I put Blizzak DM-23 On my ML63 today
11-14-2006, 07:12 PM
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I put Blizzak DM-23 On my ML63 today
I put Blizzak DM-23 On my ML63 today. Size p265/50 R20 on the original AMG wheels.
The vehicle feels like a mini van now as far as body roll etc. I was told that will go away as the tires wear a little. Can anyone verify this from experience. I can't believe the difference from the stock 40 series tires, but here in the Northeast I will need them soon.
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The vehicle feels like a mini van now as far as body roll etc. I was told that will go away as the tires wear a little. Can anyone verify this from experience. I can't believe the difference from the stock 40 series tires, but here in the Northeast I will need them soon.
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11-14-2006, 10:25 PM
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OMG! You have violated the sacred Mercedes - Pirelli covenant. How dare you put an unofficial tire on those rims. How will the dealerships feed their families if they can't gouge us on winter tire packages!
Seriously, I think that its great that you are thinking outside the box. Please keep us updated on how they perform.
Seriously, I think that its great that you are thinking outside the box. Please keep us updated on how they perform.
11-14-2006, 10:26 PM
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I put Blizzak DM-23 On my ML63 today. Size p265/50 R20 on the original AMG wheels.
The vehicle feels like a mini van now as far as body roll etc. I was told that will go away as the tires wear a little. Can anyone verify this from experience. I can't believe the difference from the stock 40 series tires, but here in the Northeast I will need them soon.
MichaelT
The vehicle feels like a mini van now as far as body roll etc. I was told that will go away as the tires wear a little. Can anyone verify this from experience. I can't believe the difference from the stock 40 series tires, but here in the Northeast I will need them soon.
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11-14-2006, 10:45 PM
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What I am trying to say here is although I am sure in snow these Blizzaks will do well. On dry pavement they totaly change my ML 63's handeling characteristics. I am told this will improve. Does anyone have any experience with this situation?
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11-14-2006, 10:52 PM
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How narrow can you go?
There was no problem fitting these to the original 20's? Interesting. The 295's that come stock would be 11.614" wide. The "recommended" size - the actual recommended is of course on a wheel that MB does not provide! - is 275, or 10.827". Your 265's are 10.443'. I believe the 20" wheel is 10" wide? So in theory even a 255 would fit, at 10.04. The stock sidewall height is 118mm (.4 x 295), and you have 132.5 mm (.5x265), so that might be a little of the effect you are feeling, too. I believe there is a Pirelli Scorpion winter that is 265-45, so that would give a ride height of 119.25, closer to stock, but fairly narrow Tirerack suggests 275-40 ( a sidewall height of 110, slightly lower than stock). My Cayenne TT recommends a drop from 255 to 235 for winter (waiting for delivery of ML 63). The weight is similar, but the CTT is certainly lower than the ML
11-14-2006, 11:35 PM
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There was no problem fitting these to the original 20's? Interesting. The 295's that come stock would be 11.614" wide. The "recommended" size - the actual recommended is of course on a wheel that MB does not provide! - is 275, or 10.827". Your 265's are 10.443'. I believe the 20" wheel is 10" wide? So in theory even a 255 would fit, at 10.04. The stock sidewall height is 118mm (.4 x 295), and you have 132.5 mm (.5x265), so that might be a little of the effect you are feeling, too. I believe there is a Pirelli Scorpion winter that is 265-45, so that would give a ride height of 119.25, closer to stock, but fairly narrow Tirerack suggests 275-40 ( a sidewall height of 110, slightly lower than stock). My Cayenne TT recommends a drop from 255 to 235 for winter (waiting for delivery of ML 63). The weight is similar, but the CTT is certainly lower than the ML
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11-15-2006, 09:35 AM
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11-15-2006, 12:51 PM
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I put snow tires on my car and I use Nokian Tyres....very good indeed. My next set I plan on getting them studded, but I am **** about snow tire traction.
11-15-2006, 02:51 PM
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That's OK, we've been wrangling with this issue for over a month. I'm in a wait and see mode myself.
11-15-2006, 03:36 PM
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It would be nice to find a set of 19 inch rims that would fit the ML 63 with a width of 9 then you could get to a 255/50 R19XL in either. The 19 inch AMG’s won’t work for this as they are 9.5 wide. I believe Les Schwab carries Nokians in the U.S.
11-15-2006, 07:40 PM
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Blizzak specs them for 7.5 to 9.5 inch wide rims. And the ML63 AMG comes with AMG 5-spoke design 10.0J x 20 standard wheels.
Hope they dont come off the rims during fast cornering...
11-15-2006, 07:59 PM
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If you want Nokian’s that will work on the stock 20’s, have the severe weather symbol but come with all season 100 k warranty the WRAWP SUV 275/40R20XL will work (http://www.nokiantires.com/en/tire_w...season=summer). If wear is not on issue and you want the best winter traction then the Hakkas will work to (http://www.nokiantires.com/en/tire_hakkasuv.aspx).
It would be nice to find a set of 19 inch rims that would fit the ML 63 with a width of 9 then you could get to a 255/50 R19XL in either. The 19 inch AMG’s won’t work for this as they are 9.5 wide. I believe Les Schwab carries Nokians in the U.S.
It would be nice to find a set of 19 inch rims that would fit the ML 63 with a width of 9 then you could get to a 255/50 R19XL in either. The 19 inch AMG’s won’t work for this as they are 9.5 wide. I believe Les Schwab carries Nokians in the U.S.
11-15-2006, 10:26 PM
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If I would like to replace my Blizzaks with an all season radial, any suggestions. The Blizzaks make my vehicle feel to sloppy. I am willing to sacrafice some snow driving for a better feel on non snowey roads.
Any suggestions of brands and size would be appreciated.
Any suggestions of brands and size would be appreciated.
11-15-2006, 11:10 PM
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As I posted above:
If you want Nokian’s that will work on the stock 20’s, have the severe weather symbol but come with all season 100 k (oops 80 K) warranty the WRAWP SUV 275/40R20XL will work (http://www.nokiantires.com/en/tire_w...season=summer).
You simply will not find a better all season. But don't take my word for it
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/hl/nokian.htm
There is a peformance downside but I suspect they would handle better than the Blizzaks. Otherwise you are looking at a second set of rims and dedicated tires.
If you want Nokian’s that will work on the stock 20’s, have the severe weather symbol but come with all season 100 k (oops 80 K) warranty the WRAWP SUV 275/40R20XL will work (http://www.nokiantires.com/en/tire_w...season=summer).
You simply will not find a better all season. But don't take my word for it
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/hl/nokian.htm
There is a peformance downside but I suspect they would handle better than the Blizzaks. Otherwise you are looking at a second set of rims and dedicated tires.
11-18-2006, 05:53 PM
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OKAY. I went back to my local tire dealer today and they claim the Blizzaks 265-50-20R's are fine and as they wear the roll feeling will go away.
According to the above posts, am I OK with this tire on te stock ML AMG 20inch wheels. The tires are speced for rims 7.5-9.5 inches and the ML rims are 10. Is that a big deal?
It seems the narrower tire 50 vs 40 is better for the snow, but is the higer profile hurting my handeling?
I would appreciate advice on this situation.
According to the above posts, am I OK with this tire on te stock ML AMG 20inch wheels. The tires are speced for rims 7.5-9.5 inches and the ML rims are 10. Is that a big deal?
It seems the narrower tire 50 vs 40 is better for the snow, but is the higer profile hurting my handeling?
I would appreciate advice on this situation.
