Hit ice under snow on a turn - wheel hit the curb parallel and bent in (pictures)
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Truer words......
We drive in "winter" conditions for up to seven months of the year. You learn real quick when to drive and when not to. First consideration: is your vehicle road worthy for the conditions? Second: are you? If the answer to either is no, don't drive.
We drive in "winter" conditions for up to seven months of the year. You learn real quick when to drive and when not to. First consideration: is your vehicle road worthy for the conditions? Second: are you? If the answer to either is no, don't drive.
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Just a side note on your tires: if they weren't marked with either "M&S" or the "Snow Flake/Mountain" they are not really winter tires. All-season tires are not made to be used in temperatures less than 7*C, the compounds in the rubber are too hard, they do not grip like winter tires do.
You said your tires were "almost new". How new? Do you know that new tires need about 200 miles to properly break-in? During that time they will have less traction than normal. 200 miles is an estimate, it may take longer, depending on how you drive.
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Hey Surge - my bad. I should have been more specific in the use of all-season tires. You are correct, of course, that all-season can be used below 7C. But, there are better choices. The following is an excerpt from Autos.ca:
I asked a tire engineer with one of the tire companies what the best winter tire on the market would be. He answered me honestly, saying that probably the newest tire on the market would likely be the best. He based this on the rapid changes in rubber and tire technology. Newer tires simply have newer technology, but no matter what you choose, any winter-specific tire will outperform even the best all-season tires when temperatures drop.
I asked a tire engineer with one of the tire companies what the best winter tire on the market would be. He answered me honestly, saying that probably the newest tire on the market would likely be the best. He based this on the rapid changes in rubber and tire technology. Newer tires simply have newer technology, but no matter what you choose, any winter-specific tire will outperform even the best all-season tires when temperatures drop.
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Even snow tires do not have great traction sidewise on the ice.
Also modern cars have weak hardware design to save weight for gas and protect structure
My other car got same hit but only damaged wheels, not suspension or structure.
Also modern cars have weak hardware design to save weight for gas and protect structure
My other car got same hit but only damaged wheels, not suspension or structure.
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This is odd - was ESP off?
Otherwise, I think the tires were too new and not yet broken in.
A soft right at 10-15mph lead the car to spin or slide sideways until it hit the opposite curb?!
Either esp wasn't working or those tires were really new.
Otherwise, I think the tires were too new and not yet broken in.
A soft right at 10-15mph lead the car to spin or slide sideways until it hit the opposite curb?!
Either esp wasn't working or those tires were really new.
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Slide laterally/sideways? At 10mph? with AWD?
I live in Toronto, so I know snow & ice driving…
I have never seen or heard of that.
Not with good snows and working ESP/traction control.
Maybe the OP was going a lot faster than 10-15 mph.
I live in Toronto, so I know snow & ice driving…
I have never seen or heard of that.
Not with good snows and working ESP/traction control.
Maybe the OP was going a lot faster than 10-15 mph.
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Even the tow truck driver started to lose control when he was coming to tow my car. It was just a bad patch of ice right under the snow.
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tires were about 6 months old, maybe 3000 miles on them.. I did not turn ESP off.
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This is easily believable. I don't care what car you are in, on ICE and with a car as heavy as that, it's like a heavy metal safe on rollers. I've been in situations like this in 4wd vehicles. Ice is ice, doesn't matter how slow you are going.
Is the car fixed? IS is back to normal?
Is the car fixed? IS is back to normal?
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Not really - because it is 4matic. So ALL FOUR wheels must have been on ice, and not just ice, but with a similar coefficient of friction, so that none even one wheel had grip.
Driving in Canada for almost 25 years, I have to say this has Never happened to me, and most of those 25 years have been with 2WD cars.
Driving in Canada for almost 25 years, I have to say this has Never happened to me, and most of those 25 years have been with 2WD cars.
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Not really - because it is 4matic. So ALL FOUR wheels must have been on ice, and not just ice, but with a similar coefficient of friction, so that none even one wheel had grip.
Driving in Canada for almost 25 years, I have to say this has Never happened to me, and most of those 25 years have been with 2WD cars.
Driving in Canada for almost 25 years, I have to say this has Never happened to me, and most of those 25 years have been with 2WD cars.
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This is easily believable. I don't care what car you are in, on ICE and with a car as heavy as that, it's like a heavy metal safe on rollers. I've been in situations like this in 4wd vehicles. Ice is ice, doesn't matter how slow you are going.
Is the car fixed? IS is back to normal?
Is the car fixed? IS is back to normal?
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Car is fixed, 100% back to normal. Luckily not as bad as I thought, all they had to do was replace the strut and a few components in the wheel area. No damage to suspension or drivetrain or 4matic system. Biggest cost honestly was replacing the amg rims. No work done in the body shop, everything was done in the service department.
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Jatt...I would take to another shop for peice of mind. I had an accident where they supposedly fixed everything on a E430. It didn't feel right after a couple of weeks. I took to another reputable Mercedes body shop. They showed me where the frame didnt fit on their rack. It wasn't off by much, but enough for my insurance company(Geico at that time) to completely write the car off.
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You can slide on ice at very low speeds, especially when in turns, one thing to do is if you can make those turns as wide as you can. So that you can avoid the suspension moving the body of the car in a way that moves the Cg into an area where the rear or front wheels don't have enough weight on them for an instant and then you can easily slide if that happens.
Gee I hope this run-on diatribe makes sense to everyone
Gee I hope this run-on diatribe makes sense to everyone
