crabman

My dealer is now telling me the 500 goes from 111,100 to 113,700 base while the 580 goes from 117,700 to 120,600. Nothing on any increases that may or may not be coming with the various trim levels and options. As always; dealer supplied information accuracy warning is in effect.

odesskiy

With the crazy inflation we are experiencing, the increase would not surprise me in the slightest.

ColeBlooded

Everything is going up.

crabman

It was about what I expected so I'm not chapped.

Streamliner

And what better category to increase in price than luxury goods? Most anyone who can afford a new S Class is rolling with the inflation punches pretty good. It's the little guys who are getting killed. Folks like construction workers who need to drive full size pick-up trucks, who have long commutes to job sites, etc.

DoctorDash

Was having this same conversation with my wife yesterday, its rough for the little guys working the 9-5s. I mean think about this for a second, your working 9-5 and making 50k a year. Your bringing home about 675 a week, of which 150-175 goes to filling up your tank, another few hundred in rent and then a few dominos pizzas. And forget about if you have a family, I mean its just disgusting how bad its gotten with inflation for the average American. Welcome to Bidens America where I dont think we;ve seen anywhere near the worst of it yet

bishop64

An increase is one thing, but the more important thing is what features (if any) will be removed from the standard list and become an option. Unless and until the full list of standard features is available, nothing is meaningful.

crabman

I didn't see anything added except the leather and paints for 23, didn't notice anything missing, although I'm not sure if I would have noticed some of the finer points going either way. I can say when you're sitting in the dealer going over the options it appears exactly as you see 22 on the configurator (both standard equipment and options) with the addition of the new paints/leather, the availability of the PHEV, and the number 2023 instead of 2022 at the top of the site. I was considering both, the 22 to get something sooner, the 23 seemed like a better shot at actually getting most of the order to show up. I went with 23.

rw594

And if you guys over at the states are pissed off by this minor price increase, know that consumers in Mainland China got the same MSRP increase, whilst also having their engines downgraded, from 3.0 Litre to 2.5.

The engine downgrade, of course, was done steathily, without official notification to would-be customers.

Hope this makes you feel slightly better : )

bishop64

The engine size is given in the spec in their official webpage though. So, not that sneaky.
Interestingly, although the size is reduced from 3-litre to 2.5-litre, the engine output is rated the same (eg 367PS for the S450).
However, the 0-100 is slower, by 0.5sec.

Diesel Benz

Which engine is the 2.5 litre engine? It does not seem to be available in Europe at all, perhaps coming later on? I could not find a 2.5 litre engine even for the E-class that has smaller, 2 litre engines.

bishop64

For the China Mainland, S400 and S450 will use 2.5-litre I6 engine (256 925).
This pic is capped from the official page:-

crabman

Going from 21 to 22 most of the options carried without a price increase, if that happens going from 22 to 23 I'll be pretty happy. I understand this is subjective, but... In my mind this car really needs the V8. Like I said before, you should move! Cheaper cars, breweries are coming up with some amazing beers, and, uh, did I mention V8s?

bishop64

Not so sure myself


If I were to move, I would probably move to Germany...You surely know why...lol...and then there is Autobahn.
And, of course, the traditional door handle is available there as an option!


True. I could then trade in my S450 for an ''well equipped Maybach 580'' and with some change left....lol
But then, even though I am not a beer guy, I do know Germany has the best beer in the world.

rw594

Well this is where we part ways, crabman my friend

Although I complained about the engine downgrade on behalf of my fellow countrymen, personally I don't actually care. All I wanted was a lounge chair on wheels, and W223 best fitted the bill. Don't really care how fast it goes. I'm the kind of person that uses adaptive cruise control every opportunity I can, to get away from driving as much as possible!

rw594

Yeah, they gotta publish that downgrade somewhere, lest they be sued for false advertising : ) but launching the car with a 3.0 Litre engine, only to shrink it down to 2.5 Litre later in the same model year, without reducing prices, is still an obvious attempt to dupe at least the less discerning customers.

And on the subject of 0-100: somehow my Mexican S450, with 367 hp, is rated for 5.1s, while the Chinese S500, with a bigger hp figure of 435, is slower at 5.5s. What gives?

bishop64

You must have heard of MB using steel instead of aluminum alloy for some non critical elements (eg the bonnet/hood and boot/trunk cover) for their cars sold in the Mainland, have you not?
This obviously increases the weight and I suspect this is why the 0-100 time is slower for the same (Mainland China vs overseas) model.
The fuel mileage figures also are slightly higher as well.

crabman

Actually gents I don't care about the performance per se, the V8 just feels a little less soft than the V6, it's the effortlessness I like. If I had wanted speed, I'd have gone another way.

Let's see: Germany; not a bad choice. I love it in the old country, spent a lot of time over there for both work and play. I'm buying an apartment across the pond right now in fact. Germany is one of the few countries over there I would consider buying an S class, any S class. Just so big, the size alone would be restrictive in a lot of places. You don't see people "tapping" their car into a parallel parking spot there like you do in Roma and so many other places.

Beer... Not sure I'd rate the Germans the best at it; there are over 400 breweries just in my state, over 9k in the US. Many of those breweries are pushing the envelope in a way they just don't back in Germany; not anymore. Can't really say we do it better but I feel I could make a strong case for par. Truth be told though I'm more of a wine drinker but these new barley-wines and other brews are sometimes interesting and even a pathetic old man like me likes to have a little fun and go outside the comfort zone.

Of course all this is moot, I can't say I would make some of the choices you folks discuss but I can respect them. I actually like that we're all different.

rw594

Thanks man, that actually is news to me, and would certainly explain the discrepency!

Logical, too - if MB is adventrous enough to cut corners in the engine figures, then ofc more downgrades are to be expected under the hood, where changes are even less noticeable

bishop64

It is not just MB having this practice, BMW and alike do the same.

rw594

True, at this point it is pretty much common knowledge among the germans that the Chinese market is easily abusable

Drone_S213

The Belgians make the best beer in the world...the Germans the best Glass. After 2-pints of St. Bernardus ABT 12 from the Keg, a Chauffeur is necessary for your S-Class or Maybach.

​​​​My Maybach will be equipped as such with an ice cold Keg on Tap for this rear seat Protagonist!

crabman

After 2 pints of Dogfish Head 120 Minute IPA you'll need two strong men and a boy to carry you to the car, but only if you weren't already arrested in a drunken brawl started by Belgian tourist that thought they could handle the local beer.

Senecat

A 2.5l anything in an S Class is sacrilege.