S560 Sedan No Option for non-run flats
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S560 Sedan No Option for non-run flats
Hello all, (Joshua from Australia).
I wanted to inform you in the hope that this will help fellow MB owners who may be in a similar situation.
I own from new a W222 2019 S560 which was optioned with the 20" wheels. The OEM tyres were Pirelli Zeros. Front 245/40 R20 99Y and REAR 275/35 R20 99Y. I have never been happy and tolerated the harsher ride when compared to my previous S350 with non-run flats.
After 36000 kms I am due to replace all 4 tyres. Naturally, after researching to see if I can get a better ride with non run flats I have concluded that my only option is to continue with OEM run flats.Here's why !!
After extensive research, forums, private messages from the US and UK and talking to three reputable tyre outlets my confusion and inability to decide got worse. Finally I was able to access the official tyre info from MB Germany (approached with a little cynical reservation). I the spoke with MB Australia.
I was told "you cannot option to non-run flats" (even though I was happy to buy a full size whole and have the same non run flat tyre put on it, kept either in my home garage or in my boot when travelling inter state for example).
The reason for this is, MB confirmed that the S560 driving dynamics (ECO, COMFORT, SPORT and USER Dynamics) software (Suspension, ESP, braking etc) is CONFIGURED AT THE FACTORY FOR RUN FLATS. If I were to switch to no-run flats it would throw up a "manufacturing or manufacturer's defect" !!!.
Adding to this I was able to source an internal Tyre Fit Options information sheet and to my surprise found the S560 W222 and W223 do not have a non-runflat option or summer tyre specified / recommended.
Thoughts anyone ??
I wanted to inform you in the hope that this will help fellow MB owners who may be in a similar situation.
I own from new a W222 2019 S560 which was optioned with the 20" wheels. The OEM tyres were Pirelli Zeros. Front 245/40 R20 99Y and REAR 275/35 R20 99Y. I have never been happy and tolerated the harsher ride when compared to my previous S350 with non-run flats.
After 36000 kms I am due to replace all 4 tyres. Naturally, after researching to see if I can get a better ride with non run flats I have concluded that my only option is to continue with OEM run flats.Here's why !!
After extensive research, forums, private messages from the US and UK and talking to three reputable tyre outlets my confusion and inability to decide got worse. Finally I was able to access the official tyre info from MB Germany (approached with a little cynical reservation). I the spoke with MB Australia.
I was told "you cannot option to non-run flats" (even though I was happy to buy a full size whole and have the same non run flat tyre put on it, kept either in my home garage or in my boot when travelling inter state for example).
The reason for this is, MB confirmed that the S560 driving dynamics (ECO, COMFORT, SPORT and USER Dynamics) software (Suspension, ESP, braking etc) is CONFIGURED AT THE FACTORY FOR RUN FLATS. If I were to switch to no-run flats it would throw up a "manufacturing or manufacturer's defect" !!!.
Adding to this I was able to source an internal Tyre Fit Options information sheet and to my surprise found the S560 W222 and W223 do not have a non-runflat option or summer tyre specified / recommended.
Thoughts anyone ??
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I am drinking tonight but if you fit non run flats in the same size and get any kind of error I will give you 1000, actually make that 10000 internet points and that stupid Porsche 911 in the exile garage (shipping not included).
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Australia is a long way away. Car sales volumes are unlike the USA or UK / Europe.
The Mercedes sales model has now gone to a "buy direct online from Mercedes" no haggling and dealers get to just do the delivery. People are pissed - both customers and sales folk.
I understand that when I bought my S560 new, there were only 5 of these sold that year. Volumes fro the higher end models are low.
The competition is stiff ... I just got to see the new BMW 7 Series 740 highly optioned with Rolls Royce Style self closing doors !! and when I checked it out fully ... it is great !. Didn't drive it and yes, it has run flats but there are BMW recommended Options for non-run flats if you choose.
The young gent who took my call did not know anything about a run flat option. He kept me on hold 3 times as he went back and forth with the "senior Technical Service Manager at head office" and he says "a quick phone call to the dealer" who both said, "your cars driving dynamics are set up for Run Flats"...
Since I know less about this than them, and I have less information than they would have internally, I am unable to refute I badly want to but bull**** does sometimes baffle brains.
Can someone school me into why what they say is BS ? I still have a few weeks before I dive in and get $AUD 2350 for a set of 4 tyres.
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Once I get a little more concrete information and if I can be bothered I may call the Head Office and call them out on BS.
Have you had non run flats on your car ? What sizes and brands and I wonder if I can buy a tyre repair kit from Mercedes Benz USA ?
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my son laughs when he contrasts the rattles and squeaks coming from a $300k AUD car when compared to his $20k Prius that is rock solid.
cest’t la vie.
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Well the service in response to concrete information is so bad that I can only “protest” with my wallet. After 25 years no more Mercedes for me. More trouble than they are worth.
my son laughs when he contrasts the rattles and squeaks coming from a $300k AUD car when compared to his $20k Prius that is rock solid.
cest’t la vie.
my son laughs when he contrasts the rattles and squeaks coming from a $300k AUD car when compared to his $20k Prius that is rock solid.
cest’t la vie.
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2019 W222 S560 4Matic/2025 Yukon Denali
I have the same car as you, a 2019 S560 here in USA.
I scrapped the run flats, put on Michelin pilot sports.
Saved one runflats and wheel, put it in the truck as a spare.
Problem solved.
Anything else is overthinking.
My Benz has 0 rattles and squeaks.
I scrapped the run flats, put on Michelin pilot sports.
Saved one runflats and wheel, put it in the truck as a spare.
Problem solved.
Anything else is overthinking.
My Benz has 0 rattles and squeaks.
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I have 2020 S450 with 20" wheels. I switched to non run flats Michelin as soon as I came back home from the car purchase. Furthermore I put AMG size tires, which are 255 front and 285 rear.
I've never seen any error message on my car display. I would stop visiting the dealer that provided you the info about error message.
I've never seen any error message on my car display. I would stop visiting the dealer that provided you the info about error message.
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That has to be one of the funniest comments I have heard from a dealer/manufacturer. To say it is outright BS is an understatement. No, the car cannot magically tell what type of tires you are using. The new tires will be softer over bumps but that will not result in Mr. Computer saying, "hey Shocks, what's going on down there? Why are we riding so smooth? I think I'm going to tell the boss". I think it's comical frankly. And just get your panel fixed, my car has no rattles nor does it seem to be prevalent on the forum.
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I recently went from RF to NonRF with Continentals on my ‘18 S560. Best decision this year- no issues just enjoyment.
I did notice on a build sheet on this site that a S600(?) is standard with Non RF that comes with a pump and sealant canister.
I did notice on a build sheet on this site that a S600(?) is standard with Non RF that comes with a pump and sealant canister.
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Some AMG models can be optioned with non run flat tires from factory and you get a compressor and a can of sealant. You don't need to order the Mercedes brand but I'm sure they can order them with the part number, I add to this a set of tire plugs.
The important bit of the tires is rolling diameter, meaning don't change tire size and you'll be fine. (you can also change size as long as you maintain rolling diameter without negative effects)
The important bit of the tires is rolling diameter, meaning don't change tire size and you'll be fine. (you can also change size as long as you maintain rolling diameter without negative effects)
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I have 20" staggard AMG wheels. My dealer has told me that their policy is that they can only install run flats on my 15 S550 since that is the tire installed at factory. However, I can easily go elsewhere and have non run flats installed, which I am likely to do at next change.
I am ok with the run flats, but a separate frustration for me is that while there are all season run flats that fit the front, there are no all season run flats that fit the rear wheels. As a result, I run the summer tires. Fortunately I have always also had a SUV.
I am ok with the run flats, but a separate frustration for me is that while there are all season run flats that fit the front, there are no all season run flats that fit the rear wheels. As a result, I run the summer tires. Fortunately I have always also had a SUV.
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Thanks for this SW20S.
Once I get a little more concrete information and if I can be bothered I may call the Head Office and call them out on BS.
Have you had non run flats on your car ? What sizes and brands and I wonder if I can buy a tyre repair kit from Mercedes Benz USA ?
Once I get a little more concrete information and if I can be bothered I may call the Head Office and call them out on BS.
Have you had non run flats on your car ? What sizes and brands and I wonder if I can buy a tyre repair kit from Mercedes Benz USA ?
I wouldnt worry about the MB specific kit, just buy any kit. This is the one I have:
https://www.griotsgarage.com/12v-tir...MaAqppEALw_wcB
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Dealer will sell you the compressor and fixaflat, or you can just get a jack, a compressor, a tire iron (14mm I believe) get some plugs and a tool to push it in and have a proper spare and change kit.
I like having the spare in the trunk as I travel to see clients and I mostly drive so it's easy for me to put the spare on (run flat) and fix the tire at a later time.
I like having the spare in the trunk as I travel to see clients and I mostly drive so it's easy for me to put the spare on (run flat) and fix the tire at a later time.
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I have 2020 S450 with 20" wheels. I switched to non run flats Michelin as soon as I came back home from the car purchase. Furthermore I put AMG size tires, which are 255 front and 285 rear.
I've never seen any error message on my car display. I would stop visiting the dealer that provided you the info about error message.
I've never seen any error message on my car display. I would stop visiting the dealer that provided you the info about error message.
Front. 255/? R20 ??Y
Rear. 285/? R20 ?? Y
I assume Michelin Pilot Sport 4s ?
i like your solution.
non runflats on 4 wheels.
buy an extra alloy put a spare non run flat on it and store in the home garage.
thanks
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Dealer will sell you the compressor and fixaflat, or you can just get a jack, a compressor, a tire iron (14mm I believe) get some plugs and a tool to push it in and have a proper spare and change kit.
I like having the spare in the trunk as I travel to see clients and I mostly drive so it's easy for me to put the spare on (run flat) and fix the tire at a later time.
I like having the spare in the trunk as I travel to see clients and I mostly drive so it's easy for me to put the spare on (run flat) and fix the tire at a later time.
clarification please - if you get a non run flat tire puncture, you shall change it with the spare run flat which means you now have one odd (run flat to 3 non run flats. Is that ok ?
and thank you all for helping me.
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Over 40 years of driving I have never had a tire problem that left me stranded on the side of the road. I have probably had 5-6 instances where I picked up a nail or screw but I could still drive to a tire shop and get this fixed pretty easily. I do have the tire repair kit and pump in my trunk and actually used the pump a month ago when I picked up a nail. came out to my car and I had around 20PSI, pulled out the pump and aired the tire up to 47PSI and drove 20 miles to a tire shop that patched the tire up and sent me on my way, lost around 5PSI over the 20 miles. I could have just fixed it with my kit but this was easier. The problem with RFT is that they are super expensive and no one carries them so you can drive to a shop and have them tell you they do not carry them and they end up putting a normal tire on to get you on your way. Get the Michelin AS4+ tires mentioned above and enjoy. There is actually a foam cut out in your trunk for the tire goo and pump kit, I also added the jack, tools and gloves so that I can repair on the fly if needed.
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Over 40 years of driving I have never had a tire problem that left me stranded on the side of the road. I have probably had 5-6 instances where I picked up a nail or screw but I could still drive to a tire shop and get this fixed pretty easily. I do have the tire repair kit and pump in my trunk and actually used the pump a month ago when I picked up a nail. came out to my car and I had around 20PSI, pulled out the pump and aired the tire up to 47PSI and drove 20 miles to a tire shop that patched the tire up and sent me on my way, lost around 5PSI over the 20 miles. I could have just fixed it with my kit but this was easier. The problem with RFT is that they are super expensive and no one carries them so you can drive to a shop and have them tell you they do not carry them and they end up putting a normal tire on to get you on your way. Get the Michelin AS4+ tires mentioned above and enjoy. There is actually a foam cut out in your trunk for the tire goo and pump kit, I also added the jack, tools and gloves so that I can repair on the fly if needed.
