Chucky300

Of course you think that.

You could design so much better.

Jason B

You mean this one?

T.A

How dare they indeed Well, then we strongly disagree my friend. I honestly cannot see any trace of Passat CC or 991, and definitely not Renault. If you do however, it's fine. Simple question though, which Renault?

I just can't understand why you're stating that the rear is very unlike Mercedes. Thin, vertical rear lights wrapping around the rear is done a hundred times over before, in older Mercs.

Only 'issue' I have with this car is the freakin nomenclature being placed right under the star, which itself should be placed above the chrome line, instead of under.

Germancar1

Which car they did they copy then? Due tell.

Nothing to do with koolaid because if that was the case I'd have a SL.

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Wolfman

Since you guys keep quoting K-A I keep on seeing his stupid comments. Being active in a forum discussing products he seems to hate without anything positive to contribute. Just non-substantiated opinions. Painful.

He is just a hater, *****ing at cars that are out of his league anyway (my only opinion left at this point)

E Classy

lol @hype. that pic is funny as hell.

K-A's posts have all the key elements of a classic Nick Cage film:

absent

+1.
Based on his ownership history he is not a potential customer for ANY S-Class iteration so his opinion of them is quite irrelevant and his posts only reinforce his status as a classic case of a TROLL.....

Jason B

Didn't see this trick before:

hyperion667

where do you get these killer things?
now THAT is cool
I am one to debadge my cars, so that badge position wouldn't bug me.....but it is kind of an odd spot.....
has MB ever centered the badge on other cars in the past?

K-A

Yes,I guess to each their own. I think the car looks like a big identity crisis and I'd think the money flaunters ("you couldn't afford it, pal" ) in this thread will find it a big hit to their ego's when the front looks just like a $29K CLA Econ Car with some (IMO cheesy) swarovski crystals as the differentiator. M-B seems to be paying less attention to design and more to gimmicks, which is a "cheap" way of going about it, for lack of a better term.

And I like the W216, but the rear always looked very bland to me. The car sold very poorly even for what it is and I think that rear lacking in such presence affected it, as well the front looking like the C Class. The sides are beautiful on it though.

As for what I can "afford" to so many here who feed that negative Mercedes stereotype, who cares? It's like a case study as to how this always comes up. I can technically afford any M-B on the lot, and I'm surely younger than probably most of you. But again, who cares?

E Classy

gif sites and other boards where people just start posting the best they got... pure gold.

that pic of your 997tt reminds me of this one:

Germancar1

The previous CL sold nearly as well as the previous one did and that was after the big down turn. You don't know what you're talking about.

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K-A

AKA it sold "less" than the previous one when high end Luxury Sales are booming and M-B/BMW/Audi et al are selling more cars then ever. Next.

pmb600

I don't mind the center badge, it reminds me of this:

pmb600

Pretty neat, it looks like the robot on the door at Jabba's Palace

Germancar1

See the problem is that you aren't capable of understanding anything beyond what you make up.

Do you not grasp that NO car in this class sold more post 2007-2008 than before?

Do you really not grasp that? Do you need to see the numbers again?

Not the S-Class, 7-Series, SL, XJ or any of them sold better past 2008, do you really not get that????

The Audi A8 is the only one that sold better after 2008 than it did before because that car has always been climbing.

Do you really not get this? Are you really going to just ignore the facts and keep posting the same misinformation over and over?

NO CAR IN THE CLASS SOLD MORE POST 2008 THAN THEY DID PRIOR. WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU GET?


BMW, MB, Audi all posted sales gains for their brands, but it wasn't at the top end. Again, do you really not get this?


Do you need to see the numbers again? It has been downhill in the high-end segment for MB, BMW, Lexus every since 2008 with cars like the SL, CL, S, LS, 7-Series, XJ etc. Again, do you need to see the numbers? You want proof???


Mercedes, BMW, Audi are selling more cars at the low to middle end than ever before, not the high end. This is so easy to prove to you if you're possible of absorbing the information, you know the actual FACT/NUMBERS.


You so want to believe that Mercedes is the only brand doing less business at the high end, when in reality it is all of them. MB, BMW, Audi and Lexus. Talk about koolaid, it is your own flavor.

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K-A

The only reason none of those cars outsold themselves is due to lower priced product dilution washing out the desire to spend more dollars for what are becoming more accessible brands. Cheaper cars looking too much like the more expensive ones, etc. hurt that and lower the average price of M-B's/etc. sold.

TRUE Luxury Car sales are BOOMING. And that's where I would have placed the SL and CL, previously.

Germancar1

Typical. Now that you're argument has been blown out the water you come back with some bull**** about cheaper cars looking like more expensive ones causing sales to drop. Now this was the case at Mercedes, BMW, and Lexus? All of them? Styling and price did it, not the fact that this country went through a terrible period from 2008-2009????? Think man!

True luxury cars? What are those? Bentley?

Guess what? The numbers say you don't know what you're talking about there either.

Bentley peaked in 2007 with 3990 sales in the U.S. and yet up to last year they haven't matched that yet. 2013 was 2872 units sold.

Read it: http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/10...sa-canada.html

FACTS. What cheaper car from Bentley caused Bentley to fall and not reach their previous heights???

You don't know what you're talking about.

You're so naive and you think that just because sales are booming again, that they've passed the previous height of 2007-2008 and NONE of them have. NONE at the top end. Get out the glowing press releases and look at the actual numbers.

Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Audi are all selling more cars in the middle and bottom than ever before, not the TOP. Mercedes is no different from any other brand at the top end. YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT as it pertains to Mercedes ALONE. They ALL have suffered the same drop at the top end, except Audi. The A8 actually does better now than before, the only outlier partly due to it being a hell of a redesign in 2011. Guess that all look alike Audi lineup didn't hurt them huh?


Tell me what "true luxury car" sales are booming? FACTS PLEASE. You don't even know what is selling and what isn't. Luxury cars sales are only "booming" vs last year, not their peak. That is what you fail to understand. Nor is that FACT exlusive to Mercedes. It is all the brands operating in the high-end space, except the lone A8.


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K-A

Well, Porsche for one:

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/...xury-car-boom/

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoram...215310369.html

The Audi is a perfect case in point, in fact. As Mercedes (who benefited from being known as the "uber Luxury" of its competitors, now with a compact FWD car starting at $29K, becoming the largest product dilution having of its competitors) and the rest keep moving "down", their sales soar but their upper models get affected. More people choose the "cheaper" models therefore exclusivity suffers therefore the higher priced models become less aspirational.

Audi had such a small footprint to begin with and was always known as being more of an entry-level, compact segment maker that by now expanding at the top end (i.e opposite of M-B, BMW) they have more growth and traction to gain there, while M-B and BMW attempt to do the opposite.

Tjdehya

K-A

Oh, snap. LOL.

K-A

Honestly, the Bimmer's is even implemented much better and more fluidly as it goes inward/inside the upper portion of the hole (guess that happens when it's originated by them). M-B's looks more like an aftermarket in comparison as it just opens and goes upward like a lid.

Germancar1

Porsche is not in same group with Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Lexus and the like. Porsche is up and down over the years and their brand is also moving downwards with the new Macan, a 50-60K (to start) SUV.

I'm going to seriously ask you this? Do you not understand that luxury car sales are booming only compared to last year or the year before and not their peak? I mean do you really not understand this? I mean are you really going to sit here and keep saying the same thing over and over knowing it isn't true?

Audi's A8 is the ONLY car in the upper segment that has increased since the 2007-2008 time frame, it got redesigned in 2011 right as things recovered and it is an exceptional vehicle. BMW, Lexus, and Mercedes were all standing pat with products from 2007-2009 and those have all went DOWN since. Do you really not get this?

Now Audi has a lineup full of FWD, 4-cylinder cars but the A8 goes up in sales, seems to me that you again don't know the market or have a clue as to what you're talking about. IF having cheaper models that look like the more expensive ones than Audi would have suffered more than MB or BMW or Lexus considering the A4 looks JUST LIKE THE A8.

Audi isn't expanding at the top. There is but one A8 and the R8. Mercedes has the S, SL, SLS, and there is a convertible S Class coming along with the stretched S-Class and the new sports car, the SLC/C190. Again, you're just plain wrong and have no clue.

You first said that Mercedes' CL sold poorly because of cheaper models, then I proved to you that EVERY car in the segment (except the much newer A8, up until this year) sold less than their peak of 2008. Then you come back and say that MB, BMW, Lexus sold less at the top because of the bottom end cars looking like their more expensive cars. Yet Audi has been more guilty of this than anyone else and the A8 has done better since 2008? YOU don't know what you're talking about.

Mercedes' S-Class was new for 2007, Lexus' LS for 2007 and BMW's 7-Series for 2009, all right before or during the crash, only the A8 came out solidly after things started to recover, 2011, yet you still can't see the obvious.

You're just a blind hater man. Even the MB rear view camera is inferior to BMWs? LOL. It looks like it is the same mechanism, you know from the same supplier.

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Germancar1

You posted 2 links, BOTH of them talk about how luxury sales are booming vs LAST YEAR.

Do you even read the links you post?

Do you know what is causing luxury sales to boom?

Do you know which models in which segments are driving the increases? Hint, it isn't at the high end for Lexus, MB, Mercedes or Audi.


Clearly you don't. Also, even for Porsche, their previous peak was 2007 with 34,693 units sold in the U.S. they didn't hit that again until 2012 with 35,043.


http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/10...sa-canada.html


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cymro

To Germancar1,

I enjoy your posts, but K-A is on my ignore list. However, when you quote him, up comes his rubbish in your posts. I think you should just ignore his comments. Everybody is entitled to his or her opinion, but K-A seems to think the whole world is entitled to K-As opinion.

Please, everybody, just ignore K-A (put him on your "ignore" list) and never quote him. This thread is being contaminated thoroughly by his activities.

Thanks to all others who make this forum interesting.