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Harsh Ride!! Ideas or Suggestions??

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Harsh Ride!! Ideas or Suggestions??

Hi guys, last week I noticed that the ride on my S500 had become little harsh than usual. None of the buttons on the dashboard are pressed for the sport suspension. It feels like there is too much air in the tires or I am riding on 24's... It's not bumpy, it just feels tight and harsh. Went to the mechanic and there was a Stored Fault indicating front right accumulator. So he reset it via Das and I went for a ride but nothing changed. He said to drive it for a couple of days and see if the fault will come back. Went back today and checked again on Das but the code is not back. Actually there is no codes whatsoever. I have researched a lot the past couple of days here and I realized that they are few things that will affect the ride. Dampening Actuators, Control Valve, Body Acceleration Sensor....from what I read and after talking to the mechanic, all of those will be throwing a code. I have no codes!! Could it be that my struts are at the end of their life? Any ideas or suggestions ?? TIA
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Do you have abc or airmatic ?

I assume you have abc since only abc uses accumulators . They would be my first thing to change as they dramatically affect the ride . How old are yours ? Might be time to change them . If you have abc you might just also have minor debris in your system I would do a full abc fluid and filter flush first and see if that helps
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Sorry bud, should have clarified. It is Airmatic....
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If you press the Lift button on the dash will the car rise? If it's an AirMatic failure the car should sit visibly lower than usual.
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Yes Mike if I press the raise button it works just fine. And no I do not any leaks. Car does not drop at all.
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Usually a stiff airmatic suspension condition occurs when the rear struts extend themselves to maximum height
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I have had similar issues with my car, detailed in a recent post. While it is more of a pitch and yaw issue going over uneven pavement, the jolts transmitted to the cabin are rather sharp regardless of Airmatic setting. Like your car, mine has no loss of air pressure nor failure to rise and lower. It has to be one of two things: the hydraulic strut part of the suspension is bad, or the Airmatic control unit is going bad. Unfortunately, the majority of threads deal with a leaking Airmatic system. I hope we can get to the bottom of this soon.

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Originally Posted by TNJohn
I have had similar issues with my car, detailed in a recent post. While it is more of a pitch and yaw issue going over uneven pavement, the jolts transmitted to the cabin are rather sharp regardless of Airmatic setting. Like your car, mine has no loss of air pressure nor failure to rise and lower. It has to be one of two things: the hydraulic strut part of the suspension is bad, or the Airmatic control unit is going bad. Unfortunately, the majority of threads deal with a leaking Airmatic system. I hope we can get to the bottom of this soon.

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Hi John,
My mechanic believes that one or more of my struts just have gotten old since the car has about 100k at the moment. So yes you stand correct on the Hydraulic part of the strut failing. Also that will not set a Fault or a Code. We believe that any other electronic component will set some kind of a code or a fault. Since owning the car ( 5 years now ) I have done only one rear passenger strut. So at the moment I am leaning towards doing the front ones....
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I will make an appointment at Mercedes next month to confirm my diagnosis and have the rear Airmatic assemblies replaced. I want to stay with genuine MB assemblies as my car, at 11 years old, has nothing aftermarket and with the exception of this issue, looks and drives as new. I have a good relationship with the service advisor and their mechanics are excellent. It is my understanding that Arnott units have new air bags on old hydraulic struts. Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe the genuine MB units are all new. Let us know how your car feels after the new units are installed.

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Originally Posted by TNJohn
I will make an appointment at Mercedes next month to confirm my diagnosis and have the rear Airmatic assemblies replaced. I want to stay with genuine MB assemblies as my car, at 11 years old, has nothing aftermarket and with the exception of this issue, looks and drives as new. I have a good relationship with the service advisor and their mechanics are excellent. It is my understanding that Arnott units have new air bags on old hydraulic struts. Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe the genuine MB units are all new. Let us know how your car feels after the new units are installed.

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I definitely agree on staying with Genuine MB. My mechanic won't do any Arnott since he has had to do the job more than once with them. So he will only install Mercedes or OE Bilsteins. Now the rear one that I did few years back it was a Genuine MB but it was a Refurbished one. MB does not sell New Units anymore. They refurbished their old ones. Now the question is, what do they replace ?? I have called the dealeship and they can't give me a straight answer. Like you said, Arnott replaces just the bags and I don't want that. So it's either Refurbished MB or OE Bilsteins. Decisions decisions lol
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Another option would be to get used original struts from a lower mileage car being parted out

its unknown how long they will last but often they are good for years
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Another option would be to get used original struts from a lower mileage car being parted out

its unknown how long they will last but often they are good for years
Certainly worth consideration if the supplier knows the mileage when pulled, but if over 50,000 not worth the time and money
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I believe Arnotts replaces the core with a quality gas strut. There's no way they use used cartridges. Plus the rubber/components are supposed to be much better quality which is why they give a lifetime warranty (I believe)
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Originally Posted by cmpcpro
I believe Arnotts replaces the core with a quality gas strut. There's no way they use used cartridges. Plus the rubber/components are supposed to be much better quality which is why they give a lifetime warranty (I believe)
Thanks for the suggestion but like I said above Arnott is not an option for me. My mechanic won't touch them since like I said before he's had to do the job more than once in numerous occasions.
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Arnott Options for the W220 S-Class

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