JAYCL600

What were the rear-wheel numbers on the mustang dyno before you converted them, I believe the mustang dyno to be a similar "drumstlye dynomometer" that measures horsepower at the rearwheel.

xyzpl

If I want to add an intercooler later, what kind of power can i expect from the HPS kit?

Are we talking about Kleeman level? Also, do you offer upgraded pulleys for increase psi, since I would really like to add an intercooler later.

pocholin

WOW, this has been an interesting match to watch.

It is obvious that HPS and Timster can't or won't disclosure details of their issue, so why keep asking guys? Drop it, is Timster the only one problem you guys have heard of? If so, then that's good one among however many they've done.

I don't have any money to do a s/c right now, but if I did, I'd take a very close look at this system, I know many many cars that use s/c's with out intercooler or other fuel injector mods and they all run with out a problem, so not having an intercooler is not a big issue on my book. I guess the only way to find out about the intercooler would be a side to side comparison of kleeman and hps exhaust temps (exhaust from the supercharger, not from the engine).
my 2 cents

Mach430

Didn't we address the 367HP issue before when you brought it up last month? You were replied that the Euro E55 has 367 HP stock. But again, who cares what the car has stock? We are talking about superchargers here. I don't care if my car had 50hp stock, it has over 360 at the wheels now, and that is what matters!

You also mention raising the boost on a SC that would destroy a car without an intercooler? Sure you can run lean, and have detonation, but is that really how to make power? What are your a/f ratios? Also, it used to say on your website that raising the boost could result in less power, and is not the way to make more power. Also that it would void your HPS warranty. Why offer something that you don't believe in?

I have merged your new threads with this post. You can't simply start a new thread, with the EXACT same post, every time you don't like how the thread is going. You are allowed to make your commercial posts here because you are addressing questions that people bring up. Starting a new thread with the intentions to simply get people to contact you about your product is soliciting sales, and is reserved for the patrons who sponsor the board.

Thanks,

Ben

Vadim @ evosport

I am sorry HPS. I do not even know your name.

But if this is how you guys test and tune your cars by touching with your hands to see if it is OK? Do you know what the charge temperatures are on your system? Do you know how much timing advance the system runs under boost? Under part throttle?

The graph you show on your website is made on graphics programm. How about a REAL DYNO graph? How about a real Air to Fuel Graph?

If you have engineers working on your system they should know all of these parameters.

P.S. We give our Kleemann customers before and after HP/TQ along with A/F ratios.

Cory @ Kleemann

Don't 'ya just wish this site had grammer/spell check like MS Word??

Cory @ Kleemann

We make our kompressor. It's no secret that it's a twin-screw Lysholm type kompressor. The intercooler has a HUGE amount of surface area which has no measurable pressure drop across the core, again, no secret that it's an air to water unit. Why do you ask??

Lucas

HPS

Do your own homework, why do you try to sneak out all Cory U
tricks.

You say you have a super system, time will prove.

Petie

why dont you answer his questions first? you dont answer questions with questions....thats what that kid in high school did that you always wanted to slap.... :p

Cory @ Kleemann

I'm done debating with you. Let's leave it at this:

HPS is an alternative to KLEEMANN. If you want the best, be prepared to pay a premium over what is simply mediocre. Both systems will give you more power, it just depends on what you want to get for your money.

Lucas

HPS

You are all wrong, we are not comparing, because there is nothing to compare.

Compare appels to appels, not a compressor system with a hair dryer, and that's all HPS is.:o :o :o

PhucNguyen57

Why do you get attacked if you talk bad about evosport, but everyone is always down on HPS?

PhucNguyen57

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Is all of MBWorld run by evosport or just the Performance Upgrades & Tuning forum?

HPS, Why do you not advertise on MBWorld, or try to work a deal with Evosport to sell your blowers. Why would evosport limit theselves to only Kleeman. I think that is just bad for business. The all successful parts suppliers have a second source on parts. Also, why not sell both? HPS is cheaper and offers an alternative to more thrify spenders, people who want a blower for bragging rights, or those who want one one that produces less boost therefore putting less strain on the motor. That may be a larger segment of the market than people who buy Kleeman blowers. Why choose to miss out on potential sales? Kleeman would be crazy to react negatively to this kind of deal. Evosport has to be the largest installer of Kleeman blowers, they surely would not want to loose that business.

Accord

Evosport is not rude to their potential customers, nor have they blown up one of their customers AMG engine.

Mach430

The Performance forum is sponsored by evosport, but is open for all to post.

We at evosport will not sell the HPS supercharger because it does not represent what we believe to be a reliable option. We will not put our name and reputation behind any products that we would not feel comfortable installing on our own cars. One thing I've learned from working here is when Vadim says "no" he means it! If you do a search on the recent posts from Vadim regarding this, you can see the many points about the system that we would not be comfortable selling.

Accord

That couldn't be any farther from the truth. MBWorld was created as a community for Mercedes-Benz enthusiasts by Mercedes-Benz enthusiasts, it's that simple. Evosport is no different than any other company who sponsors MBWorld.

So let me get this straight, Kleemann feels threatened by HPS, so the members of MBWorld have childish behavior? That makes no sense.

Mach430

This is just another example of displacing MBWorld users reactions towards you onto us. If MBWorld was solely formed in order to sell our product, you would not be posting here...

How many examples of smokescreens and displacement are you going to reply with? As I answered in another post, if you answer the users questions, they will leave you alone. You could blow up an engine, and admit it, and they would eventually leave you alone. But constantly disguising replies and avoiding the questions asked, only makes them more curious. From a user's perspective, why not answer their questions?

Mach430

Or any other engines!!!!!

PhucNguyen57

Fair enough, engineers and mechanics can be hard headded, I would use the kleeman personally For business on the other hand, if HPS offers a warranty, make the customer verrry aware of what is happening, and if they still want it, refer them to HPS for warranty claims.

Mach430

Kleemann will soon be offering a warranty that will have a cap of $30,000, which is enough to replace an engine. Every other aftermarket warranty I have come across so far has been capped at $8,000; enough to replace the the product only. More will be posted by Kleemann as soon as everything is complete.

eurorides420

i doubt kleemann feels any competive pressure from hps...espically how they have handled this situation...i doubt anyone on this forum would buy anything from hps, they just lack....r&d for a quality product, a professional approach to their business, and the pride of standing up to their work, something you need to be successful in business. i have taken very few business classes, and know very little about how the business world works....but i could run your company with my eyes closed better than you seen to be doing...( ill send you my resume if you like )

Heres what your slogan should be...
"we are cheaper than kleemann in every way"

Denlasoul

Ben:

If I were to purchase a unit before the warranty is offered, would you extent that warranty to me? I'm just curious. I am thinking about doing a s/c, but will wait until the warranty is offered. Will there be an extra premium that I will have to pay?

Ok, I'm off to work and save bux.

Thanks

DLS

Mach430

The warranty will be purchasable through an aftermarket warranty company (to be disclosed later). New customers will have the option of paying a premium in addition to the SC fee, or going without it. Once the warranty is set up, existing users should be able to contact the same warranty company and purchase it as well. Everything will be cleared up and explained by Kleemann once it is available.

Vadim @ evosport

Oh my God! This is even worse than I thought. HPS - whatever your name is - you better quit now. Lets take apart your statement.


First of all Eaton is not a compressor, it is a positive displacement pump. Compression takes part in intake manifold, this is why it is very inefficeint. Even with 4 lbs. of boost at 60% efficiency you are going to add 60-70 degrees to the ambient temperature. This data comes doing develepment work on our dyno on Eaton SC on Jackson Racing Civic kit and Pontiac GTP. Sorry but this is a fact.
By the way 4 lbs. is hardly "heavy boost".

Hugh? This sounds like a typical marketing statement. The air is not cool - you are now pushing 150F + air into a manifold that is not designed to accept boost.

.

My friend what are talking about? DO you even know what ignition advance is? How do you tune your cars? Drive them hard until they detonate to death and then back off?

You do not model HP/TQ - you measure it. This is what dyno is for.
When you buy gasoline - there is a gallon meter on the pump, when you buy produce there is a scale at the checkout counter.
When a customer spend $10K he has every right to know what he is getting.

So how about FREE DYNO offer? Or should we dyno Timsters CLK55? He did offer.

Timster

No need to Dyno my car I had that done before and after.