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Good to hear MBNut…I’m not alone and am not losing my mind!!
Sometimes when I see a sports car on the road I go oh wow look at that beautiful creature. Then I go into the showroom sit inside one and go how am I gonna get out? Recently with a 911 I grabbed the outside mirror (attached to the body) to help me out. It was rather undignified. Lol!!
Exactly how I feel these days. In the SUVs you just seem to slide sideways into the seat and just step out.
This is funny. I just went to the local car show and texted my friend "How do you know when you are old? Answer: When you no longer want to get into and out of sports cars." By the time I left I dreaded the thought of getting in and out of and sitting in low slung cars.
For some older folks, sport cars are too low but some SUVs are just the same but at the other end of the spectrum, ie being too high (!) to climb in and climb out. I suppose, that is why some SUVs have side running board for you to step onto.
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Originally Posted by bishop64
For some older folks, sport cars are too low but some SUVs are just the same but at the other end of the spectrum, ie being too high (!) to climb in and climb out. I suppose, that is why some SUVs have side running board for you to step onto.
For some older folks, sport cars are too low but some SUVs are just the same but at the other end of the spectrum, ie being too high (!) to climb in and climb out. I suppose, that is why some SUVs have side running board for you to step onto.
Except the running board on the GLE 53 is joke, too narrow. Might be a worse suggestion to try and step on it.
I plan on keeping this car between 10-15 years. The only reason I'm getting rid of my other Mercedes is starts to cause more money to maintain as things breaks down due to longevity of use since I bought it in 2008. However, I wonder if this current S class are meant to be driven for a long period of time given the fact they are engineered for planned obsolescence and I think they are not the same as they used to be.
I plan on keeping this car between 10-15 years. The only reason I'm getting rid of my other Mercedes is starts to cause more money to maintain as things breaks down due to longevity of use since I bought it in 2008. However, I wonder if this current S class are meant to be driven for a long period of time given the fact they are engineered for planned obsolescence and I think they are not the same as they used to be.
2023 - 2008 = 15 years, which is pretty good. What MB model(s) is that? How many km/miles?
The current 223 S-Class should be meant to be driven for a long long time. While fully EVs could be untested territory, MB has tons of experience with ICE cars and there should not be any worry in this department, especially this 223 generation is the last ICE generation S-Class and is reportedly to have a longer life cycle (than the normal 7-8 years average in the past generations). And, this is the flagship S-Class too, which MB would most certainly spend a little bit more thought on its longevity.
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Originally Posted by bishop64
2023 - 2008 = 15 years, which is pretty good. What MB model(s) is that? How many km/miles?
The current 223 S-Class should be meant to be driven for a long long time. While fully EVs could be untested territory, MB has tons of experience with ICE cars and there should not be any worry in this department, especially this 223 generation is the last ICE generation S-Class and is reportedly to have a longer life cycle (than the normal 7-8 years average in the past generations). And, this is the flagship S-Class too, which MB would most certainly spend a little bit more thought on its longevity.
I guess the only problem would be the tech in the W223 aging (design wise or function wise), curious how interior design will be 15 years from now also don't know how long can the computers in the W223 hold up, hopefully for long.
I guess the only problem would be the tech in the W223 aging (design wise or function wise), curious how interior design will be 15 years from now also don't know how long can the computers in the W223 hold up, hopefully for long.
To imagine how a 2023 W223 will hold up 15 years later, I think we can take a cue from how a 2008 W221 holds up now in 2023.
Subjectively speaking, the exterior design still holds up pretty well and the interior design can still express a comfortable and luxury atmosphere, even though the design is dated, especially obvious when compared to a W223. But, just on its own, I think there is still life there.
Regarding the electronics/electricals of the W221, I suppose many W221s are still working fairly well. PCBs can last a very long time. Might surf the W221 forum to see if many are complaining failing computers?
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Originally Posted by bishop64
To imagine how a 2023 W223 will hold up 15 years later, I think we can take a cue from how a 2008 W221 holds up now in 2023.
Subjectively speaking, the exterior design still holds up pretty well and the interior design can still express a comfortable and luxury atmosphere, even though the design is dated, especially obvious when compared to a W223. But, just on its own, I think there is still life there.
Regarding the electronics/electricals of the W221, I suppose many W221s are still working fairly well. PCBs can last a very long time. Might surf the W221 forum to see if many are complaining failing computers?
Think in terms of design at least, do you think the screens will really hold up well in 15 years or something revolutionary will come out making the screens feel dated?
Think in terms of design at least, do you think the screens will really hold up well in 15 years or something revolutionary will come out making the screens feel dated?
I think screens are here to stay for a long time (> 10 years at least).
The only 'major' change was when CRT monitors being phased out and replaced by LCD, about 15 years ago. That is about it.
One potential trend/fad (for good or bad) is the HUD getting more emphasis. Of course, the most extreme case is the complete replacement of the dash by the HUD. All info/data are displayed on the windshield and the dash is gone. Unlikely in the near future (15 years or so). Who knows? Might be in the very distant future?
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Originally Posted by bishop64
I think screens are here to stay for a long time (> 10 years at least).
The only 'major' change was when CRT monitors being phased out and replaced by LCD, about 15 years ago. That is about it.
One potential trend/fad (for good or bad) is the HUD getting more emphasis. Of course, the most extreme case is the complete replacement of the dash by the HUD. All info/data are displayed on the windshield and the dash is gone. Unlikely in the near future (15 years or so). Who knows? Might be in the very distant future?
I see, in that case Micro LED, or Nano LED? or whatever display technology might change things. I wish MB used OLED displays in these cars, the LCD with the light bleed at night really makes it look cheap.
My plan is to keep the S580 until I am thoroughly convinced the electric is the way to go. I purchased this one and may buy the extended warranty if maintenance concerns develop.
I do have the concern for its electronics. Our GLS580 just had its computer replaced (warranty) and now I’m a bit concerned with the longevity of the MB electronics.
We love the GLS580. It has three rows of seats, which provide seating for 6 of us and our 2 grandsons are directed to those. My son-in-law has sat in the 3rd row, it is tight back there but has a bit more room than the BMW X7 as a comparison. The GLS580 is large but smooth, quiet and great power. We did test drive the GLS450.
The old geezer getting out of the Ferrari is quite hilarious! I do have a friend with a Porsche Turbo who also has difficulty getting out it, but not quite that much difficulty. I like the convenience of setting my coffee cup on the pavement without leaning over, the Porsche, especially the Turbo, is quite fun to drive.
As a last comment, for those of you who have leased, before the lease turn-in, check with a private auto dealer as to the value of the car compared to its residual. My neighbor received $7,000 over residual selling his to a dealer rather than going the usual turn-in route. Keep in mind that you do NOT have to turn it into a MB dealer. The MB has held value better than some competitors.
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Originally Posted by kenromero
My plan is to keep the S580 until I am thoroughly convinced the electric is the way to go. I purchased this one and may buy the extended warranty if maintenance concerns develop.
I do have the concern for its electronics. Our GLS580 just had its computer replaced (warranty) and now I’m a bit concerned with the longevity of the MB electronics.
We love the GLS580. It has three rows of seats, which provide seating for 6 of us and our 2 grandsons are directed to those. My son-in-law has sat in the 3rd row, it is tight back there but has a bit more room than the BMW X7 as a comparison. The GLS580 is large but smooth, quiet and great power. We did test drive the GLS450.
The old geezer getting out of the Ferrari is quite hilarious! I do have a friend with a Porsche Turbo who also has difficulty getting out it, but not quite that much difficulty. I like the convenience of setting my coffee cup on the pavement without leaning over, the Porsche, especially the Turbo, is quite fun to drive.
As a last comment, for those of you who have leased, before the lease turn-in, check with a private auto dealer as to the value of the car compared to its residual. My neighbor received $7,000 over residual selling his to a dealer rather than going the usual turn-in route. Keep in mind that you do NOT have to turn it into a MB dealer. The MB has held value better than some competitors.
Ya that is the way to go, need to wait till the infrastructure is good enough to sustain all the electric vehicles.
Ya that is the way to go, need to wait till the infrastructure is good enough to sustain all the electric vehicles.
Really depends on your use case. Sure if you are doing a lot of over the road driving then it well might be advisable to wait for improvements in the infrastructure. For local driving where your charging is primarily done at home I don't see the need to wait.
Really depends on your use case. Sure if you are doing a lot of over the road driving then it well might be advisable to wait for improvements in the infrastructure. For local driving where your charging is primarily done at home I don't see the need to wait.
Local driving probably refers to those folks living in a large metropolitan area (eg NYC Manhattan). But, for a large metro area, I bet there are way more people living in condos and apartments than in their own 'single family house'. The former most often does not allow one to setup his own charger while it is much easier and common for the latter.
So, is this a catch-22 situation or not? ie those who do most local driving are the ones who do not have charging at home.
Just did a quick search. In the US, about 30-35% of the population live in condos/apartments while the majority live in single family house.
PS Another reason for waiting perhaps is the cost-to-performance ratio. EVs are still pretty much in the infancy stage. Battery technology is evolving fairly fast. So, in the longer run, battery performance (yielding longer range and faster charging time...etc) will improve while the car cost would go down. I suppose, unless one wants to be an 'early adopter' to experience this new tech, one might better hold off a bit longer. Of course, there are other factors too.
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Originally Posted by MBNUT1
Really depends on your use case. Sure if you are doing a lot of over the road driving then it well might be advisable to wait for improvements in the infrastructure. For local driving where your charging is primarily done at home I don't see the need to wait.
Local driving probably refers to those folks living in a large metropolitan area (eg NYC Manhattan). But, for a large metro area, I bet there are way more people living in condos and apartments than in their own 'single family house'. The former most often does not allow one to setup his own charger while it is much easier and common for the latter.
So, is this a catch-22 situation or not? ie those who do most local driving are the ones who do not have charging at home.
Just did a quick search. In the US, about 30-35% of the population live in condos/apartments while the majority live in single family house.
PS Another reason for waiting perhaps is the cost-to-performance ratio. EVs are still pretty much in the infancy stage. Battery technology is evolving fairly fast. So, in the longer run, battery performance (yielding longer range and faster charging time...etc) will improve while the car cost would go down. I suppose, unless one wants to be an 'early adopter' to experience this new tech, one might better hold off a bit longer. Of course, there are other factors too.
Yes my answer was a US centric one. The vast majority of folks on this forum would likely live in single family homes.
True on the technology evolution, then it comes down to a short term cost / benefit trade. We just bought an EV and aren't worried about the next technology as it fits our use case perfectly. My wife is happy to never have to go to a gas station again. I don't see a lot of early adopters of Iphones wishing they had waited longer.
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