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No more MB:(
Until it either catches on fire or crashes into something or someone.
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Hey, I wasn't trying to push Tesla on you, I was somewhat of a fan 3-4 years ago, but not so much now...and plan to replace the Model S with a Porsche or MB EV, in time.
And if MB is going to force touch screens on me in a W223 or EQS, I'd rather have driving aids than not have them, for those moments that I'm fiddling with the screen.
And if MB is going to force touch screens on me in a W223 or EQS, I'd rather have driving aids than not have them, for those moments that I'm fiddling with the screen.
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Originally Posted by syswei
Hey, I wasn't trying to push Tesla on you, I was somewhat of a fan 3-4 years ago, but not so much now...and plan to replace the Model S with a Porsche or MB EV, in time.
And if MB is going to force touch screens on me in a W223 or EQS, I'd rather have driving aids than not have them, for those moments that I'm fiddling with the screen.
And if MB is going to force touch screens on me in a W223 or EQS, I'd rather have driving aids than not have them, for those moments that I'm fiddling with the screen.
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24 months on just about every conceivable options available. out the door price was about $220k.
I didn't want to go too long on the lease. wanted to time it so I can get into 992 Turbo S when it gets released.
lease expenses are so much simpler to keep on the books as it is line item expense, than dealing with depreciation/asset/loan-liability.
I didn't want to go too long on the lease. wanted to time it so I can get into 992 Turbo S when it gets released.
lease expenses are so much simpler to keep on the books as it is line item expense, than dealing with depreciation/asset/loan-liability.
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Taycan Turbo S. Posted this a while back on bimmerpost...
Porsche uses MRM to set the residual limit, (median price of a spec'd car) anything over goes into lease payments.
MRM is set pretty realistic at $213,500. At 15k/36, the residual is at 41%, MF .00310.
You get the $7500 tax discount as a cost reduction, so based where you live, tax-wise, the car will run about $4600 a month.
Getting the slower Taycan 4s has a higher 50% residual and will set you back over $2500 a month...
All this is pre-negotiation of course but according to them, none are sold below list as their waiting list exceeds their allocations for this year.
Even at a significant discount, the residual kills it for me. Even at ultra-low 5k miles a year, residual only goes up by 3%.
According to our Porsche dealer, virtually all Taycan models are leased where we live. Makes sense since nobody knows what these are worth a couple of years from now. It's a Gen.1 car...
Porsche uses MRM to set the residual limit, (median price of a spec'd car) anything over goes into lease payments.
MRM is set pretty realistic at $213,500. At 15k/36, the residual is at 41%, MF .00310.
You get the $7500 tax discount as a cost reduction, so based where you live, tax-wise, the car will run about $4600 a month.
Getting the slower Taycan 4s has a higher 50% residual and will set you back over $2500 a month...
All this is pre-negotiation of course but according to them, none are sold below list as their waiting list exceeds their allocations for this year.
Even at a significant discount, the residual kills it for me. Even at ultra-low 5k miles a year, residual only goes up by 3%.
According to our Porsche dealer, virtually all Taycan models are leased where we live. Makes sense since nobody knows what these are worth a couple of years from now. It's a Gen.1 car...
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24 months on just about every conceivable options available. out the door price was about $220k.
I didn't want to go too long on the lease. wanted to time it so I can get into 992 Turbo S when it gets released.
lease expenses are so much simpler to keep on the books as it is line item expense, than dealing with depreciation/asset/loan-liability.
I didn't want to go too long on the lease. wanted to time it so I can get into 992 Turbo S when it gets released.
lease expenses are so much simpler to keep on the books as it is line item expense, than dealing with depreciation/asset/loan-liability.
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Taycan Turbo S. Posted this a while back on bimmerpost...
Porsche uses MRM to set the residual limit, (median price of a spec'd car) anything over goes into lease payments.
MRM is set pretty realistic at $213,500. At 15k/36, the residual is at 41%, MF .00310.
You get the $7500 tax discount as a cost reduction, so based where you live, tax-wise, the car will run about $4600 a month.
Getting the slower Taycan 4s has a higher 50% residual and will set you back over $2500 a month...
All this is pre-negotiation of course but according to them, none are sold below list as their waiting list exceeds their allocations for this year.
Even at a significant discount, the residual kills it for me. Even at ultra-low 5k miles a year, residual only goes up by 3%.
According to our Porsche dealer, virtually all Taycan models are leased where we live. Makes sense since nobody knows what these are worth a couple of years from now. It's a Gen.1 car...
Porsche uses MRM to set the residual limit, (median price of a spec'd car) anything over goes into lease payments.
MRM is set pretty realistic at $213,500. At 15k/36, the residual is at 41%, MF .00310.
You get the $7500 tax discount as a cost reduction, so based where you live, tax-wise, the car will run about $4600 a month.
Getting the slower Taycan 4s has a higher 50% residual and will set you back over $2500 a month...
All this is pre-negotiation of course but according to them, none are sold below list as their waiting list exceeds their allocations for this year.
Even at a significant discount, the residual kills it for me. Even at ultra-low 5k miles a year, residual only goes up by 3%.
According to our Porsche dealer, virtually all Taycan models are leased where we live. Makes sense since nobody knows what these are worth a couple of years from now. It's a Gen.1 car...
if the market price holds better than the buy-out-after-lease, then exercise the purchase option and flip it.
if the 1st gen car tanks in a few years in used market, that's on PFS.
good info here.
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The S-Class is the best bang for the buck luxury play IMO. A fully loaded W223 non-AMG S-Class will lease for well less than half of the Taycan TS and less than a base Taycan.
Besides, the S-Class is the luxury sedan benchmark in the world and keeps on setting new standards (as a package) with its blend of technology, assistance and active safety systems and usable luxury. MB pushes the competitors to keep up and catch up who, on occasion, surpass some S-Class features until the next model is out.
Both the BMW 760 and the Audi A8 have done that with some great features on their own but much has been copied from MB as well.
On the high-end, neither the RR or Bentley (any model) is technically competitive; their play is infinitive customization, opulence and status.
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Taycan Turbo S. Posted this a while back on bimmerpost...
Porsche uses MRM to set the residual limit, (median price of a spec'd car) anything over goes into lease payments.
MRM is set pretty realistic at $213,500. At 15k/36, the residual is at 41%, MF .00310.
You get the $7500 tax discount as a cost reduction, so based where you live, tax-wise, the car will run about $4600 a month.
Getting the slower Taycan 4s has a higher 50% residual and will set you back over $2500 a month...
All this is pre-negotiation of course but according to them, none are sold below list as their waiting list exceeds their allocations for this year.
Even at a significant discount, the residual kills it for me. Even at ultra-low 5k miles a year, residual only goes up by 3%.
According to our Porsche dealer, virtually all Taycan models are leased where we live. Makes sense since nobody knows what these are worth a couple of years from now. It's a Gen.1 car...
Porsche uses MRM to set the residual limit, (median price of a spec'd car) anything over goes into lease payments.
MRM is set pretty realistic at $213,500. At 15k/36, the residual is at 41%, MF .00310.
You get the $7500 tax discount as a cost reduction, so based where you live, tax-wise, the car will run about $4600 a month.
Getting the slower Taycan 4s has a higher 50% residual and will set you back over $2500 a month...
All this is pre-negotiation of course but according to them, none are sold below list as their waiting list exceeds their allocations for this year.
Even at a significant discount, the residual kills it for me. Even at ultra-low 5k miles a year, residual only goes up by 3%.
According to our Porsche dealer, virtually all Taycan models are leased where we live. Makes sense since nobody knows what these are worth a couple of years from now. It's a Gen.1 car...
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