seamus2154

Awesome pic Donny!! Love Texas. Better keep up on those cabin, and air filters!!!!

carlosinseattle

I'm sure of at least one reason they made that change; from a manufacturing perspective, the new door is MUCH easier to make and repair. It is very expensive and difficult to stamp complex shapes in aluminum. This is where steel has an advantage over aluminum. AND...my car (2017 W222) had some rather slight damage to both doors, damage so slight that the paint wasn't even scratched. They had to order 2 new doors from Germany because they couldn't properly repair the doors.

seamus2154

I had the same issue with 2 doors. Aluminum was the problem. The had to replace both. I had a ding a year later, ding guy gave quite a disclaimer regarding the memory of aluminum over steel and made no guarantee. Came out fine, but aluminum stretches can be an issue.

carlosinseattle

I've had the pleasure of driving a 2022 S500 4-Matic over the last 4 weeks. The car was provided as a loaner from the dealer. If anyone has any questions about the experience of driving the W223, let me know and I'll answer. Here are my thoughts so far:

The new S500 has a V6 TT motor with an electrically powered supercharger and a mild hybrid system. Wneh compring it to the V8 in my S550, it isn't as smoth or responsive as I like, but it has plenty of power for highway speed and most overtaking situations. nd obviously the exhaust note is lacking. It's super effecient and smooth when cruising.

The interior, and technology are where this car shines. I wasn't a fan of the "scoreboard" in the middle of the car when I saw the car in pictures and videos, but when viewing it from the driver's seat using it for driving I'm 100% sold on it. I absolutely LOVE the new display and layout. I've used "Hey Mercedes" more freuently and really appreciate how quick and easy things happen. But I have no idea how to properly interact with the gesture control, with one exception. I LOVE how when reaching for something in the passenger seat or rear of the car, the lights in that area automatically turn on, then turn back off without pusing a button or saying anything. The active ambient lighting and built in front facing dashcam were surprises nobody talked about in reviews, both are winners for me.

The ride is superb, probably because of better tires than what I have on my S-class, but there's probaly also some supsension upgrades. In any event, the ride is smoother at all speeds. The suspension, over bumps and imperfections, is only slightly better, not a drastic improvement. I judge this based on how well the car maintains composure over rough bumps, especially when cornering. This is when stability is crucial, and this car is only slightly better at best than the W222.

This is basically serving as an extended test-drive, and I couldn't be happier about it

Tom in Austin

The S500 engine is an in-line 6, not a V6

SW20S

See, I would never want the newer version of my car as a loaner, because then when I got my car back I would want the new one lol

carlosinseattle

You're correct, and only one turbo, it's not a twin turbo. My bad on the spec.

SW20S

No need for two turbos on an inline motor

Donnymac

Soon it will be a jelly bean.

MBNUT1

"Need" is in the eye of the beholder.
Earlier BMW's were twin turbo'd and now
https://www.thedrive.com/news/44900/...lectrification

kafklatsch

Article remained interesting throughout ... thanks
Question... are the m157, m278 high pressure fuel pumps running at over 5000psi like the I6 in the story... sounds high... but i dont know what these pressures are in modern engines

SW20S

The S Class won't be a jelly bean, it will have the stature of the S Class with things that they learned in development of the EQS.

Donnymac

I always admired the obvious design uniqueness of a big Mercedes. Such design power is losing to industry Play Dough.

2012 merc amg

Gold digger maybe 😆

2012 merc amg

I figure I won’t keep my car much beyond the expiration of the extended CPO Warrantee in a couple of years. After I get rid of my S560 I’ll drive my 2019 E450 wagon until the wheels fall off that car.

MBNUT1

From what I am seeing like half of that. Pretty sure diesel injection is a lot higher.

seamus2154

Agree! Although I am sure aerodynamics has plenty to do with it...the EQS is a perfect example of where its going.

SW20S

Except that other much more attractive cars are basically the same cD as the EQS. Aerodynamics won’t be as big an issue going forward. Mercedes wanted the EQ vehicles to look high tech and different.

Donnymac

In general, pretty much true for stock untuned direct injection motors. Diesel will see around 30,000 psi and gas 3-5,000 psi. That’s from a very good mechanic friend.

Donnymac

Seems to enhance battery life, no edges and slick would be the prescription for them all.

seamus2154

I think MB started with getting their low resistence first and the design followed that. An artist did not do a sketch and come up with an egg as a new design trend and then call it high tech and different. They made an egg high tech to be the shiny thing to hook some fish....I am not biting. The W222 and the outside of the W223 are S class all the way...the EQS is no bueno.

https://group-media.mercedes-benz.co...l?oid=49581781

bishop64

I reckon the same.
EQS is acting as a vanguard for the EV S-Class.

S-Class is too important for MB to gamble so the EQS is created to test all aspects of an full EV vehicle, inside and outside.
I expect the Hyper Screen will make it into the new EV S-Class and the W223 already have 2 screens, the Driver Display and the Central Display.

As for the outside, MB deliberately push the aerodynamic factor to its limit. But the EV S-Class will not sacrifice its evolutionary look (ie the family resemblance to previous S-Class, particularly the W223) for a lower Cd. So, it is likely the body shape of the EV S-Class will be somewhere between the EQS' and the W223's, perhaps closer to the latter than the former.

And, most definitely, W224 (if it is named so) will not be a hatchback.

SW20S

I think they also wanted the vehicles to look like nothing else on the road, futuristic, etc.

JohnLane

They succeeded at making it ugly as sin!

SW20S

I totally agree...