Twin turbo V8 in S550/S500
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Twin turbo V8 in S550/S500
Is Germany getting the 4.7l V8 TT in the S500 in 2011? Select S500 to see technical data, 320kW and 700nM.
http://www.mercedes-benz.de/content/...ical_data.html
What engine is in the US 2011 s550? Or are we getting the new engine as an early release 2012 model?
http://www.mercedes-benz.de/content/...ical_data.html
What engine is in the US 2011 s550? Or are we getting the new engine as an early release 2012 model?
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Biturbo V8, in US, in 2011 cars (according to Autoblog).
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/19/m...rbo-v8-models/
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/19/m...rbo-v8-models/
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Biturbo V8, in US, in 2011 cars (according to Autoblog).
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/19/m...rbo-v8-models/
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/19/m...rbo-v8-models/
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Guys, this is not freakin hard. Go to the website, a dealership, your local K mart. They all list the same 382hp motor for the US in the current 2011 model year. This is not rocket science, the cars are on the road for Pete's sake...
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2011 S550 are already in stock at most US dealers.
No changes in powertrain until 2012 model year.
No changes in powertrain until 2012 model year.
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Here's a S500 V8 TT road test in Europe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC7VxFJE128
Let's see when MB brings it over to the US in 2011. Timing is great as the lease on our 08 S550 runs out in 2011.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC7VxFJE128
Let's see when MB brings it over to the US in 2011. Timing is great as the lease on our 08 S550 runs out in 2011.
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That new engine is a great piece of engineering to be sure, even if the mandates requiring its production (CO2 reductions) are nonsense. Hopefully some of the other euro enviro features like start/stop, and this on/off oil pump - don't make the US market. Between this new engine, and the crashing US dollar, the 2012 S has got to go significantly up in price.
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Crashing US dollar? I take it you don't follow the currencies much.
I doubt the price will go up significantly, if at all; the new engine is a must to compete with the other brands, it is not something that commands an additional premium.
I doubt the price will go up significantly, if at all; the new engine is a must to compete with the other brands, it is not something that commands an additional premium.
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That new engine is a great piece of engineering to be sure, even if the mandates requiring its production (CO2 reductions) are nonsense. Hopefully some of the other euro enviro features like start/stop, and this on/off oil pump - don't make the US market. Between this new engine, and the crashing US dollar, the 2012 S has got to go significantly up in price.
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Here's a S500 V8 TT road test in Europe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC7VxFJE128
Let's see when MB brings it over to the US in 2011. Timing is great as the lease on our 08 S550 runs out in 2011.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC7VxFJE128
Let's see when MB brings it over to the US in 2011. Timing is great as the lease on our 08 S550 runs out in 2011.
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I guarantee you that start/stop will be able to be turned off on US cars, because its not credited as part of the EPA mpg test anyway. US buyers don't want a car that stops at a light, too many of them will panic and think the car has stalled.
We are talking about the 2012 model here, still won't come out for a year, the dollar will be weaker by then because of the Fed QE2.
Really, they need a model below the S550 now (not the hybrid, no one wants those either). This 2012 car has too much HP for the typical US buyers of the S. They need a biturbo V6 making around 350HP, providing a lower cost entry point for the S and a higher MPG car as well. Similar to what Porsche has done with the Panamera.
We are talking about the 2012 model here, still won't come out for a year, the dollar will be weaker by then because of the Fed QE2.
Really, they need a model below the S550 now (not the hybrid, no one wants those either). This 2012 car has too much HP for the typical US buyers of the S. They need a biturbo V6 making around 350HP, providing a lower cost entry point for the S and a higher MPG car as well. Similar to what Porsche has done with the Panamera.
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Dollar will be weaker than what? I would actually expect euro to be much weaker than the dollar due to a whole myriad of socioeconomic factors and fiscal pressures. QE2 is a drop in the ocean compared to the chain of European "bailouts," mainly smoke and mirrors; think of the balance sheet that will need to be to unwound and what effects that will have.
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Update from Edmunds Inside Line:
"2011 Mercedes-Benz S-Class: There will be a few minor changes to the S-Class lineup for the 2011 model year. In November, the S63 AMG model will switch over to a new 5.5-liter, twin-turbo V8 that develops 563 hp. The V12 S65 AMG model will also get upgraded to produce 621 hp. Later in 2011, an all-wheel-drive S350 Bluetec diesel model will join the lineup. It will be powered by a V6 producing 241 hp and 469 pound-feet of torque.
2014 Mercedes-Benz S-Class: The next-generation S-Class is scheduled to arrive in 2013. In addition to the expected styling changes, Mercedes is considering an all-hybrid lineup. The idea was floated to dealers recently to a lukewarm response, so Mercedes may scale back the plan to include some traditional engines as well."
"2011 Mercedes-Benz S-Class: There will be a few minor changes to the S-Class lineup for the 2011 model year. In November, the S63 AMG model will switch over to a new 5.5-liter, twin-turbo V8 that develops 563 hp. The V12 S65 AMG model will also get upgraded to produce 621 hp. Later in 2011, an all-wheel-drive S350 Bluetec diesel model will join the lineup. It will be powered by a V6 producing 241 hp and 469 pound-feet of torque.
2014 Mercedes-Benz S-Class: The next-generation S-Class is scheduled to arrive in 2013. In addition to the expected styling changes, Mercedes is considering an all-hybrid lineup. The idea was floated to dealers recently to a lukewarm response, so Mercedes may scale back the plan to include some traditional engines as well."
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Update from Edmunds Inside Line:
"2011 Mercedes-Benz S-Class: There will be a few minor changes to the S-Class lineup for the 2011 model year. In November, the S63 AMG model will switch over to a new 5.5-liter, twin-turbo V8 that develops 563 hp. The V12 S65 AMG model will also get upgraded to produce 621 hp. Later in 2011, an all-wheel-drive S350 Bluetec diesel model will join the lineup. It will be powered by a V6 producing 241 hp and 469 pound-feet of torque.
2014 Mercedes-Benz S-Class: The next-generation S-Class is scheduled to arrive in 2013. In addition to the expected styling changes, Mercedes is considering an all-hybrid lineup. The idea was floated to dealers recently to a lukewarm response, so Mercedes may scale back the plan to include some traditional engines as well."
"2011 Mercedes-Benz S-Class: There will be a few minor changes to the S-Class lineup for the 2011 model year. In November, the S63 AMG model will switch over to a new 5.5-liter, twin-turbo V8 that develops 563 hp. The V12 S65 AMG model will also get upgraded to produce 621 hp. Later in 2011, an all-wheel-drive S350 Bluetec diesel model will join the lineup. It will be powered by a V6 producing 241 hp and 469 pound-feet of torque.
2014 Mercedes-Benz S-Class: The next-generation S-Class is scheduled to arrive in 2013. In addition to the expected styling changes, Mercedes is considering an all-hybrid lineup. The idea was floated to dealers recently to a lukewarm response, so Mercedes may scale back the plan to include some traditional engines as well."
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Porsche allows disabling of start/stop, its meaningless for the US market. Hopefully MB knows their US buyers well enough to understand - although when I read about ideas for an "all hybrid lineup" for the S, I wonder about that. If MB ever did that for the S, 7 series/Panamera/even the Jag XJ sales - would go way up.
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They can't be this crazy - don't they see that the S400 doesn't sell? Buyers in this segment do not want hybrids, period. They would be far better off putting a biturbo 6 cylinder in the S in the 350-375HP range, price it a little lower then the S550, it would sell well enough and provide better mileage towards the fleet average.
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They can't be this crazy - don't they see that the S400 doesn't sell? Buyers in this segment do not want hybrids, period. They would be far better off putting a biturbo 6 cylinder in the S in the 350-375HP range, price it a little lower then the S550, it would sell well enough and provide better mileage towards the fleet average.
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At least in Los Angeles the market has spoken on the S400 and they are very rare. It doesn't help that the cars are only 2k apart. For that you get 8%-20% better fuel economy (and much lower emissions). You also get a car thats 25% slower to 60mph; more so slower at highway speeds. It doesn't help that the MB 3.5L is a non competitive engine. For example the Lexus V6 produces 306hp vs. 268hp for the MB while returning 2 more mpg on the highway (IS vs. C-Class).
So for the S400 to make more sense they need to start by delivering a competitive V6 and then either move it down in price or achieve better MPG gains versus the V8 at the current price. Start-Stop technology would be a good start. Perhaps a full hybrid system instead of this mild system which was co-developed with GM (,Chrysler and BMW) of all companies. It's the 2-mode system we see in GM cars hooked up to Li-Ion batteries. It's also received some poor reviews for being too jarring in its mode switches.
So for the S400 to make more sense they need to start by delivering a competitive V6 and then either move it down in price or achieve better MPG gains versus the V8 at the current price. Start-Stop technology would be a good start. Perhaps a full hybrid system instead of this mild system which was co-developed with GM (,Chrysler and BMW) of all companies. It's the 2-mode system we see in GM cars hooked up to Li-Ion batteries. It's also received some poor reviews for being too jarring in its mode switches.
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I would opt for a diesel before I ever punished myself with an S400. BMW is making some diesel cars that are nearly as fast as the turbo 6 yet get 35+ mpg. MB has to go a little further with their tech, but I would accept driving one over the 400 any day...
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I guarantee you that start/stop will be able to be turned off on US cars, because its not credited as part of the EPA mpg test anyway. US buyers don't want a car that stops at a light, too many of them will panic and think the car has stalled.
We are talking about the 2012 model here, still won't come out for a year, the dollar will be weaker by then because of the Fed QE2.
Really, they need a model below the S550 now (not the hybrid, no one wants those either). This 2012 car has too much HP for the typical US buyers of the S. They need a biturbo V6 making around 350HP, providing a lower cost entry point for the S and a higher MPG car as well. Similar to what Porsche has done with the Panamera.
We are talking about the 2012 model here, still won't come out for a year, the dollar will be weaker by then because of the Fed QE2.
Really, they need a model below the S550 now (not the hybrid, no one wants those either). This 2012 car has too much HP for the typical US buyers of the S. They need a biturbo V6 making around 350HP, providing a lower cost entry point for the S and a higher MPG car as well. Similar to what Porsche has done with the Panamera.
At least that's the way in the new S63 and I doubt they would make it different for the S550.
As far as $ is concerned only time will show and with Euro Union bailout of Ireland Banks (and soon Spain,Portugal,Italy),all bets are off....
