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07-01-2023, 06:08 PM
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I used to drive the X7 M50i as my daily vehicle. Considering @Streamliner discerning tastes (as evident from his forum posts), I must say that based on my experience with the X7 and S-Class, the X7 falls short in terms of luxury and he won't like it.
My X7 came with the Dynamic Handling Package, which BMW claims** to be the equivalent of Mercedes-Benz's 4Matic non-AMG W222. However, the driving experience of the X7 is nowhere near as refined compared to S-class but for sure much better than 95% of other vehicles around.. The interior and quality of materials are simply not on par in the X7 if compared to the S-class. It's worth noting that the X7 is considered a downgrade from the 7 Series (a fact widely recognized and accepted by BMW owners), so naturally, it also falls short when compared to the S-Class. Also, it's sad that BMW does not offer a GLS Maybach equivalent for the X7; they only provide the Alpina, which focuses on enhanced performance rather than the luxurious upgrades found in the Maybach GLS.
On a positive note, the X7 is a very nice SUV, and its engine is remarkably responsive and enjoyable to drive, surpassing the S-Class in this aspect, and might be a better vehicle for some of the average S-class consumers... However, I don't think that the X7 match up to the level of luxury and (refinement) that someone like Streamliner specifically needs. I kinda share similar view too. Range Rover is a much safer option in my view when it's running fine [but again, imagine how many threads streamliner would write in the first 1-2 years of ownership with regards to reliability and maintenance issues : )))))).]
My X7 came with the Dynamic Handling Package, which BMW claims** to be the equivalent of Mercedes-Benz's 4Matic non-AMG W222. However, the driving experience of the X7 is nowhere near as refined compared to S-class but for sure much better than 95% of other vehicles around.. The interior and quality of materials are simply not on par in the X7 if compared to the S-class. It's worth noting that the X7 is considered a downgrade from the 7 Series (a fact widely recognized and accepted by BMW owners), so naturally, it also falls short when compared to the S-Class. Also, it's sad that BMW does not offer a GLS Maybach equivalent for the X7; they only provide the Alpina, which focuses on enhanced performance rather than the luxurious upgrades found in the Maybach GLS.
On a positive note, the X7 is a very nice SUV, and its engine is remarkably responsive and enjoyable to drive, surpassing the S-Class in this aspect, and might be a better vehicle for some of the average S-class consumers... However, I don't think that the X7 match up to the level of luxury and (refinement) that someone like Streamliner specifically needs. I kinda share similar view too. Range Rover is a much safer option in my view when it's running fine [but again, imagine how many threads streamliner would write in the first 1-2 years of ownership with regards to reliability and maintenance issues : )))))).]
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07-01-2023, 06:38 PM
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All of the faux M’s or RS’s, sans the faux AMG, are essentially the base model with big engines. The fake AMGs (i.e., 53), however, have the same ultra stiff suspension as the 63 but with a weakling engine. It makes no sense.
BMW and Audi’s fake formula makes a lot more sense than what MB is doing. The only reason I can think of why MB punishes the faux AMG buyers is to compensate for the lame engines, weak HP and pathetic 0-60 times the 53’s have versus the M50s and S’s.
BMW and Audi’s fake formula makes a lot more sense than what MB is doing. The only reason I can think of why MB punishes the faux AMG buyers is to compensate for the lame engines, weak HP and pathetic 0-60 times the 53’s have versus the M50s and S’s.
07-01-2023, 10:20 PM
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I'm not saying for rides, I'm just saying the looks and sound. Stream doesn't strike me as the guy who wants a performance V8 exhaust and sporty aggressive look inside and out. Like I said, this is the same man who can't stand the AMG-Line for the S-Class. And if anything, he would take an A8 over the SQ8 in most cases.
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07-02-2023, 10:15 AM
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Fair enough, I too would not have any confidence with the events you experienced, again sorry that you had to deal with that. Hope the pain ends soon.
07-02-2023, 11:54 AM
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I have a Genesis dealer who has agreed to let me do a 6 hour test drive in a new Supercharged G90. I want to take it over my daily commute a few times and see how I like it. If I do like it, I may go that way, but I’m also looking at CPO & even non-CPO used cars. As another member posted, I am just not excited about anything new that is currently on the market. I will try to test drive a new Cayenne as well.
07-02-2023, 11:55 AM
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07-02-2023, 11:57 AM
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Then take the Genesis!!! It's not like losing the whole world will suffer!!!! Report to us your experience! If you don't like it, ...trade! I can assure us your assessment will be accepted. I am willing to change brands based on your personal experience. I too will change for the better. We are like brothers. I believe you. I've been there! MB has failed. Let's not forget that. It's not your fault, it's not my fault. Move on to the better. Audi, Bentley, BMW, Genesis, Rolls, Cadillac, who knows what? Just find what makes you happy and I'm there for you. And if you swap from MB, we will still listen to you as we are all car fanatics.
07-02-2023, 11:58 AM
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They even said they haven't tested or developed it enough after all those years even when the car was released.
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07-02-2023, 12:06 PM
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I used to drive the X7 M50i as my daily vehicle. Considering @Streamliner discerning tastes (as evident from his forum posts), I must say that based on my experience with the X7 and S-Class, the X7 falls short in terms of luxury and he won't like it.
My X7 came with the Dynamic Handling Package, which BMW claims** to be the equivalent of Mercedes-Benz's 4Matic non-AMG W222. However, the driving experience of the X7 is nowhere near as refined compared to S-class but for sure much better than 95% of other vehicles around.. The interior and quality of materials are simply not on par in the X7 if compared to the S-class. It's worth noting that the X7 is considered a downgrade from the 7 Series (a fact widely recognized and accepted by BMW owners), so naturally, it also falls short when compared to the S-Class. Also, it's sad that BMW does not offer a GLS Maybach equivalent for the X7; they only provide the Alpina, which focuses on enhanced performance rather than the luxurious upgrades found in the Maybach GLS.
On a positive note, the X7 is a very nice SUV, and its engine is remarkably responsive and enjoyable to drive, surpassing the S-Class in this aspect, and might be a better vehicle for some of the average S-class consumers... However, I don't think that the X7 match up to the level of luxury and (refinement) that someone like Streamliner specifically needs. I kinda share similar view too. Range Rover is a much safer option in my view when it's running fine [but again, imagine how many threads streamliner would write in the first 1-2 years of ownership with regards to reliability and maintenance issues : )))))).]
My X7 came with the Dynamic Handling Package, which BMW claims** to be the equivalent of Mercedes-Benz's 4Matic non-AMG W222. However, the driving experience of the X7 is nowhere near as refined compared to S-class but for sure much better than 95% of other vehicles around.. The interior and quality of materials are simply not on par in the X7 if compared to the S-class. It's worth noting that the X7 is considered a downgrade from the 7 Series (a fact widely recognized and accepted by BMW owners), so naturally, it also falls short when compared to the S-Class. Also, it's sad that BMW does not offer a GLS Maybach equivalent for the X7; they only provide the Alpina, which focuses on enhanced performance rather than the luxurious upgrades found in the Maybach GLS.
On a positive note, the X7 is a very nice SUV, and its engine is remarkably responsive and enjoyable to drive, surpassing the S-Class in this aspect, and might be a better vehicle for some of the average S-class consumers... However, I don't think that the X7 match up to the level of luxury and (refinement) that someone like Streamliner specifically needs. I kinda share similar view too. Range Rover is a much safer option in my view when it's running fine [but again, imagine how many threads streamliner would write in the first 1-2 years of ownership with regards to reliability and maintenance issues : )))))).]
I guess the thing is BMW has Rolls-Royce so they don't need a Maybach competitor (other than price of course) plus BMW always is a sporty brand with the slogan of "the Ultimate Driving Machine" so the Alpina makes sense.
07-02-2023, 12:08 PM
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All of the faux M’s or RS’s, sans the faux AMG, are essentially the base model with big engines. The fake AMGs (i.e., 53), however, have the same ultra stiff suspension as the 63 but with a weakling engine. It makes no sense.
BMW and Audi’s fake formula makes a lot more sense than what MB is doing. The only reason I can think of why MB punishes the faux AMG buyers is to compensate for the lame engines, weak HP and pathetic 0-60 times the 53’s have versus the M50s and S’s.
BMW and Audi’s fake formula makes a lot more sense than what MB is doing. The only reason I can think of why MB punishes the faux AMG buyers is to compensate for the lame engines, weak HP and pathetic 0-60 times the 53’s have versus the M50s and S’s.
07-02-2023, 12:09 PM
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I'm not saying for rides, I'm just saying the looks and sound. Stream doesn't strike me as the guy who wants a performance V8 exhaust and sporty aggressive look inside and out. Like I said, this is the same man who can't stand the AMG-Line for the S-Class. And if anything, he would take an A8 over the SQ8 in most cases.
I do think OP will have problems with the sporty touches to the exterior and interior though, you are right.
07-02-2023, 02:46 PM
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I used to drive the X7 M50i as my daily vehicle. Considering @Streamliner discerning tastes (as evident from his forum posts), I must say that based on my experience with the X7 and S-Class, the X7 falls short in terms of luxury and he won't like it.
My X7 came with the Dynamic Handling Package, which BMW claims** to be the equivalent of Mercedes-Benz's 4Matic non-AMG W222. However, the driving experience of the X7 is nowhere near as refined compared to S-class but for sure much better than 95% of other vehicles around.. The interior and quality of materials are simply not on par in the X7 if compared to the S-class. It's worth noting that the X7 is considered a downgrade from the 7 Series (a fact widely recognized and accepted by BMW owners), so naturally, it also falls short when compared to the S-Class. Also, it's sad that BMW does not offer a GLS Maybach equivalent for the X7; they only provide the Alpina, which focuses on enhanced performance rather than the luxurious upgrades found in the Maybach GLS.
On a positive note, the X7 is a very nice SUV, and its engine is remarkably responsive and enjoyable to drive, surpassing the S-Class in this aspect, and might be a better vehicle for some of the average S-class consumers... However, I don't think that the X7 match up to the level of luxury and (refinement) that someone like Streamliner specifically needs. I kinda share similar view too. Range Rover is a much safer option in my view when it's running fine [but again, imagine how many threads streamliner would write in the first 1-2 years of ownership with regards to reliability and maintenance issues : )))))).]
My X7 came with the Dynamic Handling Package, which BMW claims** to be the equivalent of Mercedes-Benz's 4Matic non-AMG W222. However, the driving experience of the X7 is nowhere near as refined compared to S-class but for sure much better than 95% of other vehicles around.. The interior and quality of materials are simply not on par in the X7 if compared to the S-class. It's worth noting that the X7 is considered a downgrade from the 7 Series (a fact widely recognized and accepted by BMW owners), so naturally, it also falls short when compared to the S-Class. Also, it's sad that BMW does not offer a GLS Maybach equivalent for the X7; they only provide the Alpina, which focuses on enhanced performance rather than the luxurious upgrades found in the Maybach GLS.
On a positive note, the X7 is a very nice SUV, and its engine is remarkably responsive and enjoyable to drive, surpassing the S-Class in this aspect, and might be a better vehicle for some of the average S-class consumers... However, I don't think that the X7 match up to the level of luxury and (refinement) that someone like Streamliner specifically needs. I kinda share similar view too. Range Rover is a much safer option in my view when it's running fine [but again, imagine how many threads streamliner would write in the first 1-2 years of ownership with regards to reliability and maintenance issues : )))))).]
Its hard to go from an S Class to anything...
07-02-2023, 05:29 PM
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Well sure, its not an S Class...but its something different for him to try since he's not happy with the W223 S Class. SUVs are always a step down in many ways from the comparable sedan, the X7 and GLS are considerably cheaper than a 7 or S despite being much larger and costing more in raw materials to manufacture, something has to give.
Its hard to go from an S Class to anything...
Its hard to go from an S Class to anything...
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07-02-2023, 06:59 PM
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Reliability is why I have never gotten one...
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07-03-2023, 03:33 PM
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I drove a Kia Telluride today...I gotta say, its damn nice...we drove the GLS beforehand and I said to my wife, remember this is literally 1/2 the cost. HALF.
So I would be really interested to drive a G90
So I would be really interested to drive a G90
07-04-2023, 08:05 AM
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07-04-2023, 08:25 AM
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Interesting offerings from BMW and Genesis these days.
MB reliability is utter rubbish. Porsche prices are pretty salty. This creates market opportunities for BMW and Genesis to exploit...
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07-04-2023, 08:58 AM
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The issue with Porsche is cost, sport bias and an aesthetic I personally don't care for (too cold, teutonic). Issue with BMW is they're styling is out of control and right now almost all their cars are really ugly IMO, although they are extremely nice inside, drive great, have great tech and are reliable. Mercedes makes beautiful cars that drive great and are nice inside, but reliability is very uneven. Lexus is a shell of its former self making all low end transverse cars and they have abandoned the upper end almost entirely. Genesis is making a super compelling product but the dealer experience is nonexistent. Frustrating time to be into luxury cars IMO.
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07-04-2023, 01:23 PM
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07-04-2023, 03:31 PM
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I guess it is true too for MB in terms of GLS is a downgrade from the S-Class.
I guess the thing is BMW has Rolls-Royce so they don't need a Maybach competitor (other than price of course) plus BMW always is a sporty brand with the slogan of "the Ultimate Driving Machine" so the Alpina makes sense.
I guess the thing is BMW has Rolls-Royce so they don't need a Maybach competitor (other than price of course) plus BMW always is a sporty brand with the slogan of "the Ultimate Driving Machine" so the Alpina makes sense.
Furthermore the Cullinan does not share a platform with the pedestrian X7. Unlike MB’s amateurish attempt with a Maybach based on a 167 platform.
07-04-2023, 03:41 PM
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