Kleemann Kompressor G4
Discussion of pros and cons of Kleemann compressor
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most reliable system that has a proven track record for years
most HP
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most HP
full bolt-on system
Team of US dealers and factory subsidiary/support that is second to none
anything else needed to be said?
*flame away*
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Originally posted by Tezta
KLEEMANN's supercharger is patented right? But it wasnt the first patented supercharger on the market am i right?
KLEEMANN's supercharger is patented right? But it wasnt the first patented supercharger on the market am i right?
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Originally posted by Petie
From my understanding, certain parts of the Kleemann S/C are very advanced and patended. I would assume not the first, but now i will step back and let the experts explain....
From my understanding, certain parts of the Kleemann S/C are very advanced and patended. I would assume not the first, but now i will step back and let the experts explain....
I think this is plain an simply the best fact that kleemann SC are superior that other companies products. The Patent office doesnt bull****.
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Originally posted by Tezta
...There is no way to have a patent granted unless you have made your new product better...
...The Patent office doesnt bull****.
...There is no way to have a patent granted unless you have made your new product better...
...The Patent office doesnt bull****.
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is a c320 with a kleemann compresson jsut as fast as a c32?? just wondering...im looking at new cars and i may consider a c320 wagon with a kleemann it would be a one of a kind and maybe quick enough to beat up on some pretty quick cars.
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Question about the Kleeman Super Charger?
With out divulging any proprietary information:
How does Kleeman manage the fuel curve with the added demands of a Super Charger?
What Fuel pressure do you recommend?
How have you over come the engines natural design of a negative pressure manifold, with the positive backpressure that a Super Charger creates?
What Spark plugs do you recommend and Gap (If applies), and why?
Does the Kleeman S/C have a Boost gauge? (Standard or Optional?)
What is the recommended vehicle service with a Kleeman S/C?
Do you follow Mercedes Benz Service requirements or do you recommend more frequent service?
Thanks in advance,
Tim
With out divulging any proprietary information:
How does Kleeman manage the fuel curve with the added demands of a Super Charger?
What Fuel pressure do you recommend?
How have you over come the engines natural design of a negative pressure manifold, with the positive backpressure that a Super Charger creates?
What Spark plugs do you recommend and Gap (If applies), and why?
Does the Kleeman S/C have a Boost gauge? (Standard or Optional?)
What is the recommended vehicle service with a Kleeman S/C?
Do you follow Mercedes Benz Service requirements or do you recommend more frequent service?
Thanks in advance,
Tim
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Gosh, this is going to be interesting, direct questions to another manufacturer of superchargers. Let's see if they give direct answers. Or if they allow a 19 YO to insult the questioner.
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Originally posted by Mark Pedersen
Gosh, this is going to be interesting, direct questions to another manufacturer of superchargers. Let's see if thet give direct answers. Or if they allow a 19 YO to insult the questioner. Or if they totally ignore the questions posed. I am done with what is supposed to be the main topic of this thread. I would suggest it be shut down before we see who can pee the farthest, but I know you guys won't in the interest of being more than fair. Good luck with whatever continues of this thread - I'm done, but if you find out what marketing curriculum that PR genius graduated from let me know, I could use some help like that.
Gosh, this is going to be interesting, direct questions to another manufacturer of superchargers. Let's see if thet give direct answers. Or if they allow a 19 YO to insult the questioner. Or if they totally ignore the questions posed. I am done with what is supposed to be the main topic of this thread. I would suggest it be shut down before we see who can pee the farthest, but I know you guys won't in the interest of being more than fair. Good luck with whatever continues of this thread - I'm done, but if you find out what marketing curriculum that PR genius graduated from let me know, I could use some help like that.
Tim
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i think my father thought he was on the HPS thread, not the Kleemann thread, sorry about that....get so caught up in bashing HPS when he doesnt answer questions...you know....
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What exactly do you get for ~$20k installed?
Luke,I don't think it is a bolt on, I thought ECU is reprogrammed, and inyectors and changed as well as differencial (I might be wrong)
Luke,I don't think it is a bolt on, I thought ECU is reprogrammed, and inyectors and changed as well as differencial (I might be wrong)
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Ben:
If I were to purchase a unit before the warranty is offered, would you extent that warranty to me? I'm just curious. I am thinking about doing a s/c, but will wait until the warranty is offered. Will there be an extra premium that I will have to pay?
Ok, I'm off to work and save bux.
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If I were to purchase a unit before the warranty is offered, would you extent that warranty to me? I'm just curious. I am thinking about doing a s/c, but will wait until the warranty is offered. Will there be an extra premium that I will have to pay?
Ok, I'm off to work and save bux.
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Originally posted by Timster
Question about the Kleeman Super Charger?
With out divulging any proprietary information:
How does Kleeman manage the fuel curve with the added demands of a Super Charger?
What Fuel pressure do you recommend?
How have you over come the engines natural design of a negative pressure manifold, with the positive backpressure that a Super Charger creates?
What Spark plugs do you recommend and Gap (If applies), and why?
Does the Kleeman S/C have a Boost gauge? (Standard or Optional?)
What is the recommended vehicle service with a Kleeman S/C?
Do you follow Mercedes Benz Service requirements or do you recommend more frequent service?
Thanks in advance,
Tim
Question about the Kleeman Super Charger?
With out divulging any proprietary information:
How does Kleeman manage the fuel curve with the added demands of a Super Charger?
What Fuel pressure do you recommend?
How have you over come the engines natural design of a negative pressure manifold, with the positive backpressure that a Super Charger creates?
What Spark plugs do you recommend and Gap (If applies), and why?
Does the Kleeman S/C have a Boost gauge? (Standard or Optional?)
What is the recommended vehicle service with a Kleeman S/C?
Do you follow Mercedes Benz Service requirements or do you recommend more frequent service?
Thanks in advance,
Tim
The fuel curve on our kompressor engines is handled via a mechanical linear increase in fuel pressure based on boost pressure. Everything is set at the time of installation, and double checked after 1500 miles of operation. No need for future adjustment.
Our kompressor is an integrated unit, meaning the komrpessor, intercooler and mainifold are one unit. The factory manifold is removed and put in a box to collect dust. Our manifold uses equal length runners, and the discharge passes over the intercooler cores immediatly after it is discharged, leaving little room for pressure drops and additional heat build-up. The biggest pressure drop exsists in the air box.
The spark plugs we use are one step "colder" than the factory units.
Our kompressor system does not include a boost guage, however, you are welcome to have one installed if you would like.
We let our dealer service our demo vehicles according to the FSS, and we also add an oil change every 5000 miles. 10,000 miles between oil changes, supercharged or not, is just too long in my opinion. The only special service required is a complete check-up of the kompressor system after 1500 miles of operation. At that time, everything will be checked, from fuel pressure, to manifold vacuum at idle, to A/F ratio. Every aspect of the kompressor system will be double checked to ensure everything is in perfect order.
Don't hesitate if you have any other questions.
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This is a dyno for CLK55 before and after Kleemann Kompressor. Ignore red and blue lines prior to 110 mph, they were done at part throttle to keep rear tires from spinning on the rollers.
Stock car - green line - makes around 280HP, with addition of Kleemann Kompressor the output goes to 424HP. A 144HP gain, 51%. The other two 55's that we have dynoed have very similar numbers.
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Originally posted by HPS
Does kleemann system require a clutch mechanism to allow compressor disengagement during low boost operation?
Does kleemann system require a clutch mechanism to allow compressor disengagement during low boost operation?
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James: I like to use 17% loss. So if you take 424HP and divide it by 0.83 we get = 511HP.
Now others like to use 20-25%, in all honesty what is important is the delta - before and after and area under the curve. The sooner HP rises the faster the car is going to be.
HPS: Kleemann uses a bypass valve that opens under vacuum and closes under load.
Now others like to use 20-25%, in all honesty what is important is the delta - before and after and area under the curve. The sooner HP rises the faster the car is going to be.
HPS: Kleemann uses a bypass valve that opens under vacuum and closes under load.
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Originally posted by vadim@evosport
James: I like to use 17% loss. So if you take 424HP and divide it by 0.83 we get = 511HP.
James: I like to use 17% loss. So if you take 424HP and divide it by 0.83 we get = 511HP.
Thanks again.
