mercedesmax

Supply issues for an engine? Sorry but I'm hearing it's emissions related.

Chucky3000

Truthfully, this is a blessing in disguise. BMW and Mercedes have gone off a cliff with the number of models and submodels.
I have absolutely NO experience in automotive production but for a time I did produce a line of high end womenswear.
One wants a tight cohesive collection with as close to cookie cutter production line. You want higher volume on fewer styles instead of lower volume on many styles.
It appears outrageous how many different versions of a single model can be had. GLE, GLE Coupe, Multiple engines in each, etc and on other models.
BMW is even worse. Grand coupe this - sedan that, SUV this, etc - all from the same model.

They're making way too many models, and they can't possibly be happy selling 10,000 of each if they could cut down the production variety and make 100,000 of a smaller selection.

Seems like every time I open Instagram, BMW and Mercedes are making a new variant of a model.

Gosh I miss the days of "190E 300E 300SL/560SL, 300SEL/420SEL/560SEL and 560SEC" and done.

Just my 2 cents.

Germancar1

Emission issues just don't happen overnight. They would have seen this coming and started dropping V8s years ago if that was the case. You don't just drop every V8 you sell except two of them in just model year's time. They just developed a hybrid V8 system for AMGs and you think they now dropped it? Come on now. SUVs are included in this also and they wouldn't just drop all of the V8 versions of them. The GLS600 just came out. The V8s will be back at some point.

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Germancar1

Yeah I get that they make a lot of models, but that has nothing to do with V8s. They can easily pair down model lines without dropping V8s. Just dropping the V8 doesn't eliminate any model lines or the number of models, it only eliminates some of the trim grades on certain models. Mercedes isn't simplifying their model lineup with EVs coming, it's only going to get worse.


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Chucky3000

Flooding the market at a frenzied pace. I can almost hear a man with a thick german accent shouting "more more more models! lets go!"

Germancar1

Yep the Germans are very disingenuous when they say they're cutting models, what they're doing is eliminating the ones that don't sell, and adding more that do lol. SLK, S Coupe out, a flood of EQ models in.

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Chucky3000

EQS is also going to have an EQS SUV version I read this morning.

So essentially they're going to double up on the models.

Vegas Benz

not to doubt you, but I ordered a '22 four months ago and it is on a ship to reach New Jersey on Monday. If it is held until December, that would make it 8 months from order to release. everything on my end is just speculation, but it seems silly for them to sit on millions of dollars of inventory any longer then necessary. I realize they did that with the 2021's too. for a high end company, there has not been a good ordering and communication process.

and a side gripe, most dealers post their inventory on their website, and of those many let you view the build sheets, but only a few dealers let you know that the vehicle is sold or not. it kind of defeats the purpose of the user tools if the listings are just bait and not actually available. if we got accurate and honest information we would be able to relax and wait it out or decide to move on.

TwinCam

I agree. Daimler AG is experiencing more shareholder activism relating to carbon neutrality and global warming. Blackrock Group is the largest US shareholder of Daimler AG stock and they exercise their voting rights. They have demanded meetings with Ola Kallenius, Daimler AG Chairman &CEO, demanding an increased commitment to cutting carbon emissions in Mercedes vehicles and in their manufacturing plants. Blackrock has even voted against a board nominee and other proposals brought before shareholders by Mr. Kallenius. Blackrock is a force to be reckoned with as they have the ability to convince other large investors to join them in voting against Daimler AG proposals that they feel are not in the best interest of the environment. Read the attached link to see what Daimler is up against. The move away from V8 engines is environmentally sound and it is the first step in moving Mercedes customers toward electric vehicles which are carbon neutral and provide excellent high speed performance. https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/...transition.pdf

Donnymac

Uber drivers in NYC and Houston will maybe like it.

Will high speed performance last over 3 hours?

TwinCam

While the dropping of V8’s for most of the model lineup may be unexpected, Mercedes has been very forthright in stating their plans for moving to all electric vehicles. https://media.mbusa.com/releases/rel...o-all-electric. Note that Mercedes mentions in this news release under the heading “Technology Plan” that the AMG Division will be a “dedicated performance electric vehicle platform” in 2025. An interesting news release.

MBS63AMG

I wonder if railroad locomotives will switch to fully electric engines as they haul coal to the nearby electric power plants for creating electricity?

johndong888

To my understanding, it's an emission policy that got rolled back in the US. Hence the extension of MY21 extensions followed by the halting of MY22 v8s. Current s580s are hybrids already.

js_cls

I think the only reason the S-Class is excluded from suspension is because production of MY22 models was already in progress earlier than any other model. The reasoning for the S580 being a hybrid would make sense if the GLE and GLS580 (which use the same engine) were excluded from the list of models suspended for MY22.

johndong888

You might be onto something. I was only thinking in terms of S class and G wagon, my two go to models lol

emilner

It is quite a dramatic move considering entire vehicle lines will be sidelined such as the G class. I wish we knew the exact reason but at least we know our vehicles will continue with good resale values...

Germancar1

I don't see how that would be the case when all the "580" models use the same V8 connected to the EQ Boost mild hybrid system. Aston Martin is not losing their V8s either as they just confirmed. So no I don't buy that one. Something else is going on here.

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Germancar1

I would view this as temporary. There is no way Mercedes is going to allow the GLS, GLE, G and any other V8 model disappear just like that. I find it hard to believe any emissions changes would be rolled back that quickly that just tanks Mercedes V8 models and no one else's and Aston is using the same V8 and they aren't being affected. If it is emissions related then how is the S580 still able to be on sale when it uses the same V8 as the GLS 580, GLE 580, GLS 600? Of course Mercedes having the 2022 S-Class in production doesn't mean anything to the government, they don't just say well since you started building 2022s already we'll let you slide by the rules.


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retiredandhappy

I suspect that most of you have seen this article or one like it. It is interesting reading about the V8. The Car and Driver article was published on 8/16. If there is any truth to this article, I wonder what MB will do with the 2022 S580s that they have already produced? Mine is sitting in Brunswick.
Report Suggests Mercedes Pulling Most V-8s out of U.S. for 2022 (caranddriver.com)

Germancar1

They're going to sell them.

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mercedesmax

Doesn't affect the S Class.

100stars

In Houston last week they were charging 10K and 15K on two-floor 2021 models. I said no and walked away. I still wonder if they sold them or not. Personally, I feel they wanted the "MAX" profit but in the end, if the car did not get sold they will go to MSRP or lower.

FranDaBenzMan

The only way to get a "discount" is if you are a recurring customer, or have a close relationship with your dealership and even then you would get close to sticker. Our dealer is starting at $10k over.

Rockland

I am at 8% discount and buy rate on lease.

MTrauman

Even the Atlanta boys like Rockland (aka Jack) can find a nugget once in a while! Guessing the dealer that is giving the discount is our friendly dealer in Pitt. Glad to have a couple of the best dealerships in the country in my backyard right here in PA.