How Long Do You Plan to Keep Your W222?
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I'm sure of at least one reason they made that change; from a manufacturing perspective, the new door is MUCH easier to make and repair. It is very expensive and difficult to stamp complex shapes in aluminum. This is where steel has an advantage over aluminum. AND...my car (2017 W222) had some rather slight damage to both doors, damage so slight that the paint wasn't even scratched. They had to order 2 new doors from Germany because they couldn't properly repair the doors.
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I'm sure of at least one reason they made that change; from a manufacturing perspective, the new door is MUCH easier to make and repair. It is very expensive and difficult to stamp complex shapes in aluminum. This is where steel has an advantage over aluminum. AND...my car (2017 W222) had some rather slight damage to both doors, damage so slight that the paint wasn't even scratched. They had to order 2 new doors from Germany because they couldn't properly repair the doors.
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I've had the pleasure of driving a 2022 S500 4-Matic over the last 4 weeks. The car was provided as a loaner from the dealer. If anyone has any questions about the experience of driving the W223, let me know and I'll answer. Here are my thoughts so far:
The new S500 has a V6 TT motor with an electrically powered supercharger and a mild hybrid system. Wneh compring it to the V8 in my S550, it isn't as smoth or responsive as I like, but it has plenty of power for highway speed and most overtaking situations. nd obviously the exhaust note is lacking. It's super effecient and smooth when cruising.
The interior, and technology are where this car shines. I wasn't a fan of the "scoreboard" in the middle of the car when I saw the car in pictures and videos, but when viewing it from the driver's seat using it for driving I'm 100% sold on it. I absolutely LOVE the new display and layout. I've used "Hey Mercedes" more freuently and really appreciate how quick and easy things happen. But I have no idea how to properly interact with the gesture control, with one exception. I LOVE how when reaching for something in the passenger seat or rear of the car, the lights in that area automatically turn on, then turn back off without pusing a button or saying anything. The active ambient lighting and built in front facing dashcam were surprises nobody talked about in reviews, both are winners for me.
The ride is superb, probably because of better tires than what I have on my S-class, but there's probaly also some supsension upgrades. In any event, the ride is smoother at all speeds. The suspension, over bumps and imperfections, is only slightly better, not a drastic improvement. I judge this based on how well the car maintains composure over rough bumps, especially when cornering. This is when stability is crucial, and this car is only slightly better at best than the W222.
This is basically serving as an extended test-drive, and I couldn't be happier about it
The new S500 has a V6 TT motor with an electrically powered supercharger and a mild hybrid system. Wneh compring it to the V8 in my S550, it isn't as smoth or responsive as I like, but it has plenty of power for highway speed and most overtaking situations. nd obviously the exhaust note is lacking. It's super effecient and smooth when cruising.
The interior, and technology are where this car shines. I wasn't a fan of the "scoreboard" in the middle of the car when I saw the car in pictures and videos, but when viewing it from the driver's seat using it for driving I'm 100% sold on it. I absolutely LOVE the new display and layout. I've used "Hey Mercedes" more freuently and really appreciate how quick and easy things happen. But I have no idea how to properly interact with the gesture control, with one exception. I LOVE how when reaching for something in the passenger seat or rear of the car, the lights in that area automatically turn on, then turn back off without pusing a button or saying anything. The active ambient lighting and built in front facing dashcam were surprises nobody talked about in reviews, both are winners for me.
The ride is superb, probably because of better tires than what I have on my S-class, but there's probaly also some supsension upgrades. In any event, the ride is smoother at all speeds. The suspension, over bumps and imperfections, is only slightly better, not a drastic improvement. I judge this based on how well the car maintains composure over rough bumps, especially when cornering. This is when stability is crucial, and this car is only slightly better at best than the W222.
This is basically serving as an extended test-drive, and I couldn't be happier about it
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See, I would never want the newer version of my car as a loaner, because then when I got my car back I would want the new one lol
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No need for two turbos on an inline motor
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"Need" is in the eye of the beholder.
Earlier BMW's were twin turbo'd and now
https://www.thedrive.com/news/44900/...lectrification
Earlier BMW's were twin turbo'd and now
https://www.thedrive.com/news/44900/...lectrification
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"Need" is in the eye of the beholder.
Earlier BMW's were twin turbo'd and now
https://www.thedrive.com/news/44900/...lectrification
Earlier BMW's were twin turbo'd and now
https://www.thedrive.com/news/44900/...lectrification
Question... are the m157, m278 high pressure fuel pumps running at over 5000psi like the I6 in the story... sounds high... but i dont know what these pressures are in modern engines
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Except that other much more attractive cars are basically the same cD as the EQS. Aerodynamics won’t be as big an issue going forward. Mercedes wanted the EQ vehicles to look high tech and different.
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EQS is acting as a vanguard for the EV S-Class.
S-Class is too important for MB to gamble so the EQS is created to test all aspects of an full EV vehicle, inside and outside.
I expect the Hyper Screen will make it into the new EV S-Class and the W223 already have 2 screens, the Driver Display and the Central Display.
As for the outside, MB deliberately push the aerodynamic factor to its limit. But the EV S-Class will not sacrifice its evolutionary look (ie the family resemblance to previous S-Class, particularly the W223) for a lower Cd. So, it is likely the body shape of the EV S-Class will be somewhere between the EQS' and the W223's, perhaps closer to the latter than the former.
And, most definitely, W224 (if it is named so) will not be a hatchback.
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I think MB started with getting their low resistence first and the design followed that. An artist did not do a sketch and come up with an egg as a new design trend and then call it high tech and different. They made an egg high tech to be the shiny thing to hook some fish....I am not biting. The W222 and the outside of the W223 are S class all the way...the EQS is no bueno.
https://group-media.mercedes-benz.co...l?oid=49581781
https://group-media.mercedes-benz.co...l?oid=49581781
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I totally agree...
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