Belmondo

It seems that the purpose of BMW is to mae fugly cars with bogus performanc #'s.
Here is an example of what I'm talking about and what happens to those tha take BMW's performance as a given.

Here is what happend to this lucky owner of 745 when challenged by w220 S500

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums...3749131&page=1

99bmw740il

wow!! digging up old threads I raced an w220 s500 the other day while getting on the freeway and spanked his *** whats your point- s430=slow, s500=decently fast...the other s's are fast (s55, s600)

Belmondo

Exellent logic my friend, that makes new 745 =Hyundai Sonata. YOu'r driving old car, much older than an "old thread" --you probably did not even registered in the s500's rear view mirror, why would W220 race old car? S500 spanks 745 10 out of 10 times , you are of no interest to w220. Go race that clown in the W140 forum wit his s300 amg project, seems you are intosame things, ricing up old cars.

KL316

i luv MB, but i have a hard time believing that also, the guy said his car wasnt broken in yet, mayb thats y the S500 won

99bmw740il

speak english- you just off the boat? Your one dumb mother****er- my car is the last generation of the good 7series... the s500 is almost as fast as my car he was definently flooring it and I didnt "spank" him per se- but i did beat him by a half car...

oh yes- the 745=HYNDIA

i made a false analogy comparing the mercedes to a honda

Belmondo

Clown , lets see:

Author:
sk on 2003-08-15 at 15:38:59 (posted from: Host: IP: 195.229.241.166)

Subject:
BMW 745Li vs. Merc S500 Acceleration (long) (972 views) (1480 thread views)
Message:
Well I've had my 745 for around two and half months now, and really enjoying it. So two days ago, a friend of mine who owns a 2002 S500 with the full S55 AMG body kit (19" high profile tyres, AMG rims, AMG side skirts and spoilers, etc..) said he thought his S500 could beat my 745 in straight line acceleration. Knowing that my 745 can accelerate to 60mph faster than his S500 I was pretty confident of proving him wrong. So off we went to a deserted long stretch of road and did straight runs from standstill to roughly around 180km/hr (112.5mph). And to my amazing astonishment his S500 handily beat me by a car length every time, we did the run atleast 10 times and the result was the same every time. We both had our A/C's off, I selected Sports mode a couple of times and used steptronic a few times but the result was the same. And yes this was flat out acceleration all the way up to 7000 rpm. Now my 745 has only done around 2300 km (1437 miles) while his S500 has done around 13000 miles. Could it be that my engine isn't yet at optimum level of operation?? Is there any explanation anyone can offer, or is the S500 actually faster than the 745 even withstanding a 30hp deficit????

Can you unserstand this
"So off we went to a deserted long stretch of road and did straight runs from standstill to roughly around 180km/hr (112.5mph). And to my amazing astonishment his S500 handily beat me by a car length every time, we did the run atleast 10 times and the result was the same every time."
This is a far cry from you r anecdotal BS on the fly how you passed someone somewhere. S500 put 1 car lenth on 745 10 out of 10 times--- -that will be at least 2 car lenth on your old car, dude. Suck it up and live with it. YOur mentality is like your car, OLD. I'm just off the plane, not hte boat, wake up clown , its 2004 outside. Get out of your old dorky car and look around.
YOu can make a dufus out of yourself here all day long that will not change the fact that s500 beat 745 "at least" 10 out of 10 times. Like you, this 745 dude thought that he has a fast car that could beat w220 and look where he ended up.. My advice is do not try anything like it with your car--do not embarras yourself .

Belmondo

His 745 was almost 1500miles when they raced---- that is 500 miles over break in period.
HOw much break in 745 needs, do you know??
13000miles? Lets suppose that it will become faster with miles adding up, but who here can think that it will become fast enough to overcome at least 1 car lenth ?

BMW posted 0-60 in 5.9 sec----- that is obviously 100%BS.

KL316

alrite man, i was jus speculating, no need 2 get angry....

MBZman

S-500 vs. 745i
hp 302/330
Torque 339/325
Weight ?/?, I'm assuming very close
0-60 mph 6.1/5.9
Top speed 130-5?/149

It would probably be a close race. I had the pleasure of driving a 745iL/Audi A8/Lexus LS 430/MB S500 with ABC not to long ago. The fit and finish of the Audi/BWM/Lexus, especially the interior were superior to the MB, not way superior as many suggest but clearly a step above. Overall however, I felt that the MB was the best car in terms of looks, handling, comfort and performance although I am an MB guy.

For the next generation S-class I hope that MB does not go over the top as many have suggested with crazy electronic capabilities that will only cause problems. The current S class is still outselling the 7, A8 & LS which I think speaks volumes. If they keep with the traditional MB values: elegance, style, comfort, driving style splashed with up to date, not over the top, electronics and inproved materials/quality MB will have no problems.

WannaBeAMG

Belmondo stfu!

whats the point of this thread? the 2 cars a very close in acceleration. out of 10 runs i'd bet the 2 would average nearly the same times. they are both awesome machines that appeal to different people for different reasons.

Belmondo

Why dont you stfu because there is no reason to bet here or average anything , S500 was faster by a car lenth 10 out of 10 times , I dont get what you are betting here on. Clown, 10 out of 10 by a car lenth, no need to average or bet on anything. 745 owners post is self explanatory---forget about averaging and betting and go read and get a clue. The guy tried everything he had in his 745 with the same end result. Now we come to a point of this post-to 745's owner " amazing astonishment" he lost 10 out of 10 times simply because BMW put out BS numbers. 0-60 in 5.9 sec are e500 specs and 745 cant touch them -- too bad 745 owner had to learn it the had way.

I just dont want S500 owners here to think that 745 can beat them just by reading BMW's numbers.

I bet your ability to read and understand is way below average, there yo have it, wannabe.

dNA3D

Belmondo, I really do think you ought to calm yourself down. Great, the S500 won... your point being?? The 745 costs A **** LOAD cheaper too. There are A LOT of factors which could affect the outcome of the race, tires, state of engine. The fact that the 745 has merely been driven 1500 miles means although it is possible to start revving the engine really hard, it still hasn't reached its optimum condition. You try driving a 1500 mile car and the same vehicle, 3500 miles later. There will be a noticable difference.

WannaBeAMG

first off the forum thread you posted as some sort of "proof" is bullsh*t. second what is the point of your post? the 2 cars are even in acceleration despite what that post claims.

even if one is only slightly quicker than the other that in no way makes it better. i can list real sources such as instrumented, timed tests from car magazines that will show both cars to be about dead even in acceleration on average. some bogus post does not qualify as a real reference. i have seen the 745 clocked at 5.9 its not a number that was fabricated by BMW. usually they are clocked at about 6 sec to 60 mph or just above. same as the 500. they are both great cars. so just stfu.

99bmw740il

are you 15 years old- dreaming of owning a high class german car

WannaBeAMG

id bet hes closer to 13 or 14.

JBrady

First off I am a big fan of both MB and BMW. Both have strengths and weaknesses but are amazing companies never the less.

There is more than one potential reason for the outcome of this race. Here are a couple.

Driver.

Fuel quality.

A good driver can launch on his opponent and it is hard to catch a similar powered car from behind.

TRUE octane can and does vary from station to station. Just because the pump SAYs a given octane is no guarantee that that is what will actually go into your tank. WHY does this matter? Modern engines respond to fuel quality or lack of it and performance is effected.

IOW, one instance does not confirm or despute which car is POTENTIALLY the faster model. From both the statistics and the published reports it would seem to favor the 745 if only slightly. However even an OLD boring Japanese poser sedan like mine can post some surprising performance. How does 14.22 @ 99.38mph from a basically stock 1999 Lexus LS400 sound? Being that this is a MB board regarding a MB vs BMW race I will leave it at that but I do have the timeslip if any one wants it posted.

99bmw740il

BTW the guy with the 745 posted a follow up on roadfly.org- he was able to beat his friend with the benz by half a car

FInality

Doesn't matter... every single article I've read on the 745 vs the S500 the S500 always wins in terms of acceleration.

ajayz

Last time I checked, the W220 wasn't a car meant for racing. Who cares if it's .2 second faster, or even 1 second faster?

westsidewagon

An S430 would get dusted by a 745i/745Li.

But then again, the new XJR would dust them all except for the $105,000 S55 AMG, S600, and the 760Li.

99bmw740il

i beat an w220 s500 on a freeway on ramp... 40mph started at beat him by 3/4ths of a car

BryBenz

right and cheaper E55 will dust your XJR and remember jaguar=FORD

westsidewagon

The E55 AMG has less room than the Jaguar XJ. The XJ competes with the S Class and others.

The Jag's V-8 shares the block with the Lincoln V-8 but is bumped to 4.2 liters, totally revised, and then a Eaton supercharer is added. Car & Driver felt the E55 AMG was ponderous at its limits...not a good thing.

I think the previous E Class copied the Jaguar XJ. MB quality is not what it used to be. Period. The Jaguar XJ has relevant technology; it doesn't have gizmos for the sake of it.

BMW and MB don't make inviting, warm interiors. They make cold ones. Audi knows how to do it. They are all great cars though.

westsidewagon

oh ya...

remember...

Some MBs are Chryslers...or is it the other way around?

vraa

Niether, the Crossfire (I think) does have 70% R170 parts if that's what you are talking about.