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Bought Nexen Platinum N5000 tires for my car last summer. Almost fishtailed of the road driving in light rain a couple weeks ago and was wondering what the heck is wrong. It could not be the tires as they are 50000 miles thread warranty tires...right?
Turns out my rear tires completely wore out in just about 12000 miles and my driving is 85% non-abusive highway driving, see pictures of the used rear and front tires.
The rear tires have a slant with slightly more wear on the inside, which is due to the camber of the rear wheels. This is NOT a toe issue. The tires, that came out from my car before these Nexens, wore severely on the inside edge due to the toe being way too open, but those tires ran 45000 miles. When these Nexens went on I had the toe problem corrected as I did not want to wear them out like the tires before them. If I had not fixed the toe these Nexens would probably have been gone in just 6000 miles.
The front tires were about half done and probably could have gone another 12000 miles.
I cannot rotate tires front-to-read due to staggered setup, but I can side-to-side, which I did once after about 6000 miles.
Just a warning, Nexen Platinum N5000 is not the tire for the W221.
It looks like those tires could not handle the weight of the car and the S Class in this case . You know we have lots of tire talk here on the forums and I would say (you're very well informed person to me ) buying a reputable tire should be wiser idea for such cars . Well, I'm very well delighted with the performance of the Michelin Pilot Sport 5 Series (even Primacy 4 is great to me )
all three sets of tyres on the back of my long wheelbase S500 W221 wear 100% flat and always have done over 30k miles
I don't know what magic you have regarding tyres in the USA but its not normal to get 15k miles out of tyres on a big car in Europe - in 40 years of driving, no car I have had ever managed 25k miles and that was old world tyres 40 years back - we went through a phase of more grip in the 1990s and most people struggled to see 20k on anything - If you drive a Ford Focus with premium brand tyres today I'd expect 22k - the only person I know in my life that sometimes got up to 32 k miles was my father and he drove so slow he might have well left it parked
Its looking like I've done a set of Michelin Primacy 3s and these days I drive pathetically slow as the traffic is so bad I might as well have a bicycle (where I'd complete the journey faster), in less then 8k miles there's not much left at either end - 12 k miles on a lesser brand sports tyre wouldn't surprise me
all three sets of tyres on the back of my long wheelbase S500 W221 wear 100% flat and always have done over 30k miles
I don't know what magic you have regarding tyres in the USA but its not normal to get 15k miles out of tyres on a big car in Europe - in 40 years of driving, no car I have had ever managed 25k miles and that was old world tyres 40 years back - we went through a phase of more grip in the 1990s and most people struggled to see 20k on anything - If you drive a Ford Focus with premium brand tyres today I'd expect 22k - the only person I know in my life that sometimes got up to 32 k miles was my father and he drove so slow he might have well left it parked
Its looking like I've done a set of Michelin Primacy 3s and these days I drive pathetically slow as the traffic is so bad I might as well have a bicycle (where I'd complete the journey faster), in less then 8k miles there's not much left at either end - 12 k miles on a lesser brand sports tyre wouldn't surprise me
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I had Nokian NRZi tires under my Crown Victoria long time ago now. This was a summer tire with wet grip that I have not seen on any other tire to come even close other than Nokian zLine, which also was a summer tire. They changed it to zLine A/S that does not have nearly the same wet grip. They also stopped selling Summer tires in the U.S. market I guess due to small market for their summer tires and they concentrate to the winter tires that they have plenty to choose from.
Anyway, these tires last very long time and the ones that came off for these Nexens were Nokian zLine A/S that wore really badly in the inside edge in rear because my toe was way off. They went 45000 miles though and would have easily past 50000 if the bad toe didn’t destroy them.
I had Continental Extreme Contact DWS06 Plus tires put on now and I expect these to last a bit longer than just 12000 miles. Time will tell..
44% for wear.... I find it a very useful site - I wouldn't expect all oddities u guys get - seems loads of ones I've never heard of when you guys start talking tyres https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Nexen/N5000.htm
Nexen is a hard nooo for me. I had Nexen on my 2017 Ram 3500 as OEM when we bought the truck new in May 2017. Two of the front tires bubbled up badly on the inside with bubbles about 2" inches high. This was at 9000 miles and we were only towing an 8000 lb trailer with a WD hitch. and only had towed that for about 3 times in about 3 years. Truck is rated for 31000 lbs towing.
We were lucky they did not explode..we found the issue when i had to take the truck in for balance issue on the fronts. Replaced all 6 tires ( dually ) with Michelins and they have been perfect.
One of the rear NEXEN's also was showing a small bubble. Truck now has 22K miles on it and no tracking issues, and have only rebalanced the michelins once in 4 years.
Morale of story NEVER EVER get Nexens on anything if you value your life and your ride.
BTW Ram refused to warranty as so did Nexen ...not even a discount. So i spread the word on both Ram forums about Nexen and also opened a case on the NHTSA website. Apparently Nexen has been reported before for issues with construction of their tires..
Bought Nexen Platinum N5000 tires for my car last summer. Almost fishtailed of the road driving in light rain a couple weeks ago and was wondering what the heck is wrong. It could not be the tires as they are 50000 miles thread warranty tires...right?
Turns out my rear tires completely wore out in just about 12000 miles and my driving is 85% non-abusive highway driving, see pictures of the used rear and front tires.
The rear tires have a slant with slightly more wear on the inside, which is due to the camber of the rear wheels. This is NOT a toe issue. The tires, that came out from my car before these Nexens, wore severely on the inside edge due to the toe being way too open, but those tires ran 45000 miles. When these Nexens went on I had the toe problem corrected as I did not want to wear them out like the tires before them. If I had not fixed the toe these Nexens would probably have been gone in just 6000 miles.
The front tires were about half done and probably could have gone another 12000 miles.
I cannot rotate tires front-to-read due to staggered setup, but I can side-to-side, which I did once after about 6000 miles.
Just a warning, Nexen Platinum N5000 is not the tire for the W221.
See my reply post re Nexen issue i had although not on a MB. DO not buy them !!!!!
See my reply post re Nexen issue i had although not on a MB. DO not buy them !!!!!
Absolutely it was the first and LAST time I spend any money on Nexen tires. What garbage they are.
These should be banned from selling as 50000 mile tires as like for me it came as a big surprise the tires were gone so fast when they sell them with 50000 miles thread wear warranty. I could have gone off road in fast speed and it is pure luck I did not as wet road came on straight section of road.
I guess tires can be sold with any wear warranty that is not controlled in any way. There should be some sort of regulation that wear rating somewhat tells the truth how the tires wear.
Mileage warranty is a selling tool. If Nexen would advertise they are only 20000 miles thread wear tire I would not have bought them.
looks like camber issue helped them wear quicker on inside edge first
I have that tire on one of my rears due t wear issue of previous tire and it works well for me
Yes, I believe the camber is why they wore slightly more on inside but wear was even “slant” and not a toe problem that I had with tires before. Those wore at inside edge down to fabrics of the tires while 2/3 of the outside width looked like half of the tread was still there.
Yes today’s models essential Camber (also Caster) adjustment - to adjust tire contact angles / spread load more evenly has been deleted.
Onus now back on owners - to fund costly, premature tire purchase because of excess edge wear !
Today it is all about speed of assembly lines, cost / efficiency and therefore - now only one Camber and Caster setting - “to suit showroom height conditions”.
No more ongoing adjustment for curb knock damage or to counter excess passengers side edge tire wear through high cambered roads.
Excess “inner edge” wear / Camber change both sides - caused by altered height - load carrying / lowering or spirited driving and excess “outer edge” wear.
New car industry’s best kept secret. Still re assuringly quoting to carry out a “Full Front & Rear ‘4’ Wheel Alignment” But the reality it is now only basic Front and Rear TOE “directional” adjustment !
At K-MAC 60 years experience - resolving OEM suspension shortcomings. Including manufacturing “Bolt-On” adjustment kits - requiring “no special tools” or time consuming control arm removal to install.
Also specially designed so easily accessible to adjust. Unique Patented single wrench adjustment system - Ultimate direct on alignment rack UNDER LOAD.
SEE SPOILER
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W221 All models incl. S63/65 AMG (K-MAC kits are for both sides).
FRONT SUSPENSION - Providing up to 2 extra Degrees Pos. or Neg. Camber adjustment - more than enough to resolve any excess tire wear issues.
#502316-1i $345 Camber (Only)
(Less cost then one quality tire)
#502316M $595 Camber & also Caster
(Heavy vehicle and #502316M also replacing at same time the 4 front major wearing bushings. K-MAC Caster bushes are also Mono ball / Self aligning replacing the OEM soft rubber bushes. Still allowing arms to travel through their required suspension arcs but significantly improving brake and steering response).
REAR SUSPENSION - Also up to 2 extra degrees Pos. or Neg Camber.
#502626-1K $480 Camber (& Extra Toe).
#502828-1K $480 Uprated bushes for the ‘6’ rear multi link arms. Less rear end flex, loss of traction providing tauter response. Especially when applying power to lane change / overtake !
DHL Express Air $40 one kit ($20 each extra) sales@k-mac.com ….web: www.k-mac.com ….1888 847 9099 (Sales Tech 24/7)
AUDI to VOLVO - Experience Resolving OEM Suspension Shortcomings (and costs) Since 1964 !
Interesting information and something I have not come up against, in relation to lack of adjustment in the rear end of a modern vehicle.
Does that mean my 2013 S500 can't get its rear end aligned? It can't get a thrust alignment?
Time to go back to the tire dealer perhaps and ask what did I pay for and what did I get ??
all three sets of tyres on the back of my long wheelbase S500 W221 wear 100% flat and always have done over 30k miles
I don't know what magic you have regarding tyres in the USA but its not normal to get 15k miles out of tyres on a big car in Europe - in 40 years of driving, no car I have had ever managed 25k miles and that was old world tyres 40 years back - we went through a phase of more grip in the 1990s and most people struggled to see 20k on anything - If you drive a Ford Focus with premium brand tyres today I'd expect 22k - the only person I know in my life that sometimes got up to 32 k miles was my father and he drove so slow he might have well left it parked
Its looking like I've done a set of Michelin Primacy 3s and these days I drive pathetically slow as the traffic is so bad I might as well have a bicycle (where I'd complete the journey faster), in less then 8k miles there's not much left at either end - 12 k miles on a lesser brand sports tyre wouldn't surprise me
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Botus - Possibly because we never learned to spell "tyres" correctly.
I'm surprised at how few miles you get on a set of tyres. I bought my 2011 S550 4matic CPO with 15k miles and a new set of Continentals that lasted 40k miles. Next set were Michelin Premiers that lasted 65k miles and currently on a set of Michelin Cross Climate that have 43k miles on them and less than 1/2 worn. Most tires sold in the Northern States are "All Season" tires because of the snow that we get. I have noticed that what we call summer tires here have a shorter tread life warranty. I had a Lincoln Continental at one time with a set of Michelins that had 120k miles on them that still had decent tread but replaced them because they were cracking.
I'd be very upset if I didn't get at least 50k miles on a set. Sorry but I've no answers to why they last longer over here. It's certainly not because of Donald Trump, although he most certainly would take credit for it!!
when the steel is showing through ?
UK min depth is 1.6mm over 2/3rd of the width of the tyre and pattern must be visible everywhere - but they recognise that dangerous if its raining and 3mm is safer
Germany was 3mm but they have had a recent melt down over it as it's bad for the environment - but that point is already ingrained in their psyche
Yes we do - they still have plenty of wear left when you see the steel and they make a nice light show with the sparks they generate!! The Cross Climates that I have come new with 10/32 inch of tread. I typically run them down to 4/32 and replace them. When they get down to that level they're not as effective in the rain and the ride is stiffer. Mine are down to about 5/32 so I'll replace them before next winter.
Interesting information and something I have not come up against, in relation to lack of adjustment in the rear end of a modern vehicle.
Does that mean my 2013 S500 can't get its rear end aligned? It can't get a thrust alignment?
Time to go back to the tire dealer perhaps and ask what did I pay for and what did I get ??
As it comes from the factory there only is toe adjustment available on these cars front and rear. I have a 2012 S550 (S500) now but had a 2013 model before this one that is the same build.
Yeah, dealer ask $200+ for toe adjustments. They show you all normal values of the measurements that a tire shop would show but adjustments can only be done for toe.
how do you guys cope with a 2000 year old Roman idea - that was a rough and ready idea to ensure the road was wide enough and the smallest unit was the width of your thumb
25.4 millimeter = 1 inch [international, U.S.]
0.5 mm 0.6 / 32"
1.0 mm 1.3 / 32"
1.6 mm 2.0 / 32"
3.0 mm 3.8 / 32"
4.0 mm 5.0 / 32"
5.0 mm 6.3 / 32"
6.0 mm 7.6 / 32"
7.0 mm 8.8 / 32"
8.0 mm 10.1 / 32"
Yes today’s models essential Camber (also Caster) adjustment - to adjust tire contact angles / spread load more evenly has been deleted.
Onus now back on owners - to fund costly, premature tire purchase because of excess edge wear !
Today it is all about speed of assembly lines, cost / efficiency and therefore - now only one Camber and Caster setting - “to suit showroom height conditions”.
No more ongoing adjustment for curb knock damage or to counter excess passengers side edge tire wear through high cambered roads.
Excess “inner edge” wear / Camber change both sides - caused by altered height - load carrying / lowering or spirited driving and excess “outer edge” wear.
New car industry’s best kept secret. Still re assuringly quoting to carry out a “Full Front & Rear ‘4’ Wheel Alignment” But the reality it is now only basic Front and Rear TOE “directional” adjustment !
At K-MAC 60 years experience - resolving OEM suspension shortcomings. Including manufacturing “Bolt-On” adjustment kits - requiring “no special tools” or time consuming control arm removal to install.
Also specially designed so easily accessible to adjust. Unique Patented single wrench adjustment system - Ultimate direct on alignment rack UNDER LOAD.
SEE SPOILER
Spoiler
W221 All models incl. S63/65 AMG (K-MAC kits are for both sides).
FRONT SUSPENSION - Providing up to 2 extra Degrees Pos. or Neg. Camber adjustment - more than enough to resolve any excess tire wear issues.
#502316-1i $345 Camber (Only)
(Less cost then one quality tire)
#502316M $595 Camber & also Caster
(Heavy vehicle and #502316M also replacing at same time the 4 front major wearing bushings. K-MAC Caster bushes are also Mono ball / Self aligning replacing the OEM soft rubber bushes. Still allowing arms to travel through their required suspension arcs but significantly improving brake and steering response).
REAR SUSPENSION - Also up to 2 extra degrees Pos. or Neg Camber.
#502626-1K $480 Camber (& Extra Toe).
#502828-1K $480 Uprated bushes for the ‘6’ rear multi link arms. Less rear end flex, loss of traction providing tauter response. Especially when applying power to lane change / overtake !
DHL Express Air $40 one kit ($20 each extra) sales@k-mac.com ….web: www.k-mac.com ….1888 847 9099 (Sales Tech 24/7)
AUDI to VOLVO - Experience Resolving OEM Suspension Shortcomings (and costs) Since 1964 !
Any instructions how to use these bushings on the w221?
CHECKLIST: 1) Both kits designed so no special tools or time consuming need to remove control arms to install.
2) Also replacing the 2 (or 4) highest wearing bushings. Caster bushes are Mono ball / Self aligning replacing the OEM soft rubber bushings but still allowing arms to travel through their required suspension arcs. Result is significant improvement to Brake and Steering response.
3) Unique K-MAC patented design allows precise easily accessible / single wrench adjustment. Ultimate - direct on alignment rack UNDER LOAD.
REAR SUSPENSION:
Camber & Extra Toe #502626-1K $480
Same features as above front kits.
SEE SPOILER RE Front & Rear instruction sheets.
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AUDI to VOLVO - Experience Resolving OEM Suspension Shortcomings (and costs) Since 1964 !
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Truck now has 22K miles on it and no tracking issues, and have only rebalanced the michelins once in 4 years.
