Originally Posted by Streamliner

Did your 223 have Exclusive Nappa?

Originally Posted by js_cls

What do you consider the quality issues?

Originally Posted by SW20S

Its the lower door sill area, in my W222 (and in the new 7) that area is fully carpeted and trimmed in a felt type material, in the 223 its hard plastic and that hard plastic also runs 1/3rd of the way up the B pillar. Also other little things like the piano black plastic console and door control areas and the cheap feeling cupholders in the rear...

Originally Posted by js_cls

I understand the center console, I would definitely option the dotted one to avoid it if I did a custom build, but to be honest, the lower door sill does not bother me in the slightest. In the 7er there’s a portion of the B-pillar that uses cheaper plastics compared to the rest of the pillar too, and even in the old 7er, 6 and 8GC, that area use to be stitched with leather. Its so low down on the pillar it doesn’t bother me. Get in an Audi A8 and you get even cheaper and harder plastics on the lower door bins, center console, and pillars.

Originally Posted by SW20S

Not in the new 7, there isn't any hard plastic in that area..its carpet straight up to the headliner material like the 222, the previous 7 was trimmed like the W223. It had a small little stitched area but then hard plastic. Point is, the S Class is the best most expensive car in the segment, it should be finished like the previous car at least. $20,000 more than a comparable 760...hard plastic should not exist ANYWHERE in the S Class, it doesn't in my 222.

Also another nitpick about the 223, single stitching of the dash and doors vs french stitching in the 222.

Originally Posted by js_cls;[url=tel:8794214

8794214[/url]]The B-Pillar in the 7er I sat in was not all leather. There was a portion of cheaper soft touch plastic along the middle. Not a deal breaker in either car for me in my opinion. Would I love the S to have soft touch down to the lower door, sure, but it doesn’t keep me up at night.

Originally Posted by js_cls

Was at the dealer getting a recall for the E-Class done and made my rounds at the nearby dealers. Saw an i7 in the most palatable spec yet, Tanzanite Blue II with Luxury Line. I still don't like the way the front end looks but its an improvement, but still awkward, especially those awful stacked headlights. I thought I would like the luxury-line look more, and I do on the front thanks to the lack of gloss blast plastic, but I think the chrome trim pieces on the side of the 7er are too big and thick so it stands out more on a darker colored car like this. Also its just still to blocky and squared off, I think a curved and sleek design makes a car look more elegant. I get that they wanted presence, but they sacrificed elegance because of it.

Interior was nice. I prefer the design to the S-Class, but nothing about it was so much more impressive to me that I wouldn't take the S again. And I hate the hidden AC controls, at least the S' stay in the same place. The haptic touch panels on the doors are also very bad. The S' are much easier, and heated seats and steering wheel controls are always available to access. The control knob is nice, but the menu's are overly cluttered and deep (there's a menu just for the cars blinds, adaptive cruise distance requires a menu, etc), and the control knob doesn't actually do anything for the ac controls so you still need to use the touchscreen.

Overall, if I were to do it again, I'd probably still pick the S, although the new Range Rover probably would have also come into play.

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Originally Posted by SW20S

Sat in a W223 at the dealer yesterday, the real killer for me is just a few pieces of cheap feeling plastic which is a shame. They have a leftover 2022 that I could get a killer deal on in a great spec (emerald green with brown)...

No question overall the W223 is a more attractive package than the 7, but the 7 interior doesn't have those quality issues.

Originally Posted by hyperion667

LMAO, that's one way to put it......not driving like a jagass is more like it

Originally Posted by SW20S

Its the lower door sill area, in my W222 (and in the new 7) that area is fully carpeted and trimmed in a felt type material, in the 223 its hard plastic and that hard plastic also runs 1/3rd of the way up the B pillar. Also other little things like the piano black plastic console and door control areas and the cheap feeling cupholders in the rear...

Originally Posted by SW20S

Not in the new 7, there isn't any hard plastic in that area..its carpet straight up to the headliner material like the 222, the previous 7 was trimmed like the W223. It had a small little stitched area but then hard plastic. Point is, the S Class is the best most expensive car in the segment, it should be finished like the previous car at least. $20,000 more than a comparable 760...hard plastic should not exist ANYWHERE in the S Class, it doesn't in my 222.

Also another nitpick about the 223, single stitching of the dash and doors vs french stitching in the 222.

Originally Posted by SW20S

Its not leather on the 7, its carpeted. Soft touch plastic is all fine, on the 223 its hard plastic, like you would find in a Toyota.

I just don't want to sit in cheaper cars that are finished more nicely with a $140,000 S Class. Nothing should be descirbed as "good enough".

If anybody hasn’t had a 222, this is what those areas look like, fully carpeted, these areas are hard plastic on the 223


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Originally Posted by Wolfman

Remind me of the details of the BMW M8 door pockets. I like how the leather is even stitched on the bottom of the open door pocket. Something that nobody will ever look at...


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Originally Posted by W205C43PFL;[url=tel:8794530

8794530[/url]]I don't have the same attention to detail you have (I really should pay attention to these things), I do wonder if there are options that might make that carpet again, like for example forum member js_cls mentioned exclusive Nappa, if not, hopefully the facelift addresses it.

I am super curious if the Maybach 223 will have carpet in that area. not defending MB at all but wondering if they just want to save something for Maybach while the 7er doesn't really have a equivalent competitor (other than Rolls-Royce but that is not a BMW)? I guess there is Alpina but that is more like AMG than luxury?

Originally Posted by SW20S

No unfortunately those are hard plastic regardless of the trim. The one I sat in the other day was exclusive Napa and it was beautiful but sitting in it and feeling around me, there are just too many things that are surprisingly cheap feeling for a $143,000 automobile. I don’t have that same feeling in a 222, and in the new 7 the only area that makes me scratch my head is the black plastic window switch area (that’s also a bad one)