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Make sure you REALLY look at Ruby Black in person, from all angles, in direct sunlight, in shade, etc. It is an amazing color that seemingly looks different all the time.
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So, I wonder if some of those goodies in the Executive Line, will make it to the stand alone options list. I have absolutely zero use for the Executive rear seat or the rear seat touch screens, but might love the 10 degree rear axle steering.
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Is there some reason that it is not possible to save this DOG (pdf) file? It only lets me save the link.
So, I just read the C&D write-up of the 2021 S-Class. It includes quite a bit of info on the hybrid model, equipped with the straight 6, and electric motor. Supposedly, it will have 60 miles of all-electric range. Impressive. I didn't see this hybrid (quasi Chevy Volt approach) model in the initial DOG. Is this model way, way out in future time? C&D said nothing about the heavy hybrid S-Class availability. If so, I'm gunna wait.
Can I assume a reasonably well equipped S-Class will drive off the Merc lot for roughly $200k MSRP? Hope they don't pull the G63 routine, and mark her up $50k+ above MSRP (so, all told a $250k+ drive off price), but I suppose they will, for at least the first 2 to 3 years.
So, I just read the C&D write-up of the 2021 S-Class. It includes quite a bit of info on the hybrid model, equipped with the straight 6, and electric motor. Supposedly, it will have 60 miles of all-electric range. Impressive. I didn't see this hybrid (quasi Chevy Volt approach) model in the initial DOG. Is this model way, way out in future time? C&D said nothing about the heavy hybrid S-Class availability. If so, I'm gunna wait.
Can I assume a reasonably well equipped S-Class will drive off the Merc lot for roughly $200k MSRP? Hope they don't pull the G63 routine, and mark her up $50k+ above MSRP (so, all told a $250k+ drive off price), but I suppose they will, for at least the first 2 to 3 years.
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Because the W222 ruby color was very dark. At night it looked almost black. And during the day, only under direct sunlight, could you actually appreciate the ruby/burgundy color!
I’m leaning towards the Mojave Silver with Exclusive Sienna Brown, but could be swayed otherwise.
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Is there some reason that it is not possible to save this DOG (pdf) file? It only lets me save the link.
So, I just read the C&D write-up of the 2021 S-Class. It includes quite a bit of info on the hybrid model, equipped with the straight 6, and electric motor. Supposedly, it will have 60 miles of all-electric range. Impressive. I didn't see this hybrid (quasi Chevy Volt approach) model in the initial DOG. Is this model way, way out in future time? C&D said nothing about the heavy hybrid S-Class availability. If so, I'm gunna wait.
Can I assume a reasonably well equipped S-Class will drive off the Merc lot for roughly $200k MSRP? Hope they don't pull the G63 routine, and mark her up $50k+ above MSRP (so, all told a $250k+ drive off price), but I suppose they will, for at least the first 2 to 3 years.
So, I just read the C&D write-up of the 2021 S-Class. It includes quite a bit of info on the hybrid model, equipped with the straight 6, and electric motor. Supposedly, it will have 60 miles of all-electric range. Impressive. I didn't see this hybrid (quasi Chevy Volt approach) model in the initial DOG. Is this model way, way out in future time? C&D said nothing about the heavy hybrid S-Class availability. If so, I'm gunna wait.
Can I assume a reasonably well equipped S-Class will drive off the Merc lot for roughly $200k MSRP? Hope they don't pull the G63 routine, and mark her up $50k+ above MSRP (so, all told a $250k+ drive off price), but I suppose they will, for at least the first 2 to 3 years.
The S580e should be available in Q2, 21. Same timing for the E-ABC suspension.
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The S-Class will likely cost "just" a bit more than the ongoing model in the US. In Germany, the S-Class is 3000-5000 Euros more while offering more base features. Net, the new S-Class is supposed to be even a bit cheaper than before.
The S580e should be available in Q2, 21. Same timing for the E-ABC suspension.
The S580e should be available in Q2, 21. Same timing for the E-ABC suspension.
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Although a much better car than the prior S550e and S560e, I think the S580e will have the same fate in the US of being a less desired low volume car sitting at dealerships. The S560e with within a $2-3k from a standard S560 4matic.
You can deck out a S560 to close to $160k but nobody in their right mind does and most of these sit between $120k to $140k on the high-end. The new S will play in the same field, give or take $10k.
$175-$200k is S63e territory, just like today... The S73 will land where the S65 used to be...
All of this is my opinion of course
PS. I don't include sales tax. That's not how cars are advertised and since 80+% of these are leased, the applicable sales tax portion varies dramatically by state
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"...PS. I don't include sales tax. That's not how cars are advertised and since 80+% of these are leased, the applicable sales tax portion varies dramatically by state..."
I'm always amazed at this philosophy. Sales tax is a very real, hard cost, no different than the $'s the buyer pays for the vehicle itself.
Another hard cost is the EFW. Again, these are very real, actual $'s, and there's not a smidgeon of difference between the cost of EFW, and what the buyer pays for the equipped car. In general, a 7/100 Mercedes EFW runs about 10% the cost of the MSRP.
So, all told, for purposes of rough total cost estimation, I routinely add 20% to the MSRP, as equipped cost (10% sales tax in my state and county, plus another 10% for the EFW).
In the end, my rough total cost estimate is a bit higher than my actual drive-off-the-lot cost, as the EFW is less than 10% of the MSRP. In my case, when I write out the check, it's happily a bit less than planned. I see other car buyers in pain, when they see the actual drive-off-the-lot cost.If you don't believe me, try telling your salesman the additional costs of an optional EFW (if chosen), plus the mandatory sales tax, don't have to be included in your check. Guess what, you ain't gunna be driving that particular car off their lot!
I'm always amazed at this philosophy. Sales tax is a very real, hard cost, no different than the $'s the buyer pays for the vehicle itself.
Another hard cost is the EFW. Again, these are very real, actual $'s, and there's not a smidgeon of difference between the cost of EFW, and what the buyer pays for the equipped car. In general, a 7/100 Mercedes EFW runs about 10% the cost of the MSRP.
So, all told, for purposes of rough total cost estimation, I routinely add 20% to the MSRP, as equipped cost (10% sales tax in my state and county, plus another 10% for the EFW).
In the end, my rough total cost estimate is a bit higher than my actual drive-off-the-lot cost, as the EFW is less than 10% of the MSRP. In my case, when I write out the check, it's happily a bit less than planned. I see other car buyers in pain, when they see the actual drive-off-the-lot cost.If you don't believe me, try telling your salesman the additional costs of an optional EFW (if chosen), plus the mandatory sales tax, don't have to be included in your check. Guess what, you ain't gunna be driving that particular car off their lot!
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"...PS. I don't include sales tax. That's not how cars are advertised and since 80+% of these are leased, the applicable sales tax portion varies dramatically by state..."
I'm always amazed at this philosophy. Sales tax is a very real, hard cost, no different than the $'s the buyer pays for the vehicle itself.
Another hard cost is the EFW. Again, these are very real, actual $'s, and there's not a smidgeon of difference between the cost of EFW, and what the buyer pays for the equipped car. In general, a 7/100 Mercedes EFW runs about 10% the cost of the MSRP.
So, all told, for purposes of rough total cost estimation, I routinely add 20% to the MSRP, as equipped cost (10% sales tax in my state and county, plus another 10% for the EFW).
In the end, my rough total cost estimate is a bit higher than my actual drive-off-the-lot cost, as the EFW is less than 10% of the MSRP. In my case, when I write out the check, it's happily a bit less than planned. I see other car buyers in pain, when they see the actual drive-off-the-lot cost.If you don't believe me, try telling your salesman the additional costs of an optional EFW (if chosen), plus the mandatory sales tax, don't have to be included in your check. Guess what, you ain't gunna be driving that particular car off their lot!
I'm always amazed at this philosophy. Sales tax is a very real, hard cost, no different than the $'s the buyer pays for the vehicle itself.
Another hard cost is the EFW. Again, these are very real, actual $'s, and there's not a smidgeon of difference between the cost of EFW, and what the buyer pays for the equipped car. In general, a 7/100 Mercedes EFW runs about 10% the cost of the MSRP.
So, all told, for purposes of rough total cost estimation, I routinely add 20% to the MSRP, as equipped cost (10% sales tax in my state and county, plus another 10% for the EFW).
In the end, my rough total cost estimate is a bit higher than my actual drive-off-the-lot cost, as the EFW is less than 10% of the MSRP. In my case, when I write out the check, it's happily a bit less than planned. I see other car buyers in pain, when they see the actual drive-off-the-lot cost.If you don't believe me, try telling your salesman the additional costs of an optional EFW (if chosen), plus the mandatory sales tax, don't have to be included in your check. Guess what, you ain't gunna be driving that particular car off their lot!
This is not a philosophy. It simply is a way to compare apples to apples. I come from Germany where VAT is 19% (non pandemic) and it is always included by default. This is country-wide and all costs can be easily compared.
In the US, sales tax is all over the place from no tax to above 11% on cars. On leases, some states assess sales tax only on the lease portion while others apply it to the sale price. As such the actual $ amount can vary significantly on the same cost vehicle.
Thus, for the purpose of discussing the price of these car on this forum, excluding sales tax makes more sense. Just like excluding individuals credit worthiness impacting the actual lease/financing rates. This may be different when discussing lease rates...
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This is not a philosophy. It simply is a way to compare apples to apples. I come from Germany where VAT is 19% (non pandemic) and it is always included by default. This is country-wide and all costs can be easily compared.
In the US, sales tax is all over the place from no tax to above 11% on cars. On leases, some states assess sales tax only on the lease portion while others apply it to the sale price. As such the actual $ amount can vary significantly on the same cost vehicle.
Thus, for the purpose of discussing the price of these car on this forum, excluding sales tax makes more sense. Just like excluding individuals credit worthiness impacting the actual lease/financing rates. This may be different when discussing lease rates...
In the US, sales tax is all over the place from no tax to above 11% on cars. On leases, some states assess sales tax only on the lease portion while others apply it to the sale price. As such the actual $ amount can vary significantly on the same cost vehicle.
Thus, for the purpose of discussing the price of these car on this forum, excluding sales tax makes more sense. Just like excluding individuals credit worthiness impacting the actual lease/financing rates. This may be different when discussing lease rates...
BTW, every time I have ever purchased a new Mercedes vehicle, neither my checking account, nor my Mercedes salesman, gave a rip, other than my check had to cover the grand total cost of my new Merc, or that new car wasn’t leaving his lot.
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And why would this matter to anyone?
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because you said: “...PS. I don't include sales tax...”
OTOH, I do include the very real cost of sales tax in my estimate of the total out the door, drive off the lot cost of my new Merc. I guess it’s perfectly fine if other folks buying a new Mercedes (not leasing) choose to (temporarily) overlook this cost in their total cost estimate, but in the end, they’re gunna have to pay the piper!
OTOH, I do include the very real cost of sales tax in my estimate of the total out the door, drive off the lot cost of my new Merc. I guess it’s perfectly fine if other folks buying a new Mercedes (not leasing) choose to (temporarily) overlook this cost in their total cost estimate, but in the end, they’re gunna have to pay the piper!
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because you said: “...PS. I don't include sales tax...”
OTOH, I do include the very real cost of sales tax in my estimate of the total out the door, drive off the lot cost of my new Merc. I guess it’s perfectly fine if other folks buying a new Mercedes (not leasing) choose to (temporarily) overlook this cost in their total cost estimate, but in the end, they’re gunna have to pay the piper!
OTOH, I do include the very real cost of sales tax in my estimate of the total out the door, drive off the lot cost of my new Merc. I guess it’s perfectly fine if other folks buying a new Mercedes (not leasing) choose to (temporarily) overlook this cost in their total cost estimate, but in the end, they’re gunna have to pay the piper!
As such, it is generally understood by anyone in this country that taxes will be added to nearly everything you purchase.
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“...it is generally understood by anyone in this country that taxes will be added to nearly everything you purchase...”
and yet at the same time, I’ve seen new car buyers in a near state of shock when the guy back in the finance department gives them the total bottomline figure their check needs to match to drive that new beautiful car off the lot.
I asked one of these back office guys about this, and he told me the biggest cost factor not accounted for prior to this last aspect of the car buying experience is sales tax, followed closely by their desire to purchase the EFW.
and yet at the same time, I’ve seen new car buyers in a near state of shock when the guy back in the finance department gives them the total bottomline figure their check needs to match to drive that new beautiful car off the lot.
I asked one of these back office guys about this, and he told me the biggest cost factor not accounted for prior to this last aspect of the car buying experience is sales tax, followed closely by their desire to purchase the EFW.
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I'm trying to get in sync with the 'Green New Deal,' and just as fast as I can. The handwriting is on the wall, and cars are rapidly transitioning to electric. At some point in the future, carbon fuels will be passé. Who knows what the timeframe is, but I suspect this may occur perhaps faster than what we may currently think. We'll see.
I used to own a Chevy Volt, and I so dearly wish I had hung on to it. Of course, it goes without saying, in no way was my Volt in the same class as a beautiful Mercedes S580e will be, but I really loved not having to buy gas. I normally only went to the gas station maybe once every 6 weeks, or so, and even then I only topped off the Volt's 10 gallon tank, by adding about 2 or 3 gallons of gas.
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Why in the world are you all debating taxes when they're different from state to state, country to country, even city to city. Makes absolutely no sense for a discussion about price or a forum with member from all over the world. People who buy a car and don't account for taxes when they go to buy are just beyond words. Clearly that isn't anyone here, or at least it shouldn't be anyone here. Taxes are irrelevant from one member to the next.
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