michobebe

Hi there, my question is simple, i want to get a s55 (or cl55) before 2003 (00-02) that doesn't come with the supercharger and want to add one to it. .Is it possible?
.what special things will I have to watch out for?
.Can it be done for s600 (00-02) ?

thanks a lot

Gondon

It will cost you more than buying a Supercharged/Turbo car and it will be slower.

Oxygen

And unreliable.

c131frdave

While I agree that it would likely cost more than buying a '03+ S55, it certainly wouldn't be slower if you do it right. It one were to shoehorn in a paxton supercharger, or a twin turbocharger setup, the car could possibly destroy a stock supercharged S55. It all depends on your wallet- or if you are a do it yourself person like myself, how much headache you're willing to endure. A supercharged S55 doesn't have a tremendous amount of boost. If one were to install dished pistons, properly machined heads with a little deeper combustion chambers, some larger fuel injectors, a fuel curve re program, and 15-20 pounds of boost on a twin turbo setup, you'd have a genuine rocket on your hands.

But the rule still applies: speed/power = $$$ I'd stick with the stock '03+ if you want a huffed engine.

michobebe

thanks for your answers guys.
.so we agree that the internal of the s55 are the same before and after 2003?
.if i were to give it to specialized people ( other than kleeman) to do a "good medium" job (not over do it, neither do a shi**y job) would I be look for a 5k$, 7k$ , 9k$ charge?
.what about turbocharging the s55/s600 would it be easier+less expensive than s/c?

c131frdave

If you could get it done by a performance shop for less than $20k, I'd be shocked. I'd bet it would be closer to $30k to get it done right (engine rebuild with new custom parts, etc.)

When performance shops see a S class coming, they think $$$. Plain and simple. They assume 2 things:

1. you have lots of disposable cash
2. you know next to nothing about cars

The only way you could do an upgrade like what you want for under $10k would be to do it yourself.

Sorry if I led you to believe otherwise.

m4xm1l10n

Bottom line!!!! forget about it and get the 03-up S600/CL600 or S55/CL55

michobebe

perfect thanks guys
conclusion:
i'll stick to 2003+ Cl/S , but still i'll give 02 s55 a chance by test driving it today to see if it could be sufficient(though i doubt)

last thing.. : what about turbo's on 55 or 600?

DrJfrmLA

I don't think we agree that the internals of the S55 are the same before and after the supercharger. At the very least, the ECM is dramatically different. I expect the compression ratio, valve timing, bottom end, and a host of other things are also different. I'm no expert on the S55, but I know a little about engines and I drive a W220--Mercedes almost surely did not just bolt a supercharger on the top of the motor and go about their business.

I can't imagine why you would want a "good medium" job of anything to do with a W220. The drive trains and electronics are very complicated and are very sensitive to things being "exactly right."

Turbocharging requires both intake and exhaust plumbing revision, so it's probably no less and likely more complicated than supercharging.

You have to remember that, unlike the "old" days, you can't just bolt on any kind of forced-air induction system to a W220 and drive away. I'm with the guys who suggest if you want a turbocharged or supercharged car, you'll be better off and money ahead to buy one that came that way. That way you won't have to wonder whether all the internal bits are up to the added stress of the blower, or whether the ECM knows what you did and is ready to deal with it. Find yourself a nice edition of a turbocharged or supercharged W220 to begin with. Then go to your banker and make sure you've got the credit to handle the maintenance and repair costs, since those costs are breathtaking.

Good luck.

michobebe

thank you for your advice, sir.
this is what I did today:
I testdrove a:
.S430 4matic 2003(275 hp)
.Cl 55 amg (2002 "pre-03") (+- 375 hp)
.and only started a Cl 55 (2003) (couldn't move the car in the lot where it was parked) (+- 495hp)
..all driven in tiptronic..

-the 430 felt really well in 1st but couldn't pull up as hard as I expected in 2nd (though logicaly in everyday's world it very good)
the cars is well equiped (selft closing doors) but lacks some stuff no venteilated seats, no pulse. its 87k on it for 19k$

-the Cl 55 2002 without supercharger bleeeew me away!! litteraly. it's not just an extra 100hp, the difference that was felt was nearl 200% in agressivity in throttle response and real neck braking. Car is in very good shape, lacks AMG exhaust (sounded ordinary) selfclosing doors. 50k for 35k$.

-the Cl 55 2003 was immaculate. no flaws @ all. trim was perfect. EVERYoption was there. AMG exhaust was amasing, even revving from 1.5krpm to 3.5 krpm felt like an earthquake. Couldn't drive it at all but i'm comming back to try it, but i might be Scared, because, without the supercharger it was hillarious to me with 375hp. how about with 495hp? I'll surely get scared. the car has 28k on it for 40k$.

what do you think of all that
ps. I want to enjoy sufficient power but live in montreal (canada) with snow 6 months/year!

MR888

Those prices sound high, there is a 2003 CL600 for $30k CAD with 47km in Toronto, 2002 CL55 with 100k going for around 20K as well, check Trader.ca.

suicidal4life

Gondon is probably right. The only real options that I see for supercharging that car are Kleemann which is 7,500 plus a couple grand more for install, or doing a factory AMG SC swap like Hooleyboy aka MBHmotorsports did with his C55 but thats probably even more money then Kleemann.

MR888

There is really no point in doing these installs considering the hassle and time and reliability... It would make sense a few years ago when the 03+s were still expensive, but nowadays the factory SC 55's and TT 600s are priced so low it really makes no sense to go down this path, unless you have a heavily modded car already which you want to add on to.

m4xm1l10n

S/CL55 01-02 N/A Has 349HP not 375 . 47 HP more than the S500 , THE 03-UP 55 N/A engine 350HP on SLK55 , 369HP ON CLK55 & C55 . THE NEW 550 NONE AMG CARS AT 382HP

m4xm1l10n

GONDON is 100% right