Drove The BMW 640i/650i Coupe & Vert
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You know, you are in that phase where one is really excited and goes thru the build your own site many times 
and searches for photos all over the internet for the combinations etc
That is emotion right there, so basically you are locked in, so no matter what others say to you it will not sway you off of that purchase.
Why are you choosing the 640i instead of the 650i and why not a gran coupe?
and searches for photos all over the internet for the combinations etc That is emotion right there, so basically you are locked in, so no matter what others say to you it will not sway you off of that purchase.
Why are you choosing the 640i instead of the 650i and why not a gran coupe?
I'm down to one kid at home so the need for a sedan has finally passed (otherwise I'd keep the S)
There's a $10k premium 650 vs 640. Drove both and decided the 10 would be better spent on upgraded interior and the B&O audio. I want an MSRP below $100k. 640 had plenty of scoot.
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Yeah, that makes a huge difference. That makes it only 80% as douchey. But I'm awarding you the other 20% as a bonus for having such a short memory.
If you're implying I started the thread to denigrate the S Class and "bait" owners I suggest you read it again. I started the thread to share, as objectively as possible, one S Class owners take-away having experienced a different car.
You and Dave decided to stir the pot, which is fine, but in the future if you two numb-nuts decide to double team me in my own thread I suggest you hire some writers.
If you're implying I started the thread to denigrate the S Class and "bait" owners I suggest you read it again. I started the thread to share, as objectively as possible, one S Class owners take-away having experienced a different car.
You and Dave decided to stir the pot, which is fine, but in the future if you two numb-nuts decide to double team me in my own thread I suggest you hire some writers.
Damn! your a sensitive troll.... No edit necessary here.
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I'm down to one kid at home so the need for a sedan has finally passed (otherwise I'd keep the S)
There's a $10k premium 650 vs 640. Drove both and decided the 10 would be better spent on upgraded interior and the B&O audio. I want an MSRP below $100k. 640 had plenty of scoot.
There's a $10k premium 650 vs 640. Drove both and decided the 10 would be better spent on upgraded interior and the B&O audio. I want an MSRP below $100k. 640 had plenty of scoot.
Yes, it has plenty, even thou your current car is faster, it is not at the top of your list nowadays.
Any chance you have researched reliability for the 640i?
Now that are you letting go of your W221, what is your assessment of that car now in retrospective?
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All I'm saying, and I'm not trying to be hurtful or insulting in any way, is that you and Dave are not especially adept at handling the blow-back from flaming. You tend to get all upset and lash out in a way that's ineffective and weak.
I'm not saying you aren't good people, or that you don't serve some vital purpose in society, I'm just saying maybe you guys should more just read and enjoy the threads and maybe resist the urge to comment so much, especially if it's to start trouble:
Actually, those two comments do seem a little troll-like to me, now that you mention it.
Look, I'm sure there are plenty things you're good at that I'm not. Just from reading your posts I'm going to guess "competitive eating" and/or bowling.
I'm not saying you aren't good people, or that you don't serve some vital purpose in society, I'm just saying maybe you guys should more just read and enjoy the threads and maybe resist the urge to comment so much, especially if it's to start trouble:
Look, I'm sure there are plenty things you're good at that I'm not. Just from reading your posts I'm going to guess "competitive eating" and/or bowling.
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All I'm saying, and I'm not trying to be hurtful or insulting in any way, is that you and Dave are not especially adept at handling the blow-back from flaming. You tend to get all upset and lash out in a way that's ineffective and weak.
I'm not saying you aren't good people, or that you don't serve some vital purpose in society, I'm just saying maybe you guys should more just read and enjoy the threads and maybe resist the urge to comment so much, especially if it's to start trouble:
Actually, those two comments do seem a little troll-like to me, now that you mention it.
Look, I'm sure there are plenty things you're good at that I'm not. Just from reading your posts I'm going to guess "competitive eating" and/or bowling.
I'm not saying you aren't good people, or that you don't serve some vital purpose in society, I'm just saying maybe you guys should more just read and enjoy the threads and maybe resist the urge to comment so much, especially if it's to start trouble:
Actually, those two comments do seem a little troll-like to me, now that you mention it.
Look, I'm sure there are plenty things you're good at that I'm not. Just from reading your posts I'm going to guess "competitive eating" and/or bowling.
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Having driven S Class for the past eight years I don't hold out a lot of hope for any high end German car in terms of reliability. It does appear the 640 is a little better than the TTV8 in the 650, which I guess has some oil consumption issues. Brand new helps, and the fact it's a lease and I'll be out of it before the warranty ends.
My impression of the S is that it's a first rate large German sedan, a great family hauler and phenomenally comfortable as a long distance car. It's very expensive both to own and maintain, and it depreciates like a rock. I'm not crazy about the direction MB went with the 222, and I've now owned two 220's and the 221 so I'd say my S Class phase has run its course.
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All I said was that the front end of the 640i is ugly and look like a laughing hyena. That's the way I see it. I'm not sure how that gets me into troll territory.
If you want to spend $100k on a new 640i, go for it. You're the one who has to live with it....along with the massive depreciation of buying a new expensive German car. If you don't like the opinions of other MB forum members about your potential purchase, then I'd suggest keeping what you want to buy private. You put it out in a public non BMW forum. Did you expect everybody to agree that it's a beautiful car?
If you want to spend $100k on a new 640i, go for it. You're the one who has to live with it....along with the massive depreciation of buying a new expensive German car. If you don't like the opinions of other MB forum members about your potential purchase, then I'd suggest keeping what you want to buy private. You put it out in a public non BMW forum. Did you expect everybody to agree that it's a beautiful car?
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Classic troll talk.....Reading your post I'm guessing you sit in front a computer all day cruising the forums while you are at home "working" out of the home office. Relax, I don't take it seriously. You, on the other hand, seem to live for it. And who else besides us, is going to provide the entertainment for this forum?
BTW, the home office could use some new lingerie. Quit being so damn cheap. It's a tax write off for Christ's sake.
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I believe the 640i has a zero-60 of 4.4/12.8 vs the NA S550 5.2/13, but it's not a performance play for me. I'm looking for a fun, comfortable, balanced GT that doesn't break the bank. And I love the way the new 6 series looks. I always do a double take when I see one on the road.
Having driven S Class for the past eight years I don't hold out a lot of hope for any high end German car in terms of reliability. It does appear the 640 is a little better than the TTV8 in the 650, which I guess has some oil consumption issues. Brand new helps, and the fact it's a lease and I'll be out of it before the warranty ends.
My impression of the S is that it's a first rate large German sedan, a great family hauler and phenomenally comfortable as a long distance car. It's very expensive both to own and maintain, and it depreciates like a rock. I'm not crazy about the direction MB went with the 222, and I've now owned two 220's and the 221 so I'd say my S Class phase has run its course.
Having driven S Class for the past eight years I don't hold out a lot of hope for any high end German car in terms of reliability. It does appear the 640 is a little better than the TTV8 in the 650, which I guess has some oil consumption issues. Brand new helps, and the fact it's a lease and I'll be out of it before the warranty ends.
My impression of the S is that it's a first rate large German sedan, a great family hauler and phenomenally comfortable as a long distance car. It's very expensive both to own and maintain, and it depreciates like a rock. I'm not crazy about the direction MB went with the 222, and I've now owned two 220's and the 221 so I'd say my S Class phase has run its course.
Actually, the 4.4 /12.8 are 650i coupes numbers, not 640i. Just an FYI.
And by me saying the S550 is faster, is because it has a higher trap speed that the 640i (thou not in terms of top speeds) In terms of quickness they both accelerate so close, that is why I did not mention it.
But, as I already knew, is of no utmost importance for you.
I asked the reliability question mainly for knowledge purposes, but I knew you were getting into a new car with warranty
The S class is a highly relevant and historical vehicle indeed.
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You're going to be in for a huge let-down if you buy that car and think it's that quick. Zero to 60 in the 640i is in the 5.3 range with quarter mile times around 13.8, right in line with your S550. Your quotes are for the 650i.
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All I said was that the front end of the 640i is ugly and look like a laughing hyena. That's the way I see it. I'm not sure how that gets me into troll territory.
If you want to spend $100k on a new 640i, go for it. You're the one who has to live with it....along with the massive depreciation of buying a new expensive German car. If you don't like the opinions of other MB forum members about your potential purchase, then I'd suggest keeping what you want to buy private. You put it out in a public non BMW forum. Did you expect everybody to agree that it's a beautiful car?
If you want to spend $100k on a new 640i, go for it. You're the one who has to live with it....along with the massive depreciation of buying a new expensive German car. If you don't like the opinions of other MB forum members about your potential purchase, then I'd suggest keeping what you want to buy private. You put it out in a public non BMW forum. Did you expect everybody to agree that it's a beautiful car?
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Sorry Bud, spent some time making a few birdies....and bogies of course out on the golf course today. It looks like I missed a lot of fun here today.
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I know when I opened it up the 640 went fast enough, and sounded pretty good getting there, too. The 650 pulled stronger and also sounded good, but not $10k worth of good. The dealer has a holdover 2014 M6 that he offered to cut his throat on on the spot but the car had no appeal to me. A couple of weeks ago I drove a P85D that was super-car quick (maybe 3.3 sec 0-60) and I felt nothing that made me want that car.
Just looking for a nice, comfortable luxury coupe with modern tech and a great look. S550 performance numbers are fine. I was leaning toward the Jag XK but the 640 makes it look ancient to me now.
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Actually, the 4.4 /12.8 are 650i coupes numbers, not 640i. Just an FYI.
And by me saying the S550 is faster, is because it has a higher trap speed that the 640i (thou not in terms of top speeds) In terms of quickness they both accelerate so close, that is why I did not mention it.
But, as I already knew, is of no utmost importance for you.
I asked the reliability question mainly for knowledge purposes, but I knew you were getting into a new car with warranty
The S class is a highly relevant and historical vehicle indeed.
And by me saying the S550 is faster, is because it has a higher trap speed that the 640i (thou not in terms of top speeds) In terms of quickness they both accelerate so close, that is why I did not mention it.
But, as I already knew, is of no utmost importance for you.
I asked the reliability question mainly for knowledge purposes, but I knew you were getting into a new car with warranty
The S class is a highly relevant and historical vehicle indeed.
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I don't know how quick it was by the numbers (obviously). That kind of dick-swinging gets old pretty quick. I've owned performance cars and getting challenged to race at every light by kids in Mustangs wears thin.
I know when I opened it up the 640 went fast enough, and sounded pretty good getting there, too. The 650 pulled stronger and also sounded good, but not $10k worth of good. The dealer has a holdover 2014 M6 that he offered to cut his throat on on the spot but the car had no appeal to me.
Just looking for a nice, comfortable luxury coupe with modern tech and a great look. S550 performance numbers are fine. I was leaning toward the Jag XK but the 640 makes it look ancient to me now.
I know when I opened it up the 640 went fast enough, and sounded pretty good getting there, too. The 650 pulled stronger and also sounded good, but not $10k worth of good. The dealer has a holdover 2014 M6 that he offered to cut his throat on on the spot but the car had no appeal to me.
Just looking for a nice, comfortable luxury coupe with modern tech and a great look. S550 performance numbers are fine. I was leaning toward the Jag XK but the 640 makes it look ancient to me now.
Don´t worry, you are just gonna get beat by 4 cylinder Mustangs
j/kWonder what kind of discount they offered you for that leftover M6?
Talking about Jaguars, what about the awesome F-type coupe?
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Well I haven't stroked the check yet so if you have some insight into the car I'd be open to hearing it. I can handle the occasional dealer visit for stuff that breaks...it seems inevitable. Now, getting left stranded or fighting with the mfr over covered repairs or seeing endless TSBs is a different story. Whadda ya got?
Well, that is why I asked, to see if you had researched and knew what you were getting into. Sorry.
I´ve heard about the TTV8 issues, but you know them too.
Those turbo sixes were known for fuel pumps issues and the like, even up to the N55 engine, but haven´t caught up to what is going on with the 6 series.
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Mike,
Have you spent much time on the BMW forums? What are they saying about the car? I have not so I can't help here. I am guessing you have but if not, probably worth the look.
Have you spent much time on the BMW forums? What are they saying about the car? I have not so I can't help here. I am guessing you have but if not, probably worth the look.
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Love the look of the small Jag but it's too small, and the styling is a little much for a guy in his 50's. Unless he has a second wife in her 30's.
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You know what I was thinking is maybe buy a new car and just ignore the whole idea that forums exist for once. Doesn't that sound like a nice break? But yeah, I've poked around some Bimmer forums. I just really don't want to get into another forum I feel like I need to stay current on. Just want to park the thing in the garage at night and forget about it.
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Studies have shown that BMW drivers are the biggest a$$holes on the road (along with Prius drivers), so I think you'd feel right at home in one of those.
http://www.kcconfidential.com/2013/0...biggest-jerks/
I didn't want to ruin my reputation of being Mr. Nice Guy, so I sold my Bimmer after only 17 months.
http://www.kcconfidential.com/2013/0...biggest-jerks/
I didn't want to ruin my reputation of being Mr. Nice Guy, so I sold my Bimmer after only 17 months.
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You know what I was thinking is maybe buy a new car and just ignore the whole idea that forums exist for once. Doesn't that sound like a nice break? But yeah, I've poked around some Bimmer forums. I just really don't want to get into another forum I feel like I need to stay current on. Just want to park the thing in the garage at night and forget about it.
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Studies have shown that BMW drivers are the biggest a$$holes on the road (along with Prius drivers), so I think you'd feel right at home in one of those.
http://www.kcconfidential.com/2013/0...biggest-jerks/
I didn't want to ruin my reputation of being Mr. Nice Guy, so I sold my Bimmer after only 17 months.
http://www.kcconfidential.com/2013/0...biggest-jerks/
I didn't want to ruin my reputation of being Mr. Nice Guy, so I sold my Bimmer after only 17 months.
Seriously though, anybody on the road who thinks they're special based on what they drive is a moron. German car owners in general, and the ones with high performance cars specifically. I love these guys who paid for their S Class about what a decent new Honda minivan costs, but they have that swagger like owning it makes them a heavy hitter.
You had an M5 right? Why did you get out of it a year and a half in?
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I liked it. Wife hated it with a passion. Mainly because she couldn't figure out the SMG trans. She had trouble figuring out how to start it, how to get it to go forward, go in reverse, and trying to figure out how to park it. Then the fact that it would start to roll backward on an incline after a second would freak her out. And all of this was with the car in Drive mode, which anybody with an SMG will tell you is awful. It was obvious that she'd never driven a car with a manual trans, which the SMG essentially is without the clutch pedal. She only drove it a few times, but she was a miserable failure at it. So that got me my daily dose of grief....which after 17 months was more than I could bear. And when I say daily, I mean every single day. She's perfectly suited for minivan duty, which she has mastered.
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I liked it. Wife hated it with a passion. Mainly because she couldn't figure out the SMG trans. She had trouble figuring out how to start it, how to get it to go forward, go in reverse, and trying to figure out how to park it. Then the fact that it would start to roll backward on an incline after a second would freak her out. And all of this was with the car in Drive mode, which anybody with an SMG will tell you is awful. It was obvious that she'd never driven a car with a manual trans, which the SMG essentially is without the clutch pedal. She only drove it a few times, but she was a miserable failure at it. So that got me my daily dose of grief....which after 17 months was more than I could bear. And when I say daily, I mean every single day. She's perfectly suited for minivan duty, which she has mastered.
I showed her how to get it in gear if it stuck and sent her on her way. Around midnight I get a call. They came out of a restaurant and the car was stuck. I told her to leave the car and the key and I'll call a rollback to come get it. And I tell her to call a cab for the short ride back to their hotel.
Then my oldest son and I jumped in his A5 and hauled *** down to Tampa. Halfway there my wife calls. They got the car in gear. How?
Well they straddled the center console, braced one foot on the dash on either side of the shifter, grabbed it with both hands and with all their weight yanked and yanked on the shifter until it popped out of Park. Then they left it running and in neutral in the hotel parking lot.
So yeah, chicks and cars. Bad idea.
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The automotive gene is inherently male. Women worry about stuff that most men could never wrap my head around as most of it seems senseless. Men worry about things you can touch...and hopefully not let their women break.
