I agree with automatic door closing and the lightshow on the moonroof. However, the Mercedes Me app has also remote start, remote pre-heat/cooling and notify you through your app and sends you picture when someone dings your car. It also can park itself in parking garages that has the infrastructure to support it and drives back to you when you return thru the app. The S Class have both augmented reality in the HUD and on the middle screen. The Digital Light works here in Germany, it projects signs and help you keep you in check if you're in a tight lane So, again it's down to preference as each has its strong points. You can also track the progress of your MB built thru the Mercedes Me app here in Germany but unfortunately they stop the program. At the end of the day, if someone likes the design of either car, they will choose one or the other and we are all lucky enough here to own one.

 

One of the things I have noticed over the years is that Europe can be different than the USA, in may instances. I guess the USA company has a lot of leeway in what they do in this market and over the years, they have chosen to eliminate and change certain things.

The other point that I noticed is about the price of the EQS and the fit and finish as compared to the S-class. I know originally, the EQS was not being touted as the S-class EV, but it has certainly evolved into that. You don't tend to notice certain things in the EQS because your are constantly in awe of the hyperscreen, but the fit and finish of the S-class is far superior to the EQS in terms of where and how much leather they use vs. MBTex and the elimination of plastics. In the end, the pricing of the EQS turned out to be very similar to the S-class but they never upgraded the fit and finish in terms of use of leather and elimination of plastics in the car. They should fix this.

Is it the same way in Germany?

 

I also like how they did that better.

This tech has been superior with BMW for a long time, I felt the same way in 2020 when I was deciding between the W222 and the G12

I actually find this annoying. When trying to open the doors like normal doors you feel like you are fighting the electric motor, I can open and close my own doors, and once the novelty has worn off I often will do that and will always have to fight the electronic mechanism of the door. I would turn it off if it was possible, personally.

You can have it either place. I don't care about it personally.

BMWs have had that in the 7 and X7 for a while. Its cool, but the roof doesn't open in the new 7, I like opening the roof from time to time. The W223 has ambient lighting in other places the 7 doesn't, this is just an implementation difference that wouldn't move the needle for me.

I would much rather have screens on the back of the seats than the big screen that blocks any view out the back. Honestly, I wouldn't spec either.

I don't like that, personally.

Would never have any need to do that, why would my car be sitting there with all the doors open? When people get out of the car they close their doors.

EQS yes, but I have not watched any reviews that say the 7's ride is SUPERIOR to the W223, I have seen many that say it rides just as well. The i7 likely rides better because its 1,000 lbs heavier.

The tech differences are true and always have been. BMW's ordering process is much better than MB, but once you have the car then thats over, so that wouldn't impact my decision about which car to get.

Not going to happen, the S Class has always been the king and will always be the king. There have been times when BMW honestly made a better product, or Lexus made a better product, but the S Class was still the most desirable. You'll see with sales the S Class will remain the king. That doesn't mean its the best car...

Like I said this car has grown on me a lot, but the primary driver is value, its a lot cheaper than the S Class. For what a bottom option AMG package S580 costs you can have an almost fully loaded 760. It was the same way in 2020 when I was comparing them. If I had liked the seats in the G12 better I very well may have that right now. If both the W223 and the 760 were the same price option for option, I would definitely get the W223.

The other big motivator for me is the i7. I am very drawn to moving to EV, and the EQS is not a car I would ever have any interest in, but the i7 looks and feels like a regular car...its a little light on range but all the testing of the iX says that real world range is much better than the estimates, hopefully the same will be true of the i7.

This is absolutely true

 

Pricing between EQS and S-Class is pretty close, however we have websites like carwow.de for example which let me have 11% discount on my build. I personally don't like the EQS and wish that Mercedes scraps it and take a page from BMW 7 series. The EQS is supposed to be eco-friendly that's why it's offered in recycled materials although the S-Class here in Germany can also be spec'd out with cloth interior as well. As far as fit and finish, unless it's the upper model, they all suffer in quality.

 

Passed by a LCI G12 today...that car is just so much better looking than the new one...no contest. I wish they had made a car that drives like the new one but looks like that one...

 

Funny you mentioned that. I passed by both a new and old 7er today. The new one must have been an i7 because it had the luxury line front end. It was Mineral White. The chrome accents are so much better than the gloss black, but the front is still not my cup of tea. Of course, 5 minutes later a pre-LCI G12 Alpina B7 passed by and that was just lust worthy in design.

 

Yeah the luxury line front end makes a huge difference, as does the chrome trim. This is how I would spec one:

 

I would probably do Tanzenite Blue as it is dark like black in most lighting to hide the design, while not being black still (I refuse to buy another black car). That being said the fact that I would have to spec a color to hide a design is pretty sad. I travel a bunch so the EV is also out of the question for me, so stuck with M-Sport and the gloss black goatee. Also I hate the fact that automakers are going to designs where sunroofs don't actually open. This past month alone, I have had the windows down and sunroof open more times than I can count, and can't remember the last day I turned on the AC. I really love the way my S and Genesis look in white with chrome, its such a great combo to show off elegance while also looking a bit ritzy but not over the top, but with the 7er white is definitely the color to avoid for it in my opinion.

Maybe BMW will win me back with the next 5-Series. I have a feeling that car will be a winner as the 5er is going to keep a more traditional design, while mix in some elements of the 7er's interior.

 

Tanzanite blue is a beautiful color...

Yeah no black cars for me, although a dark blue isn't a whole lot better.

Yeah the S Class is just a lot more elegant and timeless IMO...

 

It is certainly more elegant which is how I bought most of my cars, but for some reason, I am drawn to a "bad ***" car this time around.

 

I went by the BMW and Mercedes dealerships over the weekend. My MB salesperson wasn’t working, so I didn’t sit in the S580. I did sit in a EQS 580 SUV, and I didn’t find it very impressive. My dealership still has stupid markups on most models. I find that a huge turn-off.

I did get to sit in a new 760 at the BMW dealership and was very impressed—it just felt plush. Even the base trim is very nice. I don’t think the 7 is attractive unless it’s in the right color and package. I prefer the standard grill over the blackened version. The i7 EV seems to be in short supply.

I haven’t owned an S-class since 2015, but I view it as my favorite vehicle to date. I felt really special driving it. I still see the S-class as the gold standard of luxury automobiles.

 

Certainly nothing wrong with that! Changing things up is fun...

Yeah the EQSs are not very impressive compared to an S Class. All the markups are gone here pretty much...

Super nice inside, very plush. The seats remind me of the kind of car seats they don't make anymore, they feel like an overstuffed couch. I prefer the standard grille too.

Something about looking down the hood at the three pointed star...

 

Has anyone noticed how the BMW 7 series feels much roomier than the S class? I’ve noticed this because the center console on the 7 series stays low while the S class comes up to that large screen, which protrudes much more into the driver space than the BMW – which dash tends to go more horizontal.

I feel this is a significant difference and I feel much less constricted in the 7. It feels much more open and comfortable.

Anybody get that same kind of feeling?

 

They're both gigantic cars, I'd have a hard time feeling cramped in either lol.

 

I don't notice that at all, in fact I think the S Class feels a little more open because if the low dash. Both are big cars though...

 

I noticed it immediately as soon as I sat in it coming off the previous generation S-class which felt roomier.

That is one of the reasons I even started looking at other cars.

 

I just think you should replace your EQS 580 with a BMW i7 xDrive60. Then, your current 760i xDrive will be happier with its Electric twin sitting adjacent.
Your stable will be unified and fully Bavarian.

 

Too late for that. The EQS 580 is less than a week old. I like that car, and I enjoy the hyperscreen. It is nice to have different cars and each gives its own special touch.

We will see what happens in a couple of years.

 

I don't feel that way when I sit in a W223 being used to my W222

 

It looks nice in Tanzanite Blue, and also in Carbon Black. But I have had an Azurite Black 7 and I currently have a Nautical Blue S class. Done with the blues and the bluish blacks.

I am waiting (and hoping for) Alpina Green. I think the lines of the new 7 would look great in Alpina Green.

 

That could be a long wait, but I agree, would look nice.

 

I feel it as well. My W222’s felt much roomier inside and the interior was much more comfortably functional, at least for me.

 

So I had the time today to spend significant time in our EQS as a passenger, and it was a really great experience.

Forgetting about fit and finish, because in that regard, the car can't compare to the S-class, but if you think about basic design beauty and what really looks great, I think the EQS is far superior to the S-class. Also, with respect to feeling roomy, I felt this car, even though probably smaller, actually felt roomier, in spite of the fact the screen is much larger than the S-class. I think this is because the hyperscreen seems to be somewhat recessed into the dash, and the S-class has this large screen sticking out in front of the dash. The perspective is significantly different, and your mind and body perceive that.

I really think we made the right decision in getting this car, in spite of the fact that if you take the comparisons, point by point, it isn't as good, but it is certainly is "gorgeous and impressive inside",

 

@LovinMercedes Were you sitting in the front or back? Do you find the hyperscreen distracting? Can you turn off the middle and passenger portions?

 

I was in the front passenger seat and yes, you can certainly shut off the passenger screen and I believe the center one as well.

During the day, they are not distracting, at night, much more noticeable, but I am sure you can turn down the brightness so it won't be as obvious.

For me, it looks like a spaceship at night, and that's a fun environment. Maybe over time, I will also turn it down.