2020 S63 176K MSRP -- for low 70!!??
11-27-2023, 02:14 PM
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- 3D Burmester tweeters, OK.
- It has code 402 Rear seat Climate control on page 111, on the build sheet. But the car doesn't have rear seat climate control.
- Again, on page 111 on the build sheet it has code 402 for Rear seat climate control. As you know, MB sells packages. When you have rear seat climate control you automatically also get electrically adjustable headrest, which means you won't have the button on the side of the headrest. You can check that in the booklet.
- Any car that has code 402 automatically also gets headrest that move up/down & forward/backwards with the button on the door, not a button on the headrest. That's how MB offers the package. Any W222 with rear climate control will also have the front headrest functions, just like yours did, and my current car.
Maybe it isn't a scam but too many holes for me.
- It has code 402 Rear seat Climate control on page 111, on the build sheet. But the car doesn't have rear seat climate control.
- Again, on page 111 on the build sheet it has code 402 for Rear seat climate control. As you know, MB sells packages. When you have rear seat climate control you automatically also get electrically adjustable headrest, which means you won't have the button on the side of the headrest. You can check that in the booklet.
- Any car that has code 402 automatically also gets headrest that move up/down & forward/backwards with the button on the door, not a button on the headrest. That's how MB offers the package. Any W222 with rear climate control will also have the front headrest functions, just like yours did, and my current car.
Maybe it isn't a scam but too many holes for me.
I think you are mixing things up…
The rear seat climate controls (only heat and cool) which the car has and shows on pictures versus the rear climate control aka the fully separate AC/heating.
This car does not have that option. the front seats are configured correctly as well.
Btw. Options packaging changed between the pre/post facelift models.
This is really not that difficult.
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11-27-2023, 02:44 PM
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I think you are mixing things up…
The rear seat climate controls (only heat and cool) which the car has and shows on pictures versus the rear climate control aka the fully separate AC/heating.
This car does not have that option. the front seats are configured correctly as well.
Btw. Options packaging changed between the pre/post facelift models.
This is really not that difficult.
The rear seat climate controls (only heat and cool) which the car has and shows on pictures versus the rear climate control aka the fully separate AC/heating.
This car does not have that option. the front seats are configured correctly as well.
Btw. Options packaging changed between the pre/post facelift models.
This is really not that difficult.
11-27-2023, 02:53 PM
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Please look at the window sticker. This is the only guide that matters, not the build sheet.
Then please point out the option that shows the car has the optional package…
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11-27-2023, 03:07 PM
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The build sheet for a particular car should always match the window sticker. Why would they be different?
11-27-2023, 04:15 PM
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Option 402 is the rear seat heating cooling, nothing else... Option 401 is for the front seats.
If there would actually be a rear climate control in the car, you would find option 582 for the rear seat air conditioning...
The window sticker is spot on this car since the tweeters are accounted for. No need to accuse the seller for a lack of knowledge
11-27-2023, 04:17 PM
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Carlosinseatte,
You are incorrect. Wolfman is correct!
Code 582 is Air Conditioning Rear. This is the code that would have buttons to control the climate in the rear passenger compartment on the back of the front center console.
Code 402 is Rear Seat Climate Control. This is the code for heated rear outboard seats.
You are incorrect. Wolfman is correct!
Code 582 is Air Conditioning Rear. This is the code that would have buttons to control the climate in the rear passenger compartment on the back of the front center console.
Code 402 is Rear Seat Climate Control. This is the code for heated rear outboard seats.
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11-27-2023, 04:49 PM
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Carlosinseattle,
Your statement below is not correct!
MB had some production changes and this was one of them mid cycle. I remember discussing this when I picked up my 2019 S63 at the Center of Excellence in Sindelfingen Germany on my Euro Delivery trip in November 2018. The very loaded cars such as mine with rear tables and executive reclining seating still got the adjustable rear headrests but many did not as they were having a supplier quantity issue with the adjustable headrests at the time.
Your statement below is not correct!
MB had some production changes and this was one of them mid cycle. I remember discussing this when I picked up my 2019 S63 at the Center of Excellence in Sindelfingen Germany on my Euro Delivery trip in November 2018. The very loaded cars such as mine with rear tables and executive reclining seating still got the adjustable rear headrests but many did not as they were having a supplier quantity issue with the adjustable headrests at the time.
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11-27-2023, 05:01 PM
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Carlosinseatte,
You are incorrect. Wolfman is correct!
Code 582 is Air Conditioning Rear. This is the code that would have buttons to control the climate in the rear passenger compartment on the back of the front center console.
Code 402 is Rear Seat Climate Control. This is the code for heated rear outboard seats.
You are incorrect. Wolfman is correct!
Code 582 is Air Conditioning Rear. This is the code that would have buttons to control the climate in the rear passenger compartment on the back of the front center console.
Code 402 is Rear Seat Climate Control. This is the code for heated rear outboard seats.
11-27-2023, 06:48 PM
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I would guess that the reason the dash has not been replaced is that the selling dealer has taken it to a few MB dealers for a warranty claim on the dash and they have declined it. Leather trim like this is typically excluded from the warranty, particularly when it is clear this car baked in the sun for the past few years. This is a massive job to do right and could easily hit 10K to swap the dash for a new one. I would not touch this car without documentation that the dash would be replaced with a new one prior to sale. On my 2019 some of the wood trim had some odd bubbles in it and I had to pull a favor with my SA to get it covered and it was a few hundred bucks worth of trim. Dealers typically fight cosmetic stuff like this in my experience.
11-27-2023, 06:58 PM
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I would guess that the reason the dash has not been replaced is that the selling dealer has taken it to a few MB dealers for a warranty claim on the dash and they have declined it. Leather trim like this is typically excluded from the warranty, particularly when it is clear this car baked in the sun for the past few years. This is a massive job to do right and could easily hit 10K to swap the dash for a new one. I would not touch this car without documentation that the dash would be replaced with a new one prior to sale. On my 2019 some of the wood trim had some odd bubbles in it and I had to pull a favor with my SA to get it covered and it was a few hundred bucks worth of trim. Dealers typically fight cosmetic stuff like this in my experience.
11-27-2023, 07:43 PM
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11-27-2023, 08:35 PM
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I am not discounting the performance of CCB but I do know from these pads and other ceramic pads I have had before, dust is a non issue. Not all are created equal. Spending $16,000 on CCB to do away with the very small light dust these ceramic pads generate would be insane.
Even if the CCB produce ZERO dust, it would be a minuscule improvement that would not at all be worth the cost. Upgrade to CCB for the braking performance, dust isn’t a reason to do it, if that’s your primary driver for doing that there are way more cost effective ways to accomplish that
Even if the CCB produce ZERO dust, it would be a minuscule improvement that would not at all be worth the cost. Upgrade to CCB for the braking performance, dust isn’t a reason to do it, if that’s your primary driver for doing that there are way more cost effective ways to accomplish that
11-28-2023, 09:04 AM
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I'd give ANYTHING (but not the current replacement price of around $16k) for carbon ceramic brakes, and I sure wish they were on my car. I take one drive to DC in my car and back and the wheels are filthy. I know I could get ceramic pads I guess but I wanted the whole deal and my new car came without them so.... bottom line is: please listen...
CARBON CERAMIC BRAKES ARE PRICELESS!!!!! OMG.... PRICELESS!!!! NO DUST HARDLY. How could any human on this earth not want that when they have a German car without them, and filthy wheels every other day....
CLEAN IS PRICELESS.
CARBON CERAMIC BRAKES ARE PRICELESS!!!!! OMG.... PRICELESS!!!! NO DUST HARDLY. How could any human on this earth not want that when they have a German car without them, and filthy wheels every other day....
CLEAN IS PRICELESS.
11-28-2023, 09:22 AM
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I'd give ANYTHING (but not the current replacement price of around $16k) for carbon ceramic brakes, and I sure wish they were on my car. I take one drive to DC in my car and back and the wheels are filthy. I know I could get ceramic pads I guess but I wanted the whole deal and my new car came without them so.... bottom line is: please listen...
CARBON CERAMIC BRAKES ARE PRICELESS!!!!! OMG.... PRICELESS!!!! NO DUST HARDLY. How could any human on this earth not want that when they have a German car without them, and filthy wheels every other day....
CLEAN IS PRICELESS.
CARBON CERAMIC BRAKES ARE PRICELESS!!!!! OMG.... PRICELESS!!!! NO DUST HARDLY. How could any human on this earth not want that when they have a German car without them, and filthy wheels every other day....
CLEAN IS PRICELESS.
11-28-2023, 10:39 AM
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I was quoted like $1200 to put ceramic pads on my 2018 S63, installed (I don't work on my cars).
Just didn't want to pay that much...
And $16k for carbon ceramic brakes? Way too much money for a 6 year old car, for me or most people.
Just didn't want to pay that much...
And $16k for carbon ceramic brakes? Way too much money for a 6 year old car, for me or most people.
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11-28-2023, 11:50 AM
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That was my thinking exactly, but with blended regenerative braking in an electric it kind of does make sense. I'm seriously considering CCB for the first time for my Lotus Eletre. Since I'm never going to track the vehicle and wear is minimal otherwise, it might not be a bad investment. They just might last for the entire life of the vehicle (or for as long as I own it anyways.)
Do you get brake dust?
In any event he's a great MB mechanic....has loaners etc. I'll never go back to the dealer.
11-28-2023, 01:20 PM
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Thank you, I don't need rotors, just the pads and yes, that would be great. I have a 10 year extended warranty I bought when I got the car so I have 4 years left on it. I only go to the dealer due to this but for brake pads, I'd consider using an indie instead.
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11-28-2023, 01:48 PM
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The posts about CCB brakes just make me laugh!
The CCBs are the best value for the money on heavy S63 AMGs.
I wished when I ordered my 2019 S63 AMG that I did European Delivery on had CCBs. There were only two options I did not get on the car-CCBs and the color changing "sun roof" (I know Streamliner loves the panorama roof!!). I now have about 50k miles on the car with two brake jobs totaling $14k for rotors and pads for the none CCBs--yes I go to my local dealer for the service and I could do it myself since I have a 2 post lift but I spend too much time tracking my Corvettes and racing in the SCCA to work on my MB S63. The CCBs would last about 100k miles. If I keep the car 100k miles I would have spend about 28k in rotors and pads for the non CCBs. Now, I am considering an order for a 2024 S63 AMG E Performance but I am noticing that CCBs are not available and I WILL NOT order that heavy "pig" without CCBs. I also noticed that the specs show the car limited at 155 mph whereas my 2019 S63 is limited at 186mph. My guess is that until they offer the CCBs they will limit the speed to 155. Normally the US spec comes with the AMG Drivers Package Std which increased my car to 186mph. I also noticed on the German MB website that the specs are also limited the car to 250 kph/155 mph although a couple of early Youtube testers show the car going upto 290kph (probably before the worldwide shortage of CCBs hit). I am guessing it is due to worldwide shortage of CCBs. I have CCBs on both of my 2023 Corvette Z06s. They are the best brakes money can buy and if one has a heavy car with lots of horse power, the CCBs are a must. Wished I could reorder my 2019 S63 with the CCBs.
The CCBs are the best value for the money on heavy S63 AMGs.
I wished when I ordered my 2019 S63 AMG that I did European Delivery on had CCBs. There were only two options I did not get on the car-CCBs and the color changing "sun roof" (I know Streamliner loves the panorama roof!!). I now have about 50k miles on the car with two brake jobs totaling $14k for rotors and pads for the none CCBs--yes I go to my local dealer for the service and I could do it myself since I have a 2 post lift but I spend too much time tracking my Corvettes and racing in the SCCA to work on my MB S63. The CCBs would last about 100k miles. If I keep the car 100k miles I would have spend about 28k in rotors and pads for the non CCBs. Now, I am considering an order for a 2024 S63 AMG E Performance but I am noticing that CCBs are not available and I WILL NOT order that heavy "pig" without CCBs. I also noticed that the specs show the car limited at 155 mph whereas my 2019 S63 is limited at 186mph. My guess is that until they offer the CCBs they will limit the speed to 155. Normally the US spec comes with the AMG Drivers Package Std which increased my car to 186mph. I also noticed on the German MB website that the specs are also limited the car to 250 kph/155 mph although a couple of early Youtube testers show the car going upto 290kph (probably before the worldwide shortage of CCBs hit). I am guessing it is due to worldwide shortage of CCBs. I have CCBs on both of my 2023 Corvette Z06s. They are the best brakes money can buy and if one has a heavy car with lots of horse power, the CCBs are a must. Wished I could reorder my 2019 S63 with the CCBs.
Love to see a couple of pics of your Z06's!
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11-28-2023, 07:35 PM
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Seriously, I will never set foot in the dealer again. He also has a relationship with some folks at Euro in Germantown that he will send the car up there for warranty stuff.
05-31-2024, 10:25 AM
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Just a question. Why would you buy a warranty on a new car if it has a factory warranty? Why not buy it after or right before the factory warranty is done?
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Because the price was very inexpensive at time of buying the car compared to what it would have been 4 years later and I wanted a 10 year warranty.
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You can buy all the same warranties at any time during the original warranty, there is no benefit to buying early.
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The ELW pricing is the same as long as you buy it within the 4 year/50k original warranty.
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