Do you know why I should wait for the 2024 model?
05-07-2023, 02:20 AM
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I believe the 12V/48V issues are pretty wide-spread. According to this forum, a lot of owners have already encountered random battery drain or battery-related warnings on the road.
Right now the issue seems manageable - but bear in mind, batteries will eventually degrade, and whatever battery-drain issues and warnings you are seeing right now, will likely become more frequent down the road, as the battery wears out. Nobody knows, for certain, how the 12V/48V issue is going to manifest itself five years from now. And that worries me. What if I turn into another Streamliner, with my car suddenly stopping dead in the middle of the road, because of the battery? And what if it happens on highways, at 120km/h?...
Right now the issue seems manageable - but bear in mind, batteries will eventually degrade, and whatever battery-drain issues and warnings you are seeing right now, will likely become more frequent down the road, as the battery wears out. Nobody knows, for certain, how the 12V/48V issue is going to manifest itself five years from now. And that worries me. What if I turn into another Streamliner, with my car suddenly stopping dead in the middle of the road, because of the battery? And what if it happens on highways, at 120km/h?...
05-07-2023, 07:32 AM
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They make little improvements every year, so every year will be a better car than the year before...but there isn't anything coming in 2024 that would cause me to want to wait for one over buying a 2023 now.
You won't be able to go down to an E Class once you're used to the S Class...
You won't be able to go down to an E Class once you're used to the S Class...
Anyway, the '24 E looks promising check out Car & Driver if you haven't seen it. https://www.caranddriver.com/mercedes-benz/e-class
05-07-2023, 10:46 AM
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Anyway, the '24 E looks promising check out Car & Driver if you haven't seen it. https://www.caranddriver.com/mercedes-benz/e-class
05-07-2023, 01:47 PM
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Yeah, for luxury it would be hard for me to move away from a full size sedan. It's not the size, it's that they gimp the smaller cars. I like full on; gadgets, tech, luxury materials, there will be no skimping for me. If you could get the goods in a mid sized sedan I'd consider it.
05-07-2023, 03:27 PM
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The size is a big part of why they drive the way they drive though…
05-07-2023, 03:52 PM
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True, there's some give and take. The interesting thing here is that I drive quite a bit in the downtown area and the better maneuverability is the main benefit of a smaller footprint for me. The interesting part being that the 10 degree has really changed the game in that respect with this car. Not sure what I would think of it on a test drive if somebody actually made that smaller, but full fat car. *Shrugs*
05-07-2023, 07:38 PM
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True, there's some give and take. The interesting thing here is that I drive quite a bit in the downtown area and the better maneuverability is the main benefit of a smaller footprint for me. The interesting part being that the 10 degree has really changed the game in that respect with this car. Not sure what I would think of it on a test drive if somebody actually made that smaller, but full fat car. *Shrugs*
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05-09-2023, 07:14 PM
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Good point although not necessary a deal breaker (I think) as those can be swapped to aftermarkets post purchase, although if you have 10 degree rear wheel steering... then...
05-09-2023, 07:16 PM
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Yeah, I hate that volume slider too, very inprecise, blows my ears off evwrytime I try to up the volume by just one, ONE freaking increment...
Sadly this is not an area where I expect imminent improvement... Given how mercedes is now using practically the same wheel on ALL vehicle classes, obviously to save tooling costs, it is very unlikely they will shell out for a new wheel, untill the arrival of W224.
Before then, the only way to precisely adjust your volume on the go, will be the physical push buttons below the central screen. Which are very poorly positioned in terms of driver access.
Sadly this is not an area where I expect imminent improvement... Given how mercedes is now using practically the same wheel on ALL vehicle classes, obviously to save tooling costs, it is very unlikely they will shell out for a new wheel, untill the arrival of W224.
Before then, the only way to precisely adjust your volume on the go, will be the physical push buttons below the central screen. Which are very poorly positioned in terms of driver access.
05-09-2023, 07:22 PM
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Ever heard of Genesis, sir? 
I feel the Genesis G90 LWB is a better car for your demographic than the current S-class.
It is plain to see that MB has gone full-out Tesla with the W223, fitting it with every technological gadget they can find. In this process, they've sacrificed 90% of the physical buttons in this car, and used lots of plastic parts, which really impaired the interior build quality. Just try pressing down on any of the piano-black plastic trims in the cabin - those plastics are squeaky, even when new!
The Genesis G90, however, is a bit of an old-guard. Physical controls on the steering wheel and dashboard; solid interior that does not moan when touched with the slightest force; and lush materials throughout, on par with the highest-trimmed S class.
The G90 is lagging behind the current S-class in terms of technology. No AR HUD (just a regular HUD), smaller central screen, no gesture recognitions... But at 75, perhaps you could do without such gimmicks : )
I feel the Genesis G90 LWB is a better car for your demographic than the current S-class.
It is plain to see that MB has gone full-out Tesla with the W223, fitting it with every technological gadget they can find. In this process, they've sacrificed 90% of the physical buttons in this car, and used lots of plastic parts, which really impaired the interior build quality. Just try pressing down on any of the piano-black plastic trims in the cabin - those plastics are squeaky, even when new!
The Genesis G90, however, is a bit of an old-guard. Physical controls on the steering wheel and dashboard; solid interior that does not moan when touched with the slightest force; and lush materials throughout, on par with the highest-trimmed S class.
The G90 is lagging behind the current S-class in terms of technology. No AR HUD (just a regular HUD), smaller central screen, no gesture recognitions... But at 75, perhaps you could do without such gimmicks : )
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They make little improvements every year, so every year will be a better car than the year before...but there isn't anything coming in 2024 that would cause me to want to wait for one over buying a 2023 now.
You won't be able to go down to an E Class once you're used to the S Class...
You won't be able to go down to an E Class once you're used to the S Class...
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Kinda incredible how MB is still peddling those 21s, three years now since the model's initial launch, despite the thousands of complaints that have surely reached their headquarters long ago 
Considering how slow they take action on this 21-rim issue, I personally wouldn't put much faith in them fixing the 12V/48V problem. I really need concrete evidence to be convinced of its resolution.
Considering how slow they take action on this 21-rim issue, I personally wouldn't put much faith in them fixing the 12V/48V problem. I really need concrete evidence to be convinced of its resolution.
05-09-2023, 07:27 PM
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With cars there's always continues improvement over the model years as real world problems crop up and the manufacturers address them with new designs and such. Most people understand that especially the first model year usually has issues. By the second model year several of those should have been addressed, but IMO the best time to buy a car is at the midcycle refresh, which for the W223 should be in 2024 as a 2025 model. That's when they incorporate all their learnings into an overall improvement and address criticism from customers etc.
Most products including cars are released when they are good enough, but not necessarily fully baked yet, and customers are often beta testers. One common philosophy among us software developers is to never get the version 1 of a product. Always wait for version 2 or better yet version 3. That's when the kinks have usually been worked out. Version 1 is often a throwaway. You can see this with MBUX for example. MBUX 1.0 was honestly crap. It was and still is buggy. MBUX 2.0 in the W223 is an improvement, but still has issues. The interior was actually designed around the touchscreen and they addressed issues such as CarPlay/AA not being full screen in MBUX 1.0. I bet that MBUX 3.0 or whatever it's going to be in the FL W223 will finally nail it. Another issue is the ongoing problems they have with the 48V system. Eventually they'll sort that one out as well.
I've always bought the facelifts of any car I owned. At the midcycle the model is still fresh as the new generation is another 3-4 years away. The tech etc. generally gets updated and most of the issues the new model had during the first 3-4 years should be addressed with a more robust design.
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...lass-spy-shots
Most products including cars are released when they are good enough, but not necessarily fully baked yet, and customers are often beta testers. One common philosophy among us software developers is to never get the version 1 of a product. Always wait for version 2 or better yet version 3. That's when the kinks have usually been worked out. Version 1 is often a throwaway. You can see this with MBUX for example. MBUX 1.0 was honestly crap. It was and still is buggy. MBUX 2.0 in the W223 is an improvement, but still has issues. The interior was actually designed around the touchscreen and they addressed issues such as CarPlay/AA not being full screen in MBUX 1.0. I bet that MBUX 3.0 or whatever it's going to be in the FL W223 will finally nail it. Another issue is the ongoing problems they have with the 48V system. Eventually they'll sort that one out as well.
I've always bought the facelifts of any car I owned. At the midcycle the model is still fresh as the new generation is another 3-4 years away. The tech etc. generally gets updated and most of the issues the new model had during the first 3-4 years should be addressed with a more robust design.
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...lass-spy-shots
05-09-2023, 08:16 PM
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I've been assuming the S63 previews give a good idea of what to expect with the vanilla car. I sure don't see much there?
05-09-2023, 08:39 PM
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Not something for MB to be proud about for sure but the squeaky trim pieces even when new was a Mercedes thing for a long time now even those with a wood trims, multiple W222 owners reported this issue, forgot if W221 owners reported it, not sure when it started, W213 owners reported it a lot too, and understandably C-Class W205 owners as they have to cost cut somewhere... I guess.
05-10-2023, 12:30 AM
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Swapping out the 21s won't affect your 10 degree rear steering. In fact, while on 21s, your car will be limited to 4.5 degree, even if you have the 10 degree option, due to the excessive width of those 21s... To enable 10 degree rear steer, you NEED 19s or 20s.
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Oops got it backwards my bad I mean that makes sense come to think of it.
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Hopefully the facelift will at least dampen the squeaks if they introduce more felt or something in place of the gaps that allows room for trim pieces to move, not sure
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05-10-2023, 10:33 AM
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Couldn't agree more: Hated the cheap looking black plastic the first time I saw it and hated it in every car after. Yes, hate, not dislike. Hate, hate, hate it. Certainly a candidate for worst material in a car in my lifetime. Right up there with the fake plastic chrome that used to start peeling off after a year. Or the old people will remember the woven vinyl material used on the seats; think lawn chair. Break one strand and feces went to hell in a big hurry. There's probably more but that's off the top of my head.
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2023 EQE 500 SUV electric and 2024 Jaguar F-PACE SVR 5.0L
Yeah, I got all exited about level 3 autonomy that's supposedly available in the 2024 EQS but then read it only works on the highway at 40 MPH or less. WTF? That's completely useless to me since I don't commute to work. They should just call it Traffic Jam Assist.
05-10-2023, 11:02 AM
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Blame government regulations, they'll hopefully increase the speed once it proves itself. In Europe it's limited to 37mph for now, I think it's still the only car that's ever been approved for level 3 autonomy, ie its legal for you to not have to watch the road
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05-10-2023, 11:21 AM
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It's not just the speed, you also have to have the high detail mapping and regulatory approval. Considering matrix lighting is legal across the US and installed on these cars. It's been for long enough that you'd think new cars would have it turned on and sold cars could get it enabled but no, you cant without going aftermarket coding I'm not holding my breath on something that still has many hoops to jump. Maybe the 2030 S-Class will have a drive pilot you can actually use but a 24... I'm guessing the entire lease may transpire without ever being able to turn it on in some areas of the US.
