leloz

and the separate rear a/c controls!
here is a Euro W220, very aggressive looking with the work done to it!

mookie

Hey Callaway what is Thermotronic, I do not see it offered when u build a car on MBUSA

vraa

thats what i wanna know also! lol

maybe its to keep your coffee thermos heated? btw, did n e one get free stuff with their car? nothing with our SL but we got like shirts, caps, and thermos's, and a whole lotta other stuff with the lex!

Callaway

What's Thermatronic?

Well in the new W211 E Class it's the name MB give for their Digital 4-zone Activated Charcoal Climate Control, which like the new S Class gives separate rear A/C controls.

It's standard in the E500 and E55AMG but an option in the E240 and E320 models,which get "Thermatic" Climate Control without the digital readout,filter and rear digital controls.

Actually,we E Class guys do better in the A/C department than the more expensive SL model which only has dials and not a digital temperature readout on their Climate Control system!!

///MB

Just the dual exhaust on the 600 and the V12 badges. The 600 is very subtle.

MusFather

THANXS FOR THE PIXS BRO!!!!!!!!!!! Amazing car! I actually love those rims!!! very very nice!


-Musfather

internet_mafia

What's the point in owning a S600? Most people don't even use 25% of the S500's ability. Few people trully push thier car on the highway and the diference in 0-60 acceleration between the 500 and 600 is immaterial. Why pay so much for a car that looks just like its much cheaper counterparts AND gulps gas like water. Also, most of the 600's features are merely options that can be ordered on the 500.

Why doesn't mercedes just create an entirely different S class for the 600 that has tons of exclusive features. That's the only way I can justify paying $130k.

Wow S500

I totally agree with internet_mafia. Mercedes should "create an entirely different S class for the 600 that has tons of exclusive features. That's the only way I can justify paying $130k".
I would further add that this class in addition should be given distinctive features to distinguish it from the rest which will justify paying the extra bucks.

FC Corp

Oh please you guys, face it, if you had the $$ to buy the 600 you would. It's what seperates the big boys from the rest.

<that should get them all fired up!>

absent

Objectively speaking,new 600 is a tremendous value.
They are in a class of their own,no other car will give you that combo of performance,luxury and prestige.(at least until new gen.Bentley cars show up)

FC Corp

Thank you Absent.

I have had both, the 500 and now 600 and I will say the driving experience is like night and day. As for the cosmetics, no big deal, the Diablo is "Plan Jane" when it compares to the technology of the S Class but the driving experience? You must get my point.

internet_mafia

You must mean subjectively. BTW, the 500 has the same amount of luxury and prestige (the interiors are identical). Again, how often do you push the 600? Oh and since you brought it up, the 600 doesn't hold any value. And if you get more pleasure by making more frequent stops to the gas station, then so be it. The 600 is for the guy who has something to prove.

internet_mafia

How can you compare a super sports car (diablo) to a luxury car? Obviously the lambo is not going to have the ammenities of a benz, being that it has to conserve weight.

internet_mafia

If you want to seperate yourself from the small fries on the road, then why don't you get a new Bentley Anrnage T ($235k). Now that's luxury and exclusivity.

FC Corp

Simple, not a Bentley fan. I like long road trips, it is not the car for that.

FC Corp

I know that and I stated that as well. I was comparing the driving experience. The 600 is a MUCH better car on the road than the 500, despite it's somewhat exterior matches.

FInality

Why not go for a S430/S320 then? Since there really is no difference between an S320 and an S600 :o

Dont get me wrong S320 = but if you can get a S600 jump on it!

Wow S500

I think it is pathetic that one has to look at the:
1. “the front bumper and the rear lights”
2. “separate rear a/c controls!”
3. “dual exhaust on the 600 and the V12 badges”
Before one knows that it is a S600. I think the S600
should, by its mere presence, stand out by itself.
That’s prestige. If one lines up the S430, S500 and S600
without the badges, can anyone pick the S600 out of the pack
I don’t think so. Hey, the S600 is the leader of the pack and the flagship of
Mercedes it should have it’s own identity and stand out.
I have no doubt that the driving experience may be day and night but one
has to get inside and drive it before one says - OH I am driving a S600.
One should be able to say that just by looking at it and of course all the
other extra’s you get ie: the technology etc is because you paid for it.

absent

If I wanted to impress "The Great Unwashed" ,I would just buy a used Arnage for less than S600.
The big Benz is now without any competition as far as performance and luxury is concerned,you can drive it every day unlike supercars with comparable performance and you don't base it's resale value on the previous model.
Like I said,it's in a class of it's own.
And yes ,I push my cars to the limit whenever I can,look me up every morning at 4:30 -5:00 AM on I-94 commuting from Lake Forest to my warehouse in Chicago.

internet_mafia

There is a difference between the 430 and the 600. The 430 has the least attractive wood grain as standard equipment and also the leather doesn't look as nice compared to the 5 and 6. However, the 430's leather is a lot more durable than the other two. Finally, the 430 is at the bottom of the food chain when it comes to holding its value. The 600 is right behind it though! Which brings me to my point that the 500 is the value winner. You can get all the ammenities of the 600 without the depreciation and the tarriffs of ownership. Of course, the foolish, oops I mean the filthy rich don't care about value but then again, my argument was not inteneded for the minority.

benznut

Put them side by side, and I will show you which one is which. All four of the S class models. To drive the 600 for a benz enthusiast should mean more than merely showing that you have more money. It means driving a fine V12, for me. Also, the added amenities, (some of them you won't find even as options on all other models) do not hurt.

And what is the matter with all the worry about the relale values? Of course for the S600 they may drop faster than say, the 500. Becauase you are using more value in the 600 than in the 500. It is that easy to figure out. The typical S600 buyer should not care about resale value: If he has money to burn - need i say more; or, if he doesn't have money to burn, but bough t it for passion, than it is likely that he/she will keep it long enough to not care about the residuals.

internet_mafia

Your logic/theory as to why the 600 drops so much in value is a little construed. There is no "spent" value in the 600, or any car as far as that is concerned. The reason the 600 drops so much in value is because of the price of the vehicle to start with. In order to make it appealing to buy a used 600 in the secondary market, the price of a used one has to be significantly lower than the brand new. For example, if a 2003 600 costs 130K and a 2002 costs 120K, what's the incentive to buying a used one? Now, if the same 2002 costs 90K, then there is an incentive to buy one used. :o

Oh, and since you crowned yourself the Chief Designer of the S class, tell me how you would go about identifying a 430 from a 500, looking at the front alone?

absent

Economically,of course the 500 is a better value ,drops less in real $'s but in those terms a Corolla is even better value which drops insignificantly comparing to 500.
I know people who buy cars like 600 or M5's and remove the badges, they don't care about impressing anybody,they want the best possible car for their own pleasure and if they can afford it so be it.
Do you disqualify 456GT because it has the worst resale value?

absent

The more pleasure you want, the more it's gonna cost you.
Generally ,dating a Supermodel will cost you much more than some office Mouse but is it really a better value?,is sex better or more satisfying?
It's all a matter of perception.

Wow S500

I think in a way you said it. How would you know if you are dating a supermodel? Well of course by looking at her face. If both the supermodel and the office mouse faces were covered would you have known which one was the supermodel??? ( that is if the office mouse had the same physique as the supermodel - all the S’s look alike). The face identifies the supermodel does it not. We all are identified by our faces which is our identity and is a give away. This is exactly what I mean the S600 should have a face which will identify it as a supermodel and set it apart from the rest ( I hate to call the other S’s office mouse). I own a S500 and I love it and don’t get me wrong the S600 is a great car other wise no one would shell out that much of $$$$$ for the pleasure of owning it.