StephenK

I know the new 07 S-Classes came out early last year, when will they be started production on the 08's?

MB Fanatic

Sometime around June/July. Why?

StephenK

Just thinking that it is about time for a new addition. Out with the 01 S500 and in with a new S-Class. Even though the overall opinions have been positive on the 07's I would rather get the next model year when maybe just maybe, Mercedes will tweak out some minor things and maybe add a new goodie or two to the car.

Nevada Jack

I think it may be later in the Fall for a 2008 S550. I don't think MB wants to dilute the introduction of the 2008 C Class which is scheduled for a June/July US release. Also with sales so strong on the 2007 S they must be in no hurry to release a 2008 model.

whoover

The S63 will be released by the summer as a 2008. If the announced 030 Performance Package includes a LSD, it may imply a 2008 S65 at the same time to avoid the S63 having things the S65 doesn't. The 2008 S63 by summer is announced. The impact on the S65 is my speculation.

Update: AMG just announced the S63-030 package. It doesn't include anything not on the S65 except 186 MPH Vmax.

StephenK

I wouldn't be interested in the S550, definately going to stay with a V12, I like the power of it.

MB Fanatic

S600 or S65 Stephen?

Perhaps the S63 when it comess out could satisfy your need for speed?

StephenK

Probably the 600, when I bought the SL600 I was looking at the SL65, but for as crazy as this may sound to some people, I need the lighter interior, like the stone, I have a Jack Russell Terrier who goes with me a lot and he sheds a lot (white/brown). Back then I was told the light interior was not an option, maybe that has or will change.

srice

I have an S63 "on order" "in the system" - whatever that means. Actually, I'm told that it is an allocation hold, so that I have my place in line, once prices, option specifics, and build dates are finalized. Some specifics (colors, 030 package, other options) are listed, but can be changed once the MB ordering system has all the details and prices, and it can accept that specifics.

I am told that the S63 will be an '08 model, and mine is supposed to arrive in May. I'll believe that when I see it. If I had to put money on it, I would guess my S63, and the rest of the '08 S classes, will arrive in late July or August. I'm okay with that, since my E55 lease will be closer to the end, and will be easier to get out of.

StephenK

What is the difference with the S63 versus S65?

meegle

The exterior should be the same with the exception of different wheels. The interior on the S65 will have more standard feature which otherwise would be an option on the S63.
The most important difference will be the V12 Bi-turbo vs V8 NA.

MBZFAN55

As the 2007 S550 was an "early" 2007 model, similarly the S63 and the CL63 will be "early" 2008 models. The "63"s are currently in Europe and advancing quickly in the US with MBUSA beyond slot allocation and now accepting "optioned orders" for "specific named buyers". My guess is you will see S63/CL63 in the states by no later than late Spring. Subsequent models, i.e. like the 2008 S550 will return to more traditional Fall release dates.

Can Drive 55

About 100HP.

fusion2007

i thought it was more then that? v8 and v12. you'd think the v12 gives more then that. or is it also a v8 i cant remember?

Tree

The 6.2 L engine in the x63 cars produces around 500 HP, depending on how it's tuned. The amazing thing about it is that it is naturally aspirated. The x65's use 6 L V12 biturbo engine making about 600 HP. The 63 is newer and fancier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercede...#W221_2005.2F6

xecution

The actual breakdown goes something like this -

the S63 ( NA V8 estimated around 518 hp 448 tq)is the AMG performance version of the S550. AMG just upped it from the 55 to the 63 since the 550 is basically the old AMG 55 engine before they were using superchargers, or kompressors as the germans call them.

The S65 (biturbo V12 640hp 738 tq) is the AMG performance version of the S600
Although the S63 and S65 are both AMG models they are two differant beasts. Just as the S600 is a differant beast than the S550.

In other posts a lot of people try to compare the wrong models, you can't really compare the S63 to the S65 or for that matter the S63 to the S600. V12 cars have so much more torque and limitless power at any speed or RPM

aschb

A new model year is usally available after September (after summer holidays) in Germany and first deliveries are scheduled around 2 weeks later. That's exactly what I got on my S 600 (requested a 2007 model).

vraa

V12 + RENNtech chip = schweeeeet.

Stephen already has his SL600 chipped.

silberrosa

The reference to the 550 being the old normally aspirated AMG 55 motor is not correct. These engines (AMG 55 NA and 550) are from two completely different engine families and share little in common. The 550 is a new development which was launched in the USA on the S550. The 63 is a completely new development and is also unique from the normal V8 range.

xecution

forgive me, I didn't actually mean it was the SAME engine, but it is pretty close in terms of size and power to the 2002 S55 AMG engine, you remember, the days when the 2002 AMG model had only 355 horsepower and that was a big deal

MercedesFTW

The old AMG M113 was a SOHC set up with three valves per, also 5.4L.
The new AMG 63 is from the ground up an AMG engine, the M113 was just modified by AMG.

The new 550 is also a brand new engine from Merc themselves, high tech stuff, with DOHC and four valves so a much more efficient breathing engine.

silberrosa

Yes, it is something how 300+ hp used to be considered a lot. Now many V6 mills have this power and 400 will soon be the bogey for a good V8. Amazing really. I think this ends at some point thanks to the CO2 legislation in Europe so I will enjoy the "good old days" while there still here.

xecution

But the fact is the base model S550 is now more powerful than the older ( well 5-6 years isn't that long ago) AMG models. so obviously AMG had to also up the the power and performance of their newer engines.

Germancar1

Yep 400hp will be the next benchmark for standard engines in this class. First it was 300, but everyone except Jaguar has passed that now. Mercedes, being Mercedes sits at the top of the heap right now with 382hp, but look for the next BMW 7-Series to have a 400hp turbocharged/direct-injection 4.8L V8. The S-Class facelift will follow with at least 420hp from the same 5.5L V8 as today, but with direct injection and other tricks.

M