s class v12 Vs LS v12
06-08-2006, 06:42 PM
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s class v12 Vs LS v12
Hi guys,,,,,,
how r u doing... I have a question that make a big challenge between me and my friends.
Which car is faster the nes S Class, 600 V12 or the new LS 600 V12 ??????
how r u doing... I have a question that make a big challenge between me and my friends.
Which car is faster the nes S Class, 600 V12 or the new LS 600 V12 ??????
06-08-2006, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AsianML
The new LS600 isn't a V12, is it? I didn't know there was just a LS600. I thought it was LS600hL.
http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_sh...0601_lexus_ls/
Toyota officials have been quoted claiming that the hybrid LS, which likely will be badged the LS600h, will offer performance rivaling twelve-cylinder German sedans. Them's fightin' words: Toyota might not be interested in one-upping the Germans in pure horsepower numbers, but it's clearly interested in ultimate performance.
06-08-2006, 07:37 PM
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Sorry, but read it again.
Says it'll give you the performance of a V12, but the economy of a V8 in other reviews.
Press announced that Toyota will release further technical details on the LS460 during the Geneva Motor Show in early March and will unveil a hybrid V-8 version of the car at the New York Auto Show in April. "It's the ultimate Lexus," boasts Press. Toyota officials have been quoted claiming that the hybrid LS, which likely will be badged the LS600h, will offer performance rivaling twelve-cylinder German sedans. Them's fightin' words: Toyota might not be interested in one-upping the Germans in pure horsepower numbers, but it's clearly interested in ultimate performance.
06-08-2006, 07:41 PM
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i reread it for the 5th time, i just got schooled by you... i'm bitting my tounge, last time i go to bat with you "post ******" 
edit: although i could have sworn (reason why i posted reply in the first place) that i read that exact same thing (LS600=v12) in the most recent issue of Car & Driver...i'll go back under my rock until needed...
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06-08-2006, 08:02 PM
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That's alright. Us post ****** are accustomed to reading things over and over. 
To the original poster-The King. How about this? Nothing beats an original V12. The LS600hL may be tough during acceleration, but after that certain amount of speed, you're running solely on the engine. That means V8 vs. V12. You figure out the rest.
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The Lexus 600 is expected to be either a 4.5 Liter or 5.0 Liter mated with Hybrid drive to produce the equivalen of a N/A V12 with efficiency better then most V8 engines. Hp will not be over 500 HP, nor will it be a twin turbo like the MBZ 600.
06-08-2006, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by The King
Hi guys,,,,,,
how r u doing... I have a question that make a big challenge between me and my friends.
Which car is faster the nes S Class, 600 V12 or the new LS 600 V12 ??????
how r u doing... I have a question that make a big challenge between me and my friends.
Which car is faster the nes S Class, 600 V12 or the new LS 600 V12 ??????
Maybe in some not so distant future,just not yet....
Also,for anyone complaining how intrusive the electronic nannies in MBs are,try a Toyota(or Lexus in some places where they prefer to call them)
06-09-2006, 09:51 PM
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Sorry,Toyota is not "there", yet.
Maybe in some not so distant future,just not yet....
Also,for anyone complaining how intrusive the electronic nannies in MBs are,try a Toyota(or Lexus in some places where they prefer to call them)
Maybe in some not so distant future,just not yet....
Also,for anyone complaining how intrusive the electronic nannies in MBs are,try a Toyota(or Lexus in some places where they prefer to call them)
06-10-2006, 12:39 AM
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This isn't at anyone in particular, the way I see it, if you're going to be spending $100K+ on a vehicle, WHY THE HELL WOULD WE BE WORRYING ABOUT...hmm...FUEL ECONOMY? That is hilarious...nice try Toyota/Lexus! Get the real TT-V12, why front with a wanna-be Lexus "600"? Again, 'nuff said.
06-10-2006, 11:42 AM
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Lexus claims 0-60 mph in something like 5.5 s, iirc. Which isn't even close to either twin-turbo Mercedes beast. It seems like "being faster" and "being more high-tech" are two promises might not be salient when the real car rolls around.
I point your friends to the "S-Class vs. Rolls-Royce" comparo in the June Car & Driver, that should answer most of their questions.
I point your friends to the "S-Class vs. Rolls-Royce" comparo in the June Car & Driver, that should answer most of their questions.
06-10-2006, 02:26 PM
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I think its great to use technology to improve fuel economy. This should have nothing to do with a person's income.
That said, the benefits of hybrid technology at the current state are quite overrated and mostly marketing. Based on where you live and your driving needs (stop-n-go city traffic vs. highway driving) especially larger engines may not deliver significant fuel savings.
Diesel engines on the other hand deliver more predicable energy savings across all driving situations and performing on par with gasoline engines.
Diesels are highly regarded in Europe and generally considered superior technology. Too bad that Diesels have such a bad reputation here (which is partially due to the low grade fuel available in the US)
Just my 2 cents...
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That said, the benefits of hybrid technology at the current state are quite overrated and mostly marketing. Based on where you live and your driving needs (stop-n-go city traffic vs. highway driving) especially larger engines may not deliver significant fuel savings.
Diesel engines on the other hand deliver more predicable energy savings across all driving situations and performing on par with gasoline engines.
Diesels are highly regarded in Europe and generally considered superior technology. Too bad that Diesels have such a bad reputation here (which is partially due to the low grade fuel available in the US)
Just my 2 cents...
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06-10-2006, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfman
I think its great to use technology to improve fuel economy. This should have nothing to do with a person's income.
That said, the benefits of hybrid technology at the current state are quite overrated and mostly marketing. Based on where you live and your driving needs (stop-n-go city traffic vs. highway driving) especially larger engines may not deliver significant fuel savings.
Diesel engines on the other hand deliver more predicable energy savings across all driving situations and performing on par with gasoline engines.
Diesels are highly regarded in Europe and generally considered superior technology. Too bad that Diesels have such a bad reputation here (which is partially due to the low grade fuel available in the US)
Just my 2 cents...
Wolfman
That said, the benefits of hybrid technology at the current state are quite overrated and mostly marketing. Based on where you live and your driving needs (stop-n-go city traffic vs. highway driving) especially larger engines may not deliver significant fuel savings.
Diesel engines on the other hand deliver more predicable energy savings across all driving situations and performing on par with gasoline engines.
Diesels are highly regarded in Europe and generally considered superior technology. Too bad that Diesels have such a bad reputation here (which is partially due to the low grade fuel available in the US)
Just my 2 cents...
Wolfman
As to this thread the LS600hL has a 5L V8 mated to two electronic motors to make about 430hp and it will also get to 60 mph in about 5 seconds. The hp number of 430 is projected, which might mean it may increase, but to no more than 440-450hp, that still won't get the LS600 in the same league with the S600. The S600 is 4.2 second 0-60 car by most accounts and for Lexus to match that the fuel saving potential (i.e. the whole point of making this car) would be lost. I fully expect Lexus to pitch and price this car against the S550, NOT the S600. The S600 would stomp a mutthole in the LS600hL quite easily over 500hp and nearly 600lb-ft of torque.
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06-10-2006, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Germancar1
I fully expect Lexus to pitch and price this car against the S550, NOT the S600.
06-11-2006, 02:19 AM
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The VDIM is a PITA.
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187987
"as it states in the 2006 avalon owners manual ....start the car with the parking prake on ....then foot brake twice....(keep the foot brake down)....then parking brake twice (keep it down )and repeat till skid light is on the dash.....it will reset when you restart the car"
For 2003+ Mercedes:
1. With key in position 1
2. Press trip odometer reset button 3 times
3. Go through screens and find ESP Dynometer Test
4. Set to ON
5. Start car without safety systems
1. With key in position 1
2. Press trip odometer reset button 3 times
3. Go through screens and find ESP Dynometer Test
4. Set to ON
5. Start car without safety systems
06-11-2006, 02:20 AM
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The answer to the original question is MB S600. Nuf said.
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Honestly though, the LS600h will be fantastic car.
Too bad it (just like the W221, W220) are just too big to be cool. It's not right to be driving these cars enthusiastically because there are so many other more nimbler cars that are so much more rewarding.
06-11-2006, 03:28 AM
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No way bro!
S65!
Honestly though, the LS600h will be fantastic car.
Too bad it (just like the W221, W220) are just too big to be cool. It's not right to be driving these cars enthusiastically because there are so many other more nimbler cars that are so much more rewarding.
S65!
Honestly though, the LS600h will be fantastic car.
Too bad it (just like the W221, W220) are just too big to be cool. It's not right to be driving these cars enthusiastically because there are so many other more nimbler cars that are so much more rewarding.
Open highway, windows down, and go pimping. At least that's what I use my S430 for. Haha
06-11-2006, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Braheem
Which in the end will result in exactly what Lexus is trying to achieve, a V8 car with better gas mileage then most V8s and with the power of a N/A V12 and with 0-60 times in the high 4 second range.
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