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Actually I think the original idrive was hated mostly by journalist. We had the first one of those; the car was an utter reliability disaster due to CANBUS issues and their inability to successfully reprogram the car. The new GUI; we figured out in no time and there was still a lot of switchgear so you didn't get in there too much after the initial setup.
I think for journalist that get the car for a few hours in some cases, it was a lot harder to swallow.
I hated the first iDrive as well. My father had an early E60 5er and I remember how clunky the controls were at the time compared to my simple E46. How I miss that car so much.
The iDrive if I recalled correctly main complaints in the early generations were hard to learn and easy to get distracted when driving?
Well,
Most of the 7 Series customers were folks that were not really comfortable with "computer" style commands, let's say. Too me ( obviously I was a lot younger) it was a delight, it was something innovative, new and extremely efficient. As I remember right using the IDrive you could skip like 100 clicks on different buttons/ screens.
Many of your posts appear to be apologizing for and rationalizing the issues MB is experiencing with this car. I don't own the car, I am just explaining that I see a legitimate issue here with this model.
Then you must be misreading my posts altogether. I am trying to provide perspective.
For better or worst, I have been a Mercedes owner for a very long time, coupled with many good and bad experiences. This allows for the opportunity to compare them in severity. I may also try to provide a reason why I believe things are happening, something to can take or disregard. This certainly doesn't make me a fanboy.
When I think a certain issue is a small one, it is simply my assessment compared to what I have seen prior. You may think it's significant.
But I also appreciate if you wouldn't simply dismiss the reasons because you disagree or lack the experience with the brand. After all, we all expect perfection from the cars we drive and entrust our families with. Unfortunately no car is perfect.
Then you must be misreading my posts altogether. I am trying to provide perspective.
For better or worst, I have been a Mercedes owner for a very long time, coupled with many good and bad experiences. This allows for the opportunity to compare them in severity. I may also try to provide a reason why I believe things are happening, something to can take or disregard. This certainly doesn't make me a fanboy.
When I think a certain issue is a small one, it is simply my assessment compared to what I have seen prior. You may think it's significant.
But I also appreciate if you wouldn't simply dismiss the reasons because you disagree or lack the experience with the brand. After all, we all expect perfection from the cars we drive and entrust our families with. Unfortunately no car is perfect.
Then you are also misreading my posts. I'm also trying to provide perspective as to why someone would look at whats posted here and it would make them justifiably concerned about making a purchase. No car is perfect, but some cars are more perfect than others. This car has a lot of owners who are frustrated with it for one reason or the other, thats clear by reading this forum. If my "lack of experience with the brand" means I expect too much then perhaps chassis is right about MB lol. One person having a big problem or even a few people doesn't concern me, the general negative attitude about the car from the participants of the forum does concern me. Your argument to explain away these issues is nothing but "Whataboutism"...
ANY issue with a car is a huge pain. Having your car that you are paying a lot for or paid a lot for off the road for weeks at a time is just not something most people are interested in dealing with. I've dealt with it, it sucks. Even if those things are not "severe", they aren't something I want to deal with when I don't deal with those things now.
Then you are also misreading my posts. I'm also trying to provide perspective as to why someone would look at whats posted here and it would make them justifiably concerned about making a purchase. No car is perfect, but some cars are more perfect than others. This car has a lot of owners who are frustrated with it for one reason or the other, thats clear by reading this forum. If my "lack of experience with the brand" means I expect too much then perhaps chassis is right about MB lol. One person having a big problem or even a few people doesn't concern me, the general negative attitude about the car from the participants of the forum does concern me. Your argument to explain away these issues is nothing but "Whataboutism"...
ANY issue with a car is a huge pain. Having your car that you are paying a lot for or paid a lot for off the road for weeks at a time is just not something most people are interested in dealing with. I've dealt with it, it sucks. Even if those things are not "severe", they aren't something I want to deal with when I don't deal with those things now.
Interesting. Which new Mercedes model do you think would fit your description of trouble-free and well liked? No G-Wagon please...
I read the forum when they were new because I always loved the S Class, the tone was totally different.
I see, then that concludes it, thanks for saving me time from having to go all the way back and start reading each thread one-by-one, good to have someone that were here since then and been following the threads so in the know how.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by tx170754
Totally agree !
There are two things here, as I see them !
Money and quality, if we pay such price for a car, even if it drives ( unfortunately not in your case ) that doesn't mean it is a quality car the way it should be. My 560 has an incredible drive, smooth and quiet. But for quite some time, since the dealer was clueless, I was chasing interior rattles by myself, after using felt on all the doors, pillars, dash, glove compartment, finally the center console was the culprit, felt it and now inside is it so quiet like in the Toledo cathedral in Spain !
Thanks for mentioning rattles. I've got at least one in my S580, but being the understanding fellow that I am, I have never mentioned it here or to my dealer.
It is my feeling that the rattle is caused by the jarring EABC suspension.
Driving 40k miles+ a year in a 130k+ USD car I want a good music experience, the standard Burmester 3D is LACKING compared to the higher end equivalents in my Ranges; maybe I should've mentioned the other issues such as only having 2/11 non-black interior colour choices, missing more than half the interior trim options, not being able to get rid of the gloss piano black on the centre console etc. Maybe those things don't upset you; for me having that variety and those options in my last 5 or 6 or however many S Class' made me happy
but then.... Range Rover is a different tier, no? More expensive than an S-Class? Might be wrong.
That said, someone commented Volvo's sound system is better than MB so there is that.
Then you are also misreading my posts. I'm also trying to provide perspective as to why someone would look at whats posted here and it would make them justifiably concerned about making a purchase. No car is perfect, but some cars are more perfect than others. This car has a lot of owners who are frustrated with it for one reason or the other, thats clear by reading this forum. If my "lack of experience with the brand" means I expect too much then perhaps chassis is right about MB lol. One person having a big problem or even a few people doesn't concern me, the general negative attitude about the car from the participants of the forum does concern me. Your argument to explain away these issues is nothing but "Whataboutism"...
ANY issue with a car is a huge pain. Having your car that you are paying a lot for or paid a lot for off the road for weeks at a time is just not something most people are interested in dealing with. I've dealt with it, it sucks. Even if those things are not "severe", they aren't something I want to deal with when I don't deal with those things now.
Actually I think the original idrive was hated mostly by journalist. We had the first one of those; the car was an utter reliability disaster due to CANBUS issues and their inability to successfully reprogram the car. The new GUI; we figured out in no time and there was still a lot of switchgear so you didn't get in there too much after the initial setup.
I think for journalist that get the car for a few hours in some cases, it was a lot harder to swallow.
I see, that reminds me, didn't someone said some report with survey of customers complaining about how difficult is it to use MBUX when it first came out?
BMW has all the same options available as America, even the m3 has more colour/trim options than any Mercedes you can configure here lol. Audi has never had "any" options here except gimmicky ones and 2/3 leather colour choices, I don't know if it's the same in America. I'm assuming by grouping the packages Mercedes save on economies of scale for RHD vehicles; it's been this way for every vehicle they've offered since they refreshed all their cars in 2018/19. There's also been certain years when they haven't had interior colours on certain cars which is bizarre, when I ordered an E Class cabriolet there was only the standard black available, the year before and after there was 4
I see, so audi too.
Ya they group it I guess it has to do with what you mentioned. There is also Australia having an agency model pricing...
Well,
Most of the 7 Series customers were folks that were not really comfortable with "computer" style commands, let's say. Too me ( obviously I was a lot younger) it was a delight, it was something innovative, new and extremely efficient. As I remember right using the IDrive you could skip like 100 clicks on different buttons/ screens.
Hmmm sounds like a repeat but for MB instead then, some S-Class buyers being overwhelmed with the new tech, layers of menus etc.
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Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
but then.... Range Rover is a different tier, no? More expensive than an S-Class? Might be wrong.
That said, someone commented Volvo's sound system is better than MB so there is that.
The S Class and Range Rover are the 2 main luxury cars here, they're not the same tier per say but they're owned by the same sort of customers. Range Rover SVR was about 120k GBP, Autobiography D350 about 125-130k which included the 30-odd speaker 1600w system and S350 Premium Plus about 105.
Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
I see, so audi too.
Ya they group it I guess it has to do with what you mentioned. There is also Australia having an agency model pricing...
They've done that here too now, dealers get 5% commission and also whatever commission they get from selling the car on a finance agreement. Began start of this year. No one likes it but we like the cars they produce so what can we do lol
The S Class and Range Rover are the 2 main luxury cars here, they're not the same tier per say but they're owned by the same sort of customers. Range Rover SVR was about 120k GBP, Autobiography D350 about 125-130k which included the 30-odd speaker 1600w system and S350 Premium Plus about 105.
They've done that here too now, dealers get 5% commission and also whatever commission they get from selling the car on a finance agreement. Began start of this year. No one likes it but we like the cars they produce so what can we do lol
I see.
Ouch even UK gets that agency model pricing treatment? Hopefully other brands don't jump on the bandwagon.
Funny, I went to a dealership for an oil change and the next day I've bought my S560. After reading a lot about it and watching some YouTube review videos ( which by the way were extremely positive ) there was a lot of consensus from the reviewers ( young people ) that Mercedes should offer a one day class/driving to all the buyers, regardless the age (!) before delivering the car, so, apparently that is the case.
I don't know about the W223 configuration but this W222 has so much stuff buried between screens and clicks that in order to use all the features you really need a lot of knowledge, good thing is that once you learn what is necessary for you that is about it !
Ergonomics wise Lexus #1 , Mercedes #2 !
Interesting. Which new Mercedes model do you think would fit your description of trouble-free and well liked? No G-Wagon please...
I'm totally happy with the one I am driving. As for new model...unfortunately I don't know that there is one right now, at least not one that I would be interested in driving. We drove a GLS that we liked a lot today, I know there are issues there too...but at least there that vehicle would replace a vehicle I already don't like. Its the risk of replacing a vehicle I like that is the issue for me.
Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
but then.... Range Rover is a different tier, no? More expensive than an S-Class? Might be wrong.
That said, someone commented Volvo's sound system is better than MB so there is that.
I think the Range Rover and the S Class are very comparable in tier. The RR is actually cheaper than the S Class...
I'm totally happy with the one I am driving. As for new model...unfortunately I don't know that there is one right now, at least not one that I would be interested in driving. We drove a GLS that we liked a lot today, I know there are issues there too...but at least there that vehicle would replace a vehicle I already don't like. Its the risk of replacing a vehicle I like that is the issue for me.
I think the Range Rover and the S Class are very comparable in tier. The RR is actually cheaper than the S Class...
I'm totally happy with the one I am driving. As for new model...unfortunately I don't know that there is one right now, at least not one that I would be interested in driving. We drove a GLS that we liked a lot today, I know there are issues there too...but at least there that vehicle would replace a vehicle I already don't like. Its the risk of replacing a vehicle I like that is the issue for me.
I think the Range Rover and the S Class are very comparable in tier. The RR is actually cheaper than the S Class...
Sorry, I decide what I want BEFORE I buy it.
order the food, taste it and then comment on it, otherwise long rants mean nothing!!
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All this talk about the S & GLS got me wondering: is the Maybach GLS made in the US or Germany? So, I googled it and look what comes up: The Maybach S Class is made in Vance???
8791590]order the food, taste it and then comment on it, otherwise long rants mean nothing!!
I can certainly comment on the experiences I have seen others post about.
Originally Posted by Streamliner;[url=tel:8791597
8791597]All this talk about the S & GLS got me wondering: is the Maybach GLS made in the US or Germany? So, I googled it and look what comes up: The Maybach S Class is made in Vance???
Doesn’t surprise me. That doesn’t bother me at all.
I hated the first iDrive as well. My father had an early E60 5er and I remember how clunky the controls were at the time compared to my simple E46. How I miss that car so much.
Don't get me wrong, I was a long way from in love with it but I didn't feel it merited the hate heaped upon it in the media. There were very many cases where I read commentary and I could tell the person did not know how to use it and was making a fuss over something that wasn't actually one of it's problems. Or, that person had never used it at all. There were problems, it needed work. But, nah, it didn't merit the kind of vitriol people were giving it. I spent many hours waiting for that car with other owners while dropping it off, picking it up, or just waiting because at that time I had a house in the country and had to travel 2 hours to get to the dealership. There was widespread hate for the problems, hate for the fact it could take a week to reprogram the car which was seemingly always the fix for the problem, but the idrive; not so much. It's got problems but wasn't as bad as the journalist were making it sound. That was kind of the consensus. An aside; I don't like the new "fixed" idrive any better than the old "broken" idrive. The menu tree has become straight forward and cohesive; once you saw the layout you could get around well, it was easy, but l didn't find it pleasurable to use.
To me iDrive was ahead of its time, and of course the first implementation of something is going to be full of problems...but it revolutionized the way car infotainment would be done for the next 20 years...
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