Do you know why I should wait for the 2024 model?
Thread Starter
Junior Member
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 42
Likes: 6
From: Florida
2020 560S
Do you know why I should wait for the 2024 model?
Have an opportunity to pick up a 2023 S however, wondering if I should wait for the 2024 in a few months. Any news of improvements coming?
Thank You
Thank You
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 2,296
Likes: 1,481
23 S580 Executive
It sounds like drive pilot may be available. That's the new duper cruise control that only works at slow speeds on freeways in some other country than the one you're in. If you do order a 24 you will be looking at somewhere towards mid-October or later to get the car. That's a realistic guess but on the shorter, nothing went wrong, side. It could take longer, bit of a crap shoot.
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 11,398
Likes: 5,322
From: San Francisco Bay Area
2019 C63CS
With cars there's always continues improvement over the model years as real world problems crop up and the manufacturers address them with new designs and such. Most people understand that especially the first model year usually has issues. By the second model year several of those should have been addressed, but IMO the best time to buy a car is at the midcycle refresh, which for the W223 should be in 2024 as a 2025 model. That's when they incorporate all their learnings into an overall improvement and address criticism from customers etc.
Most products including cars are released when they are good enough, but not necessarily fully baked yet, and customers are often beta testers. One common philosophy among us software developers is to never get the version 1 of a product. Always wait for version 2 or better yet version 3. That's when the kinks have usually been worked out. Version 1 is often a throwaway. You can see this with MBUX for example. MBUX 1.0 was honestly crap. It was and still is buggy. MBUX 2.0 in the W223 is an improvement, but still has issues. The interior was actually designed around the touchscreen and they addressed issues such as CarPlay/AA not being full screen in MBUX 1.0. I bet that MBUX 3.0 or whatever it's going to be in the FL W223 will finally nail it. Another issue is the ongoing problems they have with the 48V system. Eventually they'll sort that one out as well.
I've always bought the facelifts of any car I owned. At the midcycle the model is still fresh as the new generation is another 3-4 years away. The tech etc. generally gets updated and most of the issues the new model had during the first 3-4 years should be addressed with a more robust design.
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...lass-spy-shots
Most products including cars are released when they are good enough, but not necessarily fully baked yet, and customers are often beta testers. One common philosophy among us software developers is to never get the version 1 of a product. Always wait for version 2 or better yet version 3. That's when the kinks have usually been worked out. Version 1 is often a throwaway. You can see this with MBUX for example. MBUX 1.0 was honestly crap. It was and still is buggy. MBUX 2.0 in the W223 is an improvement, but still has issues. The interior was actually designed around the touchscreen and they addressed issues such as CarPlay/AA not being full screen in MBUX 1.0. I bet that MBUX 3.0 or whatever it's going to be in the FL W223 will finally nail it. Another issue is the ongoing problems they have with the 48V system. Eventually they'll sort that one out as well.
I've always bought the facelifts of any car I owned. At the midcycle the model is still fresh as the new generation is another 3-4 years away. The tech etc. generally gets updated and most of the issues the new model had during the first 3-4 years should be addressed with a more robust design.
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...lass-spy-shots
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 2,296
Likes: 1,481
23 S580 Executive
For my part I'm trying to point out that the wait wont be a few months, more like 5 or more. The 24s are not right around the corner, there is no getting your car in early September or even in August as with some other OEMs. As an example I was the first one here to get a 23 S580 and I ordered this time last year, was in early 23 production, and didn't see the car until the last days of October. Most people were later; including one who ordered the same day but got the car months later than I did. A little bit of constraint can go a long ways and not in a good way. I'm in no way saying this means buy now or not, I'm just saying the 24s are not all that close.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 9,051
Likes: 4,557
From: Maryland
2024 S580
Because you get/need a car now and you typically can get a better deal on a car that is into the model year vs a new year that just came out. Plus with inflation like it is they will probably raise prices again for 2024. Prices took a huge jump from 22 to 23.
Trending Topics
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 1,945
Likes: 1,057
From: USA
N/A
With cars there's always continues improvement over the model years as real world problems crop up and the manufacturers address them with new designs and such. Most people understand that especially the first model year usually has issues. By the second model year several of those should have been addressed, but IMO the best time to buy a car is at the midcycle refresh, which for the W223 should be in 2024 as a 2025 model. That's when they incorporate all their learnings into an overall improvement and address criticism from customers etc.
Most products including cars are released when they are good enough, but not necessarily fully baked yet, and customers are often beta testers. One common philosophy among us software developers is to never get the version 1 of a product. Always wait for version 2 or better yet version 3. That's when the kinks have usually been worked out. Version 1 is often a throwaway. You can see this with MBUX for example. MBUX 1.0 was honestly crap. It was and still is buggy. MBUX 2.0 in the W223 is an improvement, but still has issues. The interior was actually designed around the touchscreen and they addressed issues such as CarPlay/AA not being full screen in MBUX 1.0. I bet that MBUX 3.0 or whatever it's going to be in the FL W223 will finally nail it. Another issue is the ongoing problems they have with the 48V system. Eventually they'll sort that one out as well.
I've always bought the facelifts of any car I owned. At the midcycle the model is still fresh as the new generation is another 3-4 years away. The tech etc. generally gets updated and most of the issues the new model had during the first 3-4 years should be addressed with a more robust design.
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...lass-spy-shots
Most products including cars are released when they are good enough, but not necessarily fully baked yet, and customers are often beta testers. One common philosophy among us software developers is to never get the version 1 of a product. Always wait for version 2 or better yet version 3. That's when the kinks have usually been worked out. Version 1 is often a throwaway. You can see this with MBUX for example. MBUX 1.0 was honestly crap. It was and still is buggy. MBUX 2.0 in the W223 is an improvement, but still has issues. The interior was actually designed around the touchscreen and they addressed issues such as CarPlay/AA not being full screen in MBUX 1.0. I bet that MBUX 3.0 or whatever it's going to be in the FL W223 will finally nail it. Another issue is the ongoing problems they have with the 48V system. Eventually they'll sort that one out as well.
I've always bought the facelifts of any car I owned. At the midcycle the model is still fresh as the new generation is another 3-4 years away. The tech etc. generally gets updated and most of the issues the new model had during the first 3-4 years should be addressed with a more robust design.
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...lass-spy-shots
And the Sport themes look a bit weird.
MB World Stories
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren
Verdad Gallardo
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine
Verdad Gallardo
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction
Verdad Gallardo
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping
Verdad Gallardo
10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used
Verdad Gallardo
Out Of Control!!
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 11,398
Likes: 5,322
From: San Francisco Bay Area
2019 C63CS
Senior Member
Joined: May 2022
Posts: 309
Likes: 129
S450 4Matic
Fellow forum members will know, that the two biggest issues currerntly plaguing W223 (which are not software-fixable) are:
1. The 12V/48V battery
2. 21-inch rims
These are the kinds of issue that could leave you stranded on the road, in the middle of traffic. All other known issues are minor annoyances at best.
Unfortunately buying a 24 model will help with neither.
So I would either wait for the face lift, when MB is likely addressing at least one of these two concerns; or just take your risk now with a previous year model, on good discount.
1. The 12V/48V battery
2. 21-inch rims
These are the kinds of issue that could leave you stranded on the road, in the middle of traffic. All other known issues are minor annoyances at best.
Unfortunately buying a 24 model will help with neither.
So I would either wait for the face lift, when MB is likely addressing at least one of these two concerns; or just take your risk now with a previous year model, on good discount.
Thread Starter
Junior Member
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 42
Likes: 6
From: Florida
2020 560S
It sounds like drive pilot may be available. That's the new duper cruise control that only works at slow speeds on freeways in some other country than the one you're in. If you do order a 24 you will be looking at somewhere towards mid-October or later to get the car. That's a realistic guess but on the shorter, nothing went wrong, side. It could take longer, bit of a crap shoot.
Senior Member
Joined: May 2022
Posts: 309
Likes: 129
S450 4Matic
Sadly this is not an area where I expect imminent improvement... Given how mercedes is now using practically the same wheel on ALL vehicle classes, obviously to save tooling costs, it is very unlikely they will shell out for a new wheel, untill the arrival of W224.
Before then, the only way to precisely adjust your volume on the go, will be the physical push buttons below the central screen. Which are very poorly positioned in terms of driver access.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 2,296
Likes: 1,481
23 S580 Executive
As SW stated, 25 is reported to be the refresh, minimal changes for 24. I'm not going to defend the volume slider, you should not have to learn a technique and then hone that with practice to adjust the volume on any device. That said, there is a way to do it smoothly: If you make a motion on the wheel slider with your thumb similar to what you would do playing tiddlywinks you will find that you can make small gradations or bigger jolts depending on how you do it; long swipe, short swipe, slow, fast, etc. Takes practice but I found I could adjust it well this way. Like the door handle pop out, there are probably other ways to make it work reasonably well, but that's my method.
If you read this frequently, you might get the idea these cars are fatally flawed. Not true; they are very nice rides despite the flaws which are there, but they're not going to ruin the experience for most people. Still, greatness is only a few relatively minor changes away, which is going to be irritating to the very types who will be drawn to this car in the first place. But then I'm talking out of turn, I'm a Porsche guy that came over only because I got too damn old.
If you read this frequently, you might get the idea these cars are fatally flawed. Not true; they are very nice rides despite the flaws which are there, but they're not going to ruin the experience for most people. Still, greatness is only a few relatively minor changes away, which is going to be irritating to the very types who will be drawn to this car in the first place. But then I'm talking out of turn, I'm a Porsche guy that came over only because I got too damn old.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 9,051
Likes: 4,557
From: Maryland
2024 S580
I would absolutely have less concerns with the 48V system in a 2023 vs a 2021. I think this was largely dealt with.
And 21s...just don't get the 21 inch wheels and its a non issue. Has nothing to do with model year.
And 21s...just don't get the 21 inch wheels and its a non issue. Has nothing to do with model year.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 2,296
Likes: 1,481
23 S580 Executive
This is not an Audi S8 with that particular wheel/tire combination that we're talking about, on this car the 21"inch combo is very likely to leave you on the side of the road. It is a real problem that many owners right here on this forum have experienced.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 9,051
Likes: 4,557
From: Maryland
2024 S580
Originally Posted by MBS63AMG;[url=tel:8772888
8772888[/url]]21"s are not the problem. I'm at 17000 miles on my Audi S8 and not a single problem with my tire/wheel combo. Anyone bashing me on this forum is full of sh*(. I'm a loyal MB fan but the W223 is not my cup of tea. I don't like the door handles, I don't like the overall design,I don't like the constant error signals and malfunction threats, and I don't like the dash!!! I can't wait to see the next S series. My last drought of MB ownership occurred with the W220. I call it like it is. BTW, I'm bidding on a W126 diesel right now. I like heritage, dependable, well-designed and over-engineered cars. I don't need the the automobile for VALIDATION but it will be a car that reminds me of when MB was a car to behold.
The issue with flats with 21s on the W223 is absolutely the wheels. No 21s, no issues with that.
Thread Starter
Junior Member
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 42
Likes: 6
From: Florida
2020 560S
As SW stated, 25 is reported to be the refresh, minimal changes for 24. I'm not going to defend the volume slider, you should not have to learn a technique and then hone that with practice to adjust the volume on any device. That said, there is a way to do it smoothly: If you make a motion on the wheel slider with your thumb similar to what you would do playing tiddlywinks you will find that you can make small gradations or bigger jolts depending on how you do it; long swipe, short swipe, slow, fast, etc. Takes practice but I found I could adjust it well this way. Like the door handle pop out, there are probably other ways to make it work reasonably well, but that's my method.
If you read this frequently, you might get the idea these cars are fatally flawed. Not true; they are very nice rides despite the flaws which are there, but they're not going to ruin the experience for most people. Still, greatness is only a few relatively minor changes away, which is going to be irritating to the very types who will be drawn to this car in the first place. But then I'm talking out of turn, I'm a Porsche guy that came over only because I got too damn old.
If you read this frequently, you might get the idea these cars are fatally flawed. Not true; they are very nice rides despite the flaws which are there, but they're not going to ruin the experience for most people. Still, greatness is only a few relatively minor changes away, which is going to be irritating to the very types who will be drawn to this car in the first place. But then I'm talking out of turn, I'm a Porsche guy that came over only because I got too damn old.
So I'm interested in any improvements aside of a new autonomous or disco lights features over a '23. Truth be told I'm looking for what maybe my last ICE S class. Or, I might just wait for the new E - looks interesting and at 75 I could down size now.
Thanks for sharing.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 9,051
Likes: 4,557
From: Maryland
2024 S580
They make little improvements every year, so every year will be a better car than the year before...but there isn't anything coming in 2024 that would cause me to want to wait for one over buying a 2023 now.
You won't be able to go down to an E Class once you're used to the S Class...
You won't be able to go down to an E Class once you're used to the S Class...
Senior Member
Joined: May 2022
Posts: 309
Likes: 129
S450 4Matic
I understand the quality of the car. Current ride is a 2020 S560 and I had 3 prior, When my car needed servicing (bad thermostat) I had a '23 S500 loaner for a week. Yes many changes some good, no longer jerks car when crossing a lane marker, Tesla's center screen, some bad, volume control, 50% controls moved or hidden.
So I'm interested in any improvements aside of a new autonomous or disco lights features over a '23. Truth be told I'm looking for what maybe my last ICE S class. Or, I might just wait for the new E - looks interesting and at 75 I could down size now.
Thanks for sharing.
So I'm interested in any improvements aside of a new autonomous or disco lights features over a '23. Truth be told I'm looking for what maybe my last ICE S class. Or, I might just wait for the new E - looks interesting and at 75 I could down size now.
Thanks for sharing.
I feel the Genesis G90 LWB is a better car for your demographic than the current S-class.
It is plain to see that MB has gone full-out Tesla with the W223, fitting it with every technological gadget they can find. In this process, they've sacrificed 90% of the physical buttons in this car, and used lots of plastic parts, which really impaired the interior build quality. Just try pressing down on any of the piano-black plastic trims in the cabin - those plastics are squeaky, even when new!
The Genesis G90, however, is a bit of an old-guard. Physical controls on the steering wheel and dashboard; solid interior that does not moan when touched with the slightest force; and lush materials throughout, on par with the highest-trimmed S class.
The G90 is lagging behind the current S-class in terms of technology. No AR HUD (just a regular HUD), smaller central screen, no gesture recognitions... But at 75, perhaps you could do without such gimmicks : )
Senior Member
Joined: May 2022
Posts: 309
Likes: 129
S450 4Matic
They make little improvements every year, so every year will be a better car than the year before...but there isn't anything coming in 2024 that would cause me to want to wait for one over buying a 2023 now.
You won't be able to go down to an E Class once you're used to the S Class...
You won't be able to go down to an E Class once you're used to the S Class...
Considering how slow they take action on this 21-rim issue, I personally wouldn't put much faith in them fixing the 12V/48V problem. I really need concrete evidence to be convinced of its resolution.
