New tech frustrates………
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To add to that, door handles are another percolating problem.
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I like tech, I'm one of those guys. But... You've got these doors that open up incredibly wide, there are two stops, neither one strong enough to hold the door on much of a hill and usually not where you want them anyway. Why not engineer in the continuous friction stops that let you put the door wherever you want it and it stays there? Now instead of a kicking match as I try and hold the door open and get out without my legs getting nipped I can just open the door exactly where I want it, and get out with as much dignity as a pathetic old man can muster. That's tech working for me. I get doors that open wide and the issues created in making them do so are overcome with a smart feature that makes my day better. That's win.
What we have are leg biters with whiz-bang door handles that admittedly look cool but don't do anything in terms of making my life better. I suppose it's a vapid sort of win but you know a feature is foo-foo when you get in another car and you don't miss it at all, that's the door handles to me.
What we have are leg biters with whiz-bang door handles that admittedly look cool but don't do anything in terms of making my life better. I suppose it's a vapid sort of win but you know a feature is foo-foo when you get in another car and you don't miss it at all, that's the door handles to me.
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VW’s boss says touch-sensitive controls are a mistake. Porsche has them now us. I hate the touch-sensitive buttons. I want real buttons.
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(-)For over 20 years, I've yet to find a car that the navigation systems work well with voice command. I always just get my phone's map system to navigate me. Inevitably, the manner in which the on-board navi systems want you to speak to them is always over complexed and over 70% of the time never responds correctly. For example, an address like 503 West Main Street, NE Blvd, Martin Luther King Blvd, Kansas City, KS would never be acknowledged by the system by voice.
(++Now blind spot assistance and adaptive cruise control is a different story. I can't live without those two features.
(-)Lane departure warning is of no use to me
(+) Got to have automatic headlights, adaptive lighting focus, and automatic dimming
(-) Night vision I can do without
(+) Soft close doors are awesome
(-) Cup holders and storage spaces are not sufficient these days as electrical and computer space is eating up the storage spaces we once loved.
(+)Go back to real buttons. New touch screen dashes and infotainment systems are more distracting these days than using a cell phone while driving. Glare, smudges, Haptic Touch confusion at times. Give me back buttons.
(-) Front spoilers too low to the ground. Every curb at every parking space will ****** these off or heavily scratch them.
(+) Stereos have dramatically improved but connectivity to phones is still lacking
(+) HUD is very nice
(+) parking sensors are a must
(-) still not able to get used to automatic parking but the times I have used it, it was a success.
(++Now blind spot assistance and adaptive cruise control is a different story. I can't live without those two features.
(-)Lane departure warning is of no use to me
(+) Got to have automatic headlights, adaptive lighting focus, and automatic dimming
(-) Night vision I can do without
(+) Soft close doors are awesome
(-) Cup holders and storage spaces are not sufficient these days as electrical and computer space is eating up the storage spaces we once loved.
(+)Go back to real buttons. New touch screen dashes and infotainment systems are more distracting these days than using a cell phone while driving. Glare, smudges, Haptic Touch confusion at times. Give me back buttons.
(-) Front spoilers too low to the ground. Every curb at every parking space will ****** these off or heavily scratch them.
(+) Stereos have dramatically improved but connectivity to phones is still lacking
(+) HUD is very nice
(+) parking sensors are a must
(-) still not able to get used to automatic parking but the times I have used it, it was a success.
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I like tech, I'm one of those guys. But... You've got these doors that open up incredibly wide, there are two stops, neither one strong enough to hold the door on much of a hill and usually not where you want them anyway. Why not engineer in the continuous friction stops that let you put the door wherever you want it and it stays there? Now instead of a kicking match as I try and hold the door open and get out without my legs getting nipped I can just open the door exactly where I want it, and get out with as much dignity as a pathetic old man can muster. That's tech working for me. I get doors that open wide and the issues created in making them do so are overcome with a smart feature that makes my day better. That's win.
What we have are leg biters with whiz-bang door handles that admittedly look cool but don't do anything in terms of making my life better. I suppose it's a vapid sort of win but you know a feature is foo-foo when you get in another car and you don't miss it at all, that's the door handles to me.
What we have are leg biters with whiz-bang door handles that admittedly look cool but don't do anything in terms of making my life better. I suppose it's a vapid sort of win but you know a feature is foo-foo when you get in another car and you don't miss it at all, that's the door handles to me.
MB needs to do some research in the market to learn about the best features, so they can be incorporated in their flagship model.
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They had it on the 2015 W222 S Class sedans, but dropped it. Probably too expensive. The new BMW 7 Series has it.
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And to make it worse these manufacturers are going to subscription based options.
Say what?
I buy something from them and they want money every month to use a feature that is just to turnon a program they developed since they will not let anyone else develop.
I do not see new car(s) in my future - Old USed cars maybe...
but why bother I have some nice used cars in my stable - THink I willjust keep them running as best as I Can and spend my money on vacations or a NEW BOAT!
Say what?
I buy something from them and they want money every month to use a feature that is just to turnon a program they developed since they will not let anyone else develop.
I do not see new car(s) in my future - Old USed cars maybe...
but why bother I have some nice used cars in my stable - THink I willjust keep them running as best as I Can and spend my money on vacations or a NEW BOAT!
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First time I ever experienced doors that held still and in place was on a 2015 BMW 750 Li. This should be a must-have, especially on coupes as those doors are usually long and can swing out and hit neighboring vehicles in tight parking spaces
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They're great, love em. It's technology solving an actual problem, thereby making life better.
In my mind a product planning meeting takes place where a boy-wonder proposes door handles that pop out when the driver approaches as a catchy bit of foo-foo to attract buyers in showrooms. There is applause.
Then an engineer pipes up in the back suggesting that customers might appreciate it if they improved the headlights enough to be on par with a 2003 Hyundai Santa Fe. Crickets. Later that day he's cleaning out his desk.
That's how I imagine it.
In my mind a product planning meeting takes place where a boy-wonder proposes door handles that pop out when the driver approaches as a catchy bit of foo-foo to attract buyers in showrooms. There is applause.
Then an engineer pipes up in the back suggesting that customers might appreciate it if they improved the headlights enough to be on par with a 2003 Hyundai Santa Fe. Crickets. Later that day he's cleaning out his desk.
That's how I imagine it.
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I'm sure nobody will be surprised when I say this
but the door stops in my 2022 S580 are THE worst in recent memory. The doors either open way too wide or not far enough. Then, just when you think you are all set, the door closes on your legs. They just HAD to mess with the door handles, but they couldn't give us doors that are easy to deal with. This is "Auto Manufacturing 101," that you don't mess up the basics, but MB found a need to do so.
but the door stops in my 2022 S580 are THE worst in recent memory. The doors either open way too wide or not far enough. Then, just when you think you are all set, the door closes on your legs. They just HAD to mess with the door handles, but they couldn't give us doors that are easy to deal with. This is "Auto Manufacturing 101," that you don't mess up the basics, but MB found a need to do so.
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I'm sure nobody will be surprised when I say this but the door stops in my 2022 S580 are THE worst in recent memory. The doors either open way too wide or not far enough. Then, just when you think you are all set, the door closes on your legs. They just HAD to mess with the door handles, but they couldn't give us doors that are easy to deal with. This is "Auto Manufacturing 101," that you don't mess up the basics, but MB found a need to do so.
but the door stops in my 2022 S580 are THE worst in recent memory. The doors either open way too wide or not far enough. Then, just when you think you are all set, the door closes on your legs. They just HAD to mess with the door handles, but they couldn't give us doors that are easy to deal with. This is "Auto Manufacturing 101," that you don't mess up the basics, but MB found a need to do so.Hows your search going to replace your S580?
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I'm having a hard time with new cars and have to say very few of them are still attractive to me... The attractive one being way out of reach of course (Ferrari, Porsche etc.).
I hate what Tesla has brought upon us with the "all on the center screen" era, the subscriptions that were then worsened by BMW and those abominations they call door handles. I was displeasantly surprised when I visited a MB shop and found out that they now have those door handles as well.
I love a dashboard with gauges (pardon my english if that isn't the proper term) for my speed and RPM, the rest can be on a screen, it's not that bad, but please, keep it directly ahead of me. I love my old one because I extend my arm and then touch a button, I know by the shape if it's the right one or I can go to another one without having to look at any moment, why is this not possible anymore?
I feel the same as Hyperion, I love my car, and I'm having a hard time deciding on a model that I would like to buy for a recent one (post 2018 I'd say).
I hate what Tesla has brought upon us with the "all on the center screen" era, the subscriptions that were then worsened by BMW and those abominations they call door handles. I was displeasantly surprised when I visited a MB shop and found out that they now have those door handles as well.
I love a dashboard with gauges (pardon my english if that isn't the proper term) for my speed and RPM, the rest can be on a screen, it's not that bad, but please, keep it directly ahead of me. I love my old one because I extend my arm and then touch a button, I know by the shape if it's the right one or I can go to another one without having to look at any moment, why is this not possible anymore?
I feel the same as Hyperion, I love my car, and I'm having a hard time deciding on a model that I would like to buy for a recent one (post 2018 I'd say).
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I will say two things: the W223, at least in my “Luxury” trim version, seems to have much more clearance under the front fascia than my previous S Class cars and that I never seem to scrape it. I hate that the control to raise the car is buried in the iPad somewhere. In my W222’s, I used the “raise/lower” BUTTON frequently. In my 223, I never do, as it is quite inconvenient.
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I will say two things: the W223, at least in my “Luxury” trim version, seems to have much more clearance under the front fascia than my previous S Class cars and that I never seem to scrape it. I hate that the control to raise the car is buried in the iPad somewhere. In my W222’s, I used the “raise/lower” BUTTON frequently. In my 223, I never do, as it is quite inconvenient.
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IF I ever get another new MB, I will take delivery in person and insist on a thorough training session with someone who is very familiar with the vehicle. At one time, MB Laguna Niguel had a woman who did nothing but “teach” new vehicle customers how to operate the various features. She was great, but they did away with her position, last time I checked. These new vehicles are just SO, over the top complicated, that every MB dealer should have a dedicated employee, who REALLY knows the systems and will train new owners. I’m not holding my breath.
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Thanks. My 2022 S580 was leased during the height of the CCP Virus fiasco. I took it, sight unseen and it was delivered to me on a flatbed truck. Huge mistake! I never got even a 20 minute introduction to the car. Of course, there is the manual, but reading that, with almost every other paragraph being some sort of a “warning” or other “cover your ***” disclaimer, I never spent much time with it. Almost immediately after first driving the car, I was so disgusted with the ride quality, with the much touted “new & improved,” $6,500.00 EABC optional suspension, I didn’t much care about learning all the ins and outs of operating the various hidden features.
IF I ever get another new MB, I will take delivery in person and insist on a thorough training session with someone who is very familiar with the vehicle. At one time, MB Laguna Niguel had a woman who did nothing but “teach” new vehicle customers how to operate the various features. She was great, but they did away with her position, last time I checked. These new vehicles are just SO, over the top complicated, that every MB dealer should have a dedicated employee, who REALLY knows the systems and will train new owners. I’m not holding my breath.
IF I ever get another new MB, I will take delivery in person and insist on a thorough training session with someone who is very familiar with the vehicle. At one time, MB Laguna Niguel had a woman who did nothing but “teach” new vehicle customers how to operate the various features. She was great, but they did away with her position, last time I checked. These new vehicles are just SO, over the top complicated, that every MB dealer should have a dedicated employee, who REALLY knows the systems and will train new owners. I’m not holding my breath.
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Yeah, I did the manual, end to end. I'm pretty good at skipping boilerplate and it's a lot less manual when you do that. Just the other day I was going through the 30 page manual for the new espresso machine and I remarked to Mrs Crab that it was as long as the manual from my first car.
Times have changed.
Times have changed.
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I'm having a hard time with new cars and have to say very few of them are still attractive to me... The attractive one being way out of reach of course (Ferrari, Porsche etc.).
I hate what Tesla has brought upon us with the "all on the center screen" era, the subscriptions that were then worsened by BMW and those abominations they call door handles. I was displeasantly surprised when I visited a MB shop and found out that they now have those door handles as well.
I love a dashboard with gauges (pardon my english if that isn't the proper term) for my speed and RPM, the rest can be on a screen, it's not that bad, but please, keep it directly ahead of me. I love my old one because I extend my arm and then touch a button, I know by the shape if it's the right one or I can go to another one without having to look at any moment, why is this not possible anymore?
I feel the same as Hyperion, I love my car, and I'm having a hard time deciding on a model that I would like to buy for a recent one (post 2018 I'd say).
I hate what Tesla has brought upon us with the "all on the center screen" era, the subscriptions that were then worsened by BMW and those abominations they call door handles. I was displeasantly surprised when I visited a MB shop and found out that they now have those door handles as well.
I love a dashboard with gauges (pardon my english if that isn't the proper term) for my speed and RPM, the rest can be on a screen, it's not that bad, but please, keep it directly ahead of me. I love my old one because I extend my arm and then touch a button, I know by the shape if it's the right one or I can go to another one without having to look at any moment, why is this not possible anymore?
I feel the same as Hyperion, I love my car, and I'm having a hard time deciding on a model that I would like to buy for a recent one (post 2018 I'd say).
Here's one in the attractive but out of reach catagory.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-batur-drive/
