My S580 STRANDED ME!
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30+ years is long enough to make the statement that this is not a new situation.
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Agreed that the 222 is a fantastic car. If Lexus still made a car like the LS400 (a car that that wowed me) Streamliner would have no choice to make in what's next. My comment on where Lexus is, has nothing to do with quality. It has to do with what they have on offer at the high end, or lack thereof. I'll add that if you don't care about a badge, Genesis could be compelling.
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Besides possible inherent issue with your particular car, another possible cause of this warning message is, perhaps, your style of driving.
If your car has lots of short trips of 5-mile driving, the alternator just does not have enough time to charge the battery, which is normally constantly discharging.
So, it is good habit to drive such a car for an hour or so at highway speed on a weekly basis.
Anyway, if the warning message ever does come up, try to find a safe spot (eg in a shopping centre parking lot or gas station or even in an emergency lane (if safely)), put the car in Park. Do not turn off engine. Turn off power consuming things like headlight, A/C, heated seats, music, charging phone...etc. Let the car engine running for 10 or 20 minutes. The message should reset itself.
If your car has lots of short trips of 5-mile driving, the alternator just does not have enough time to charge the battery, which is normally constantly discharging.
So, it is good habit to drive such a car for an hour or so at highway speed on a weekly basis.
Anyway, if the warning message ever does come up, try to find a safe spot (eg in a shopping centre parking lot or gas station or even in an emergency lane (if safely)), put the car in Park. Do not turn off engine. Turn off power consuming things like headlight, A/C, heated seats, music, charging phone...etc. Let the car engine running for 10 or 20 minutes. The message should reset itself.
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Agreed that the 222 is a fantastic car. If Lexus still made a car like the LS400 (a car that that wowed me) Streamliner would have no choice to make in what's next. My comment on where Lexus is, has nothing to do with quality. It has to do with what they have on offer at the high end, or lack thereof. I'll add that if you don't care about a badge, Genesis could be compelling.
Genesis is compelling but you lose out on all the trappings of a luxury purchase...
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Agreed that the 222 is a fantastic car. If Lexus still made a car like the LS400 (a car that that wowed me) Streamliner would have no choice to make in what's next. My comment on where Lexus is, has nothing to do with quality. It has to do with what they have on offer at the high end, or lack thereof. I'll add that if you don't care about a badge, Genesis could be compelling.
The one thing that keeps bothering me about Genesis, is their lack of stand alone dealerships. They are just starting to build some and when they do, I just may go that way.
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I agree with you about the W222’s. Wonderful cars.
I disagree with your suggestion about putting my S580 on a trickle charger. I drive the car every day, usually getting it up to 50mph on my five mile commute to my office. I take it to lunch every day, maybe run to the post office and then drive it home. I would call that pretty normal use and the car should be designed to handle that. Putting it on a trickle charger may cure the problem, but it’s not what I signed up for when I leased the car. In my particular case, since I am SO hoping that my car will be bought back by MBUSA, I will not lift a finger to help them out with their poorly engineered car. If the W223’s were engineered to require driving habits different from those of previous S Class models, they should have warned me of that fact, before they leased me the car. I didn’t lease a “plug-in” vehicle.
I disagree with your suggestion about putting my S580 on a trickle charger. I drive the car every day, usually getting it up to 50mph on my five mile commute to my office. I take it to lunch every day, maybe run to the post office and then drive it home. I would call that pretty normal use and the car should be designed to handle that. Putting it on a trickle charger may cure the problem, but it’s not what I signed up for when I leased the car. In my particular case, since I am SO hoping that my car will be bought back by MBUSA, I will not lift a finger to help them out with their poorly engineered car. If the W223’s were engineered to require driving habits different from those of previous S Class models, they should have warned me of that fact, before they leased me the car. I didn’t lease a “plug-in” vehicle.
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Getting towed sucks. Glad your okay. My Spidy Senses tingled when I got my first battery warning message. This quote is from one of my earlier posts:
Yes: lock you vehicle, put your key(s) into a Faraday case, shut off the auto stop-start, don't "glide", run vehicle in sport engine and transmission mode to keep the engine/ charging speed up, take trips longer than 30 minutes above idle, feather your braking so that the regenerative charging kicks in earlier and check the multitude of ground connections in the engine bay as some earlier production runs painted over the studs and counted on star washers to cut through the paint= bad grounds. These will help maintain the charging system in a vehicle that has a very high operating current draw on both batteries." Heck I do all that & still get the basic battery warning occasionally if I'm farting around in the driveway with the engine off, doors & trunk open and the radio on.
I agree MB should have a warning about avoiding multiple short trips but then they couldn't sell the cars like they are having some issues selling all EV's due to lack of range. Not sure about your state, but I thought it usually takes 3 or more similar failures or multiple extended times at the dealership to get a buy-back started in the court system. I hope they sort it out for you.
Yes: lock you vehicle, put your key(s) into a Faraday case, shut off the auto stop-start, don't "glide", run vehicle in sport engine and transmission mode to keep the engine/ charging speed up, take trips longer than 30 minutes above idle, feather your braking so that the regenerative charging kicks in earlier and check the multitude of ground connections in the engine bay as some earlier production runs painted over the studs and counted on star washers to cut through the paint= bad grounds. These will help maintain the charging system in a vehicle that has a very high operating current draw on both batteries." Heck I do all that & still get the basic battery warning occasionally if I'm farting around in the driveway with the engine off, doors & trunk open and the radio on.
I agree MB should have a warning about avoiding multiple short trips but then they couldn't sell the cars like they are having some issues selling all EV's due to lack of range. Not sure about your state, but I thought it usually takes 3 or more similar failures or multiple extended times at the dealership to get a buy-back started in the court system. I hope they sort it out for you.
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I agree I would not be happy about the situation that occurred but.......
Cars are very technical and mechanical machines and things go wrong. It sucks when they do and when you spend over six figures it sucks even more. If in all those years and all those cars you have never had anything go wrong where you were stuck I think you should run and by a lottery ticket as that seams very unlikely.
MB isn't going to buy a car back do to one incident and its ridiculous that anyone would think that. You hate the car and that is why your so upset. Why not just get rid of it as you hint that you have more than enough money? Just get something else why suffer through this lease if your in the position you state you are?
Again, it sucks what happened and yes that is a very busy area but you have to be a little understanding but the bigger issue which is your dislike for the car is what is driving your anger in this situation. By the way MB ElCajon has one of the best service departments. They are a smaller dealer but their customer service is top notch. Bought a G wagon and had it serviced there even when I lived almost an hour away.
Funny as I came on here to post my bad experience buying a new S class and I agree that MB no longer is a luxury car dealer they are a mid range dealership as that is their bread and butter. They are not interested in the lower volume S class buyer anymore and their service departments are geared up to service $50-75k cars not $150k cars and yes, their should be different service and customer care like there used to be.
Cars are very technical and mechanical machines and things go wrong. It sucks when they do and when you spend over six figures it sucks even more. If in all those years and all those cars you have never had anything go wrong where you were stuck I think you should run and by a lottery ticket as that seams very unlikely.
MB isn't going to buy a car back do to one incident and its ridiculous that anyone would think that. You hate the car and that is why your so upset. Why not just get rid of it as you hint that you have more than enough money? Just get something else why suffer through this lease if your in the position you state you are?
Again, it sucks what happened and yes that is a very busy area but you have to be a little understanding but the bigger issue which is your dislike for the car is what is driving your anger in this situation. By the way MB ElCajon has one of the best service departments. They are a smaller dealer but their customer service is top notch. Bought a G wagon and had it serviced there even when I lived almost an hour away.
Funny as I came on here to post my bad experience buying a new S class and I agree that MB no longer is a luxury car dealer they are a mid range dealership as that is their bread and butter. They are not interested in the lower volume S class buyer anymore and their service departments are geared up to service $50-75k cars not $150k cars and yes, their should be different service and customer care like there used to be.
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Yes: lock you vehicle, put your key(s) into a Faraday case, shut off the auto stop-start, don't "glide", run vehicle in sport engine and transmission mode to keep the engine/ charging speed up, take trips longer than 30 minutes above idle, feather your braking so that the regenerative charging kicks in earlier and check the multitude of ground connections in the engine bay as some earlier production runs painted over the studs and counted on star washers to cut through the paint= bad grounds. These will help maintain the charging system in a vehicle that has a very high operating current draw on both batteries." Heck I do all that & still get the basic battery warning occasionally if I'm farting around in the driveway with the engine off, doors & trunk open and the radio on.
Cars are very technical and mechanical machines and things go wrong. It sucks when they do and when you spend over six figures it sucks even more. If in all those years and all those cars you have never had anything go wrong where you were stuck I think you should run and by a lottery ticket as that seams very unlikely.
MB isn't going to buy a car back do to one incident and its ridiculous that anyone would think that. You hate the car and that is why your so upset. Why not just get rid of it as you hint that you have more than enough money? Just get something else why suffer through this lease if your in the position you state you are?
Again, it sucks what happened and yes that is a very busy area but you have to be a little understanding but the bigger issue which is your dislike for the car is what is driving your anger in this situation. By the way MB ElCajon has one of the best service departments. They are a smaller dealer but their customer service is top notch. Bought a G wagon and had it serviced there even when I lived almost an hour away.
Our Chrysler Pacifica was dead in the garage a couple months ago and had to be towed, and I am actively shopping for its replacement. 24,000 miles on it, its as good as gone. When I buy new cars I expect them to not leave me stranded.
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my vehicle is an ukrainian benz, lately mercedes is just locking the russian , belarussian , ukrainian vehicles out of nowhere. and my vehicle also got disabled by mb. its totally bull****.
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I don’t understand what you are saying. Please elaborate. I’m sure folks in other parts of the world would like to know exactly what you are going through.
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If a car left you stranded you would want it gone??? What? Never had a flat or dead battery? How would that volume work out for the dealer?
My brand new S Class in Del Mar in front of an outdoor restaurant refused to close its trunk opening and closing in front of everyone who laughed and cheered when it finally closed. It was embarrassing but I simply had them pick up the car and had it fixed. Its took 4x's. Things happen.
I have zero issue with OP but he doesn't want the car and if its that obvious to a casual poster like me imagine how the dealers knows this?
If the car did this several times I 100% agree. The bigger issue here is you can see his loyalty to the dealer and how dealer customer service just doesn't exist anymore. Delears and their staff like all sales based jobs today think we should chase them do to COVID. They don't have t do anything to gain the sale. I laugh when people say how many cars they have bought and how MB treats them as its all BS they do not care your just a phone call and if you think otherwise your delusional. Yes, they love you to you have an issue the your just a regular person and it took me hundreds of thousands to figure that out.
Its not the time off the road its the amount of occurrences and time but him knowing this and having done int before seams like what he is trying to achieve here? He doesn't like the car so trade it in take the loss and move on. The car is not going to change and teh dealer won't change ehwo they are treating him.
I just had a horrendous MB dealer incident trying to buy a new S and honestly I am done as I see zero reason anymore to buy one besides ego.
OP is 100% correct in being upset and being upset with how he has been treated but he can easily walk away. I have and it really isn't all that bad. Once MY G wagon is gone I doubt I will ever step foot in a MB dealership again unless I am buying a mid range car as that is what they excel at now.
My brand new S Class in Del Mar in front of an outdoor restaurant refused to close its trunk opening and closing in front of everyone who laughed and cheered when it finally closed. It was embarrassing but I simply had them pick up the car and had it fixed. Its took 4x's. Things happen.
I have zero issue with OP but he doesn't want the car and if its that obvious to a casual poster like me imagine how the dealers knows this?
If the car did this several times I 100% agree. The bigger issue here is you can see his loyalty to the dealer and how dealer customer service just doesn't exist anymore. Delears and their staff like all sales based jobs today think we should chase them do to COVID. They don't have t do anything to gain the sale. I laugh when people say how many cars they have bought and how MB treats them as its all BS they do not care your just a phone call and if you think otherwise your delusional. Yes, they love you to you have an issue the your just a regular person and it took me hundreds of thousands to figure that out.
Its not the time off the road its the amount of occurrences and time but him knowing this and having done int before seams like what he is trying to achieve here? He doesn't like the car so trade it in take the loss and move on. The car is not going to change and teh dealer won't change ehwo they are treating him.
I just had a horrendous MB dealer incident trying to buy a new S and honestly I am done as I see zero reason anymore to buy one besides ego.
OP is 100% correct in being upset and being upset with how he has been treated but he can easily walk away. I have and it really isn't all that bad. Once MY G wagon is gone I doubt I will ever step foot in a MB dealership again unless I am buying a mid range car as that is what they excel at now.
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DABRONX, I hear you, but this car has become sort of a “hobby” with me. The car has not been right since I got it and in some ways, it seems to be getting worse, evidenced by this latest fiasco with it leaving me stranded in the middle of a busy highway. It’s by far the worst thing it has done and I believe it could be the proverbial “straw” that gets a buy-back really moving along. Could I simply dump it, take the $30K or so loss and move on? Yes, I could, but I’m not going to.
What I may be able to afford has nothing to do with it. I come from a lower middle class family. My dad was the youngest of ten children with not enough to eat. As an adult, providing for his family, he bought the ugliest, oddest model used cars that nobody else wanted, so he could spend as little as possible on them. As successful as I have been, I remember where I came from and I’m not throwing $30K away if I don’t have to. I take it personally that this S580 of mine is not right and that MB doesn’t seem interested in making it right. So, we will see how this plays out.![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
What I may be able to afford has nothing to do with it. I come from a lower middle class family. My dad was the youngest of ten children with not enough to eat. As an adult, providing for his family, he bought the ugliest, oddest model used cars that nobody else wanted, so he could spend as little as possible on them. As successful as I have been, I remember where I came from and I’m not throwing $30K away if I don’t have to. I take it personally that this S580 of mine is not right and that MB doesn’t seem interested in making it right. So, we will see how this plays out.
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Streamliner did not have a dead battery, his car died on him in the middle of a busy road putting him and his family in danger and they don't yet know why it happened. Thats a completely different thing.
My brand new S Class in Del Mar in front of an outdoor restaurant refused to close its trunk opening and closing in front of everyone who laughed and cheered when it finally closed. It was embarrassing but I simply had them pick up the car and had it fixed. Its took 4x's. Things happen.
Why should he take the loss when he is well on his way to a buyback? His other buyback was because the car had a transmission issue that they could not fix. I see nothing wrong with demanding excellence from a Mercedes S Class.
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DABRONX, I hear you, but this car has become sort of a “hobby” with me. The car has not been right since I got it and in some ways, it seems to be getting worse, evidenced by this latest fiasco with it leaving me stranded in the middle of a busy highway. It’s by far the worst thing it has done and I believe it could be the proverbial “straw” that gets a buy-back really moving along. Could I simply dump it, take the $30K or so loss and move on? Yes, I could, but I’m not going to.
What I may be able to afford has nothing to do with it. I come from a lower middle class family. My dad was the youngest of ten children with not enough to eat. As an adult, providing for his family, he bought the ugliest, oddest model used cars that nobody else wanted, so he could spend as little as possible on them. As successful as I have been, I remember where I came from and I’m not throwing $30K away if I don’t have to. I take it personally that this S580 of mine is not right and that MB doesn’t seem interested in making it right. So, we will see how this plays out.![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
What I may be able to afford has nothing to do with it. I come from a lower middle class family. My dad was the youngest of ten children with not enough to eat. As an adult, providing for his family, he bought the ugliest, oddest model used cars that nobody else wanted, so he could spend as little as possible on them. As successful as I have been, I remember where I came from and I’m not throwing $30K away if I don’t have to. I take it personally that this S580 of mine is not right and that MB doesn’t seem interested in making it right. So, we will see how this plays out.
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Im not trying to put water on your excitement that MB will buy this car back and I don’t know how exactly the Lemon law works in California. However, I would be quite surprised if they do buy it back. While what happened to you is unacceptable and very serious, I doubt they will step up to the plate as they would be setting a precedent which could cost them quite a bit in the future.
Health and a good state of mind have an intangible value IMHO. 30k appears to be non material to you from a financial point of view and the W222 you would buy has already taken a depreciation hit and future depreciation is mitigated vis a vis continuing to hold on to your S580. You’re already getting your 30k back.
Also find a different hobby…hobbies should be beneficial to one’s state of being not detrimental!!
You need to focus on what’s important and it’s time to MOVE ON.
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Streamliner....I here you and I am the exact same way and come from similar background to where I am today. Life is short and to me I would rather be happy.
There are so many super low mile s560's I would keep your eye out. I just passed on a custom ordered British racing green with under 10k on the clock I hated the interior.
I love looking on Autortrader at say 2020 and down and put a filter at 15k on miles and I am always blown away with what comes up. There was one with approx 3xx yes 300 something miles but not sure of colors.
After car shopping this weekend I am so disgusted with the take it or leave it and the EV push I believe I am doing the same only with a M760 or Alpina. Not being in CA anymore sucks as the cars there even with 25k look like they are still brand new.
Good luck and I get it!
There are so many super low mile s560's I would keep your eye out. I just passed on a custom ordered British racing green with under 10k on the clock I hated the interior.
I love looking on Autortrader at say 2020 and down and put a filter at 15k on miles and I am always blown away with what comes up. There was one with approx 3xx yes 300 something miles but not sure of colors.
After car shopping this weekend I am so disgusted with the take it or leave it and the EV push I believe I am doing the same only with a M760 or Alpina. Not being in CA anymore sucks as the cars there even with 25k look like they are still brand new.
Good luck and I get it!
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Life is too short to stress over this car. I know that feeling and when I am very unhappy with a car I own, I just sell it and take a loss and move on. Did that with a POS 2011 BMW 5 series. Been with Audi for 20 years and its been great with 3 Audi A8s up to 2012 model and currently own a 2021 RS7. The S580 has been great so far despite some minor flaws but Ive grown to love it. I would consider the BMW I7 though. Otherwise the next generation Audi A8 which will be fully electric is another option.
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/04/21/...tric-flagship/
Life is too short to stress over this car. I know that feeling and when I am very unhappy with a car I own, I just sell it and take a loss and move on. Did that with a POS 2011 BMW 5 series. Been with Audi for 20 years and its been great with 3 Audi A8s up to 2012 model and currently own a 2021 RS7. The S580 has been great so far despite some minor flaws but Ive grown to love it. I would consider the BMW I7 though. Otherwise the next generation Audi A8 which will be fully electric is another option.
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/04/21/...tric-flagship/
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Stream, I appreciate your family background and the value of money and the principal involved. However, you don’t want to be “Dead right”. In other words you don’t want your being right (and I agree that you are correct), to harm your health or worse.
Im not trying to put water on your excitement that MB will buy this car back and I don’t know how exactly the Lemon law works in California. However, I would be quite surprised if they do buy it back. While what happened to you is unacceptable and very serious, I doubt they will step up to the plate as they would be setting a precedent which could cost them quite a bit in the future.
Health and a good state of mind have an intangible value IMHO. 30k appears to be non material to you from a financial point of view and the W222 you would buy has already taken a depreciation hit and future depreciation is mitigated vis a vis continuing to hold on to your S580. You’re already getting your 30k back.
Also find a different hobby…hobbies should be beneficial to one’s state of being not detrimental!!
You need to focus on what’s important and it’s time to MOVE ON.
Im not trying to put water on your excitement that MB will buy this car back and I don’t know how exactly the Lemon law works in California. However, I would be quite surprised if they do buy it back. While what happened to you is unacceptable and very serious, I doubt they will step up to the plate as they would be setting a precedent which could cost them quite a bit in the future.
Health and a good state of mind have an intangible value IMHO. 30k appears to be non material to you from a financial point of view and the W222 you would buy has already taken a depreciation hit and future depreciation is mitigated vis a vis continuing to hold on to your S580. You’re already getting your 30k back.
Also find a different hobby…hobbies should be beneficial to one’s state of being not detrimental!!
You need to focus on what’s important and it’s time to MOVE ON.
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Here's one but it's all the way across the country from you. Earlier today I almost was going to suggest you go back to the W222.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/26624026594...%7C1000%7C2500
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