2007 S65!!!
08-17-2006, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by WSH
Missed this "chat"....but pls "bug" Mr. Allen to make sure CL63/65 have AMG leather sport steering wheel w/o the wood nonsense and w/paddles and a high-grade leather air bag cover (none of this rubber/plasticky-looking stuff lifted out of the S-Class diesel cabs from EU)...
Know at least 5 guys in Greenwich and SF getting both CL63/65 and 599 for daily commuter cars....and if MB bungles the steering wheel/paddles/leather finishes, I suspect these guys will not take deliv of their CL's and just go w/599 as the daily workhorse....after all, a CL63/65 costs roughly $50K (or more) in one-yr deprec cost....whereas, 599 costs $0.....no matter the mileage in either case....counter-intuitive oper costs, but those are the MB vs F economics in the US.....the all-important mkt where MB seeks to sell some 70% of global 65 produc and ?60%+ of global CL/S/SL63 produc......
Know at least 5 guys in Greenwich and SF getting both CL63/65 and 599 for daily commuter cars....and if MB bungles the steering wheel/paddles/leather finishes, I suspect these guys will not take deliv of their CL's and just go w/599 as the daily workhorse....after all, a CL63/65 costs roughly $50K (or more) in one-yr deprec cost....whereas, 599 costs $0.....no matter the mileage in either case....counter-intuitive oper costs, but those are the MB vs F economics in the US.....the all-important mkt where MB seeks to sell some 70% of global 65 produc and ?60%+ of global CL/S/SL63 produc......
08-17-2006, 07:50 AM
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This is interesting....
Originally Posted by whoover
He was very clear: no paddles on wood/leather steering wheels, and S65's only come with wood/leather (standard unheated or optional heated0 steering wheels. He heard that performance drivers prefer leather with paddles.
08-17-2006, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by absent
Same situation here,have orders for both too(599 december production)and if the CL65 has that wimpy "housewife" steering wheel instead of a proper sport with paddles,I'm not taking it.They want that kind of $$ from me,they better follow suit of other high line manufacturers and offer some options.
08-17-2006, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Lassiter
Would be interested to see pictures when you bring in the new fleet. 599, CL65 and Bentley Continental that is quite an outlay within a few months of one another. My friend is not able to get his 599 until later in 2007. So your Ferrari is Dec., when are the other two expected?
599 in January/February,CL65 ?(whenever they bring it here)
08-18-2006, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by absent
Same situation here,have orders for both too(599 december production)and if the CL65 has that wimpy "housewife" steering wheel instead of a proper sport with paddles,I'm not taking it.They want that kind of $$ from me,they better follow suit of other high line manufacturers and offer some options.
Hopefully, AMG understands that the US mkt, which buys prob 60% of global (rather high-margin) S/CL/SL AMGs, is increasingly populated by younger buyers who are more focused on tq/steering/chassis balance/brake pedal feel/excellent materials than the typical 600 buyer....
Gotta love competition.....F is now as reliable/comfortable for daily use as any MB/P.....however, 599 is likely far less crashworthy than a CL (or 997TT)......but given the egregious deprec costs of CL, will need to carefully consider the risk/reward trade-offs of 599 vs CL if MB bungles the CL's performance focus/quality of materials.....
08-18-2006, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sithlordabe
Did you also mention the S65 steering wheel?
Fully intend to get a new CL65/63 upon launch (and eat the $50Kish annual deprec costs for new CL/yr), unless MB botches the dynamics/interior materials.....despite constructive feedback in advance re: their S65 debacle.....
08-20-2006, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by WSH
Yes...in fact, cited the S65 wheel (or should I say a $50K more expensive "look-alike of grandpa's S600 wheel"???) as so disappointing as to cause me to write to MB re: upcoming CL in advance of launch.....
Fully intend to get a new CL65/63 upon launch (and eat the $50Kish annual deprec costs for new CL/yr), unless MB botches the dynamics/interior materials.....despite constructive feedback in advance re: their S65 debacle.....
Fully intend to get a new CL65/63 upon launch (and eat the $50Kish annual deprec costs for new CL/yr), unless MB botches the dynamics/interior materials.....despite constructive feedback in advance re: their S65 debacle.....
Please keep us posted as to any responses you may get. I'll do the same as well - although I really don't expect a response to my letter.
08-20-2006, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by sithlordabe
Did you also mention the S65 steering wheel?
They ordered all '07 S65 with wood steering wheels based on input from customers of previus gen S65(had only leather)and attendees of AMG Challenge events.
The new S63(coming soon)will have standard AMG sport steering wheel (like the CLS63)with paddles and that wheel will be available in the S65 by request when ordering the car(not a retrofit).
The upcoming CL63/65 (second half of 2007) will have same sport steering wheel standard and performance package (delimited to 186,carbon brakes,LSD,different wheels,more alcantara in the interior),available as an option from the get go.
Sadly,this option will not be available on the S models.
Hope this answers our questions above in this thread.
08-20-2006, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by absent
....The new S63(coming soon)will have standard AMG sport steering wheel (like the CLS63)with paddles and that wheel will be available in the S65 by request when ordering the car(not a retrofit)....
08-20-2006, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by absent
Talked to Rob and here is the scoop:
They ordered all '07 S65 with wood steering wheels based on input from customers of previus gen S65(had only leather)and attendees of AMG Challenge events.
The new S63(coming soon)will have standard AMG sport steering wheel (like the CLS63)with paddles and that wheel will be available in the S65 by request when ordering the car(not a retrofit).
The upcoming CL63/65 (second half of 2007) will have same sport steering wheel standard and performance package (delimited to 186,carbon brakes,LSD,different wheels,more alcantara in the interior),available as an option from the get go.
Sadly,this option will not be available on the S models.
Hope this answers our questions above in this thread.
They ordered all '07 S65 with wood steering wheels based on input from customers of previus gen S65(had only leather)and attendees of AMG Challenge events.
The new S63(coming soon)will have standard AMG sport steering wheel (like the CLS63)with paddles and that wheel will be available in the S65 by request when ordering the car(not a retrofit).
The upcoming CL63/65 (second half of 2007) will have same sport steering wheel standard and performance package (delimited to 186,carbon brakes,LSD,different wheels,more alcantara in the interior),available as an option from the get go.
Sadly,this option will not be available on the S models.
Hope this answers our questions above in this thread.
Is the CL63/65 a definitive 2H07 launch, not Spr07??? Seems like an incredible delay on a rather high-margin product....
08-20-2006, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by WSH
Absent, many thx for the detailed feedback.
Is the CL63/65 a definitive 2H07 launch, not Spr07??? Seems like an incredible delay on a rather high-margin product....
Is the CL63/65 a definitive 2H07 launch, not Spr07??? Seems like an incredible delay on a rather high-margin product....
08-21-2006, 12:50 AM
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Thanks for the info. Everything sounds good and correct IMO. The "63" models will be rolled out over the fall/winter and go on sale here next summer that is the usual Benz way. You'll have to go to Germany to experience one this year. I'd say next month's Paris autoshow will reveal all.
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