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The 7- series has nice front seats and you may want to look at a Lincoln for its 30-way adjustable seats. The thigh supports have separate adjustments for each thigh. Lincoln isn’t as prestigious as MB, but seating comfort is so subjective.
Good luck in your decision, and let us know what you choose.
So, I am seeing several options in the vehicle I am interested in (different than the one I posted above) and can't seem to figure out what they are. I read the entire owner's manual, possible I missed them but they didn't seem to pop out.
Any ideas?
AMG LINE EXTERIOR - I think I know what AMG is but this vehicle doesn't have the AMG Plate designator on the rear end - so what exactly is this?
FRONT ENERGIZING PACKAGE - No idea what this could be...
SPORT PACKAGE CODE - This either - how is it different from AMG or what is it exactly? Does this just mean E-ABC and 21" wheels?
NOISE COMPENSATION AND 2-WAY IN CAR COMMUNICATION - specifically, what is 2-way in car comm mean?
Thanks, Steve. Oh, I much prefer the AMG trim - looks a lot better, to me personally.
Unfortunately, AMG line and Executive packages cannot be equipped together. So if you want the AMG line aesthetics, you'd be giving up 10 degrees of rear wheel steering, 4-zone climate control, and all the back seat goodies of the Executive line model.
Unfortunately, AMG line and Executive packages cannot be equipped together. So if you want the AMG line aesthetics, you'd be giving up 10 degrees of rear wheel steering, 4-zone climate control, and all the back seat goodies of the Executive line model.
Which is fine for me as I am not sitting in the back seat. So, much of that is actually wasted on me. I was strongly considering a white '23 CPO that had all that and ended up deciding to get a Nautical Blue that doesn't have all that. Saved me $18k, literally. So, I am good with that.
Hey all, new member - I am currently in a '22 Escalade and my wife and I are very disappointed with the seats - like sitting on wooden chairs they are so firm. We hoped they would soften over time but after 30K miles, nope.
So, I am looking at everything. We checked out the X7 Alpine - seats too hard. We like the i7 seats, but I can't deal with the styling or the glitzy interior controls. My wife would HATE the button-less environment.
After looking at a lot of vehicles, and I would prefer an SUV, but the GLS 580 seats are also a lot like the Escalade - really firm, therefore, I think the best option is the 580. Very comfortable seats. My wife has some specific back issues and the only other car we liked the seats in was the Lexus LS500 which I had for a few years. Very nice and reliable car.
Which leads me to my question for the experts and owners - is the 580 a good choice? Is it rife with problems? Is it reliable? What can I expect in terms of ownership experience over a 5-10 year lifespan. Sort of gonna be my retirement vehicle.
What can I expect. Will I love it, hate it, or what? Of course, I understand you don't know my likes and foibles, but based on your all experience in a MB, how is the vehicle?
Thanks in advance...
Chip
Beware the M177 V8 which is developing a reputation for failed rear main crankshaft seal because of failed vapor separators resulting in crankcase overpressure. Bore scoring has also been reported on this site for this engine. Early days to say whether scoring will be widespread.
Beware the EQ Boost 48V system which MB has not gotten right, now into the fifth model year.
Suggestions:
1. Avoid this car.
2. Buy the most expensive aftermarket warranty (insurance) you can find, and plan time in your schedule for dealer visits and haranguing phone calls with dealer service associates and the aftermarket insurance company. And to be inconvenienced by way of loaners, or no loaners, while the car is in the shop.
AMG Line exterior and sport paclage code are for the exterior design and bumpers. No changes to ride quality, just styling. Most people prefer AMG Line.
Energizing Package is these modes you can select where it syncs the massage, ambient light, frangrance, temp, music, etc. to create a "mood" in the car. Pretty gimmicky, fin to show to friends once and then never use. Noise compensation and 2 way communication are part of the high end audio, noise compensation means the car very very softly emmits tones that counter act tire noise and wind noise to make your ears feel quieter, two way communication means it uses the microphones to ever so slightly smplify the voices from the front to speakers in the back and vice versa.
Great, thanks for the clarification, Ben. I played with the 'mood' thing and you're right, very gimmicky and I will never use that.
So, I locked in my purchase (thanks to all of your input and answering my questions) - getting this:
I wish it had the saddle or white interior, but that is a small sacrifice for the price I paid for this '23 CPO with 8k miles on it. Previous owner traded it on a Maybach that had the active ambient lighting - this one doesn't. To have that kind of $$ to trade for something like that! Oh well, his loss, my gain!
For those that care - here are the options (I know I will hear it about those 21s, but my Panamera had them and it was fine - and if it becomes a problem, I will put 20s on it...
30 HIGH-END SPEAKERS 3D TECHNOLOGY PACKAGE -INC: 3D INSTRUMENT CLUSTER 5 SOUND PROFILES (PURE, LIVE, EASY LISTENING, SURROUND AND 3D SURROUND) AMG ®, LINE EXTERIOR AMG ®, LINE -INC: AMG ®, FLOOR MATS BLACK BLACK DINAMICA HEADLINER BURMESTER HIGH-END 4D SURROUND SOUND SYSTEM -INC: 1750 WATTS COOLED FRONT SEAT(S) E-ACTIVE BODY CONTROL EXCLUSIVE NAPPA LEATHER UPHOLSTERY FLARED SIDE SILL PANELS W/INSERT IN HIGH-GLOSS BLACK FRONT ENERGIZING PACKAGE HEADS-UP DISPLAY HEATED FRONT ARMRESTS HEATED STEERING WHEEL HIGH-PERFORMANCE TIRES KEYLESS START LANE KEEPING ASSIST LEATHER SEATS MBUX AUGMENTED REALITY HEAD-UP DISPLAY NAUTICAL BLUE METALLIC NAVIGATION SYSTEM NIGHT PACKAGE -INC: FRONT SPLITTER AND FINS IN THE AIR INTAKES IN HIGH-GLOSS BLACK NOISE COMPENSATION AND 2-WAY IN CAR COMMUNICATION PANORAMIC ROOF PIANO LACQUER FLOWING LINES TRIM POWER REAR SEATS REAR DECK SPOILER IN BODY COLOR (PIO) REAR MEMORY SEATS REAR SEAT HEATING REAR SPOILER SOUND PERSONALIZATION SPORT PACKAGE CODE TRIM ELEMENT ON THE REAR APRON IN HIGH GLOSS BLACK AND EXTERIOR MIRROR HOUSING IN HIGH-GLOSS BLACK VENTILATED REAR SEATS WARMTH &, COMFORT PACKAGE -INC: HEATED REAR ARMRESTS WHEEL LOCKING BOLTS (PIO) WHEELS: 21" AMG ®, V-MULTISPOKE W/BLACK INLAYS -INC: TIRES: 255/35R21 FR &, 285/30R21 RR
4D Burmester, very nice. That’s an option I definitely want next time.
Care to share the price?
Yes, 4D was a mandatory option for me, especially after I heard it! Absolutely stunning.
I am an employee of the dealership so I got the car at invoice + CPO costs - so I paid $107K, which is staggering for a $154K vehicle!! I am super happy. I can live with it not having 20" wheels and the color of interior I wanted if I ordered it. This price is amazing so I can now have the paint correction/PPF done and if it needs new wheels, I will have saved enough for that as well. We will see how the 21s go in South Florida...roads are smooth but ya never know.
Yes, 4D was a mandatory option for me, especially after I heard it! Absolutely stunning.
You'll love the Burmester High End-- I'm honestly super happy for you... nice Christmas present that keeps on giving the whole year (better than the Jelly-of-the-Month club).
Sometimes I'll stay in my car for a good while, even once I'm back home in my garage, just because I don't want to open the door and stop the music...
Beware the M177 V8 which is developing a reputation for failed rear main crankshaft seal because of failed vapor separators resulting in crankcase overpressure. Bore scoring has also been reported on this site for this engine. Early days to say whether scoring will be widespread.
Beware the EQ Boost 48V system which MB has not gotten right, now into the fifth model year.
Suggestions:
1. Avoid this car.
2. Buy the most expensive aftermarket warranty (insurance) you can find, and plan time in your schedule for dealer visits and haranguing phone calls with dealer service associates and the aftermarket insurance company. And to be inconvenienced by way of loaners, or no loaners, while the car is in the shop.
Naturally, the S-Class doesn't use a M177 engine (except the AMG models) and the M176 is not developing a reputation for anything. These engines have only been out for 8 years and for 6 years in the S-Class. Tens of thousands of these engines are in circulation and the issues mentioned exist but are not at all widespread. Typical fear mongering from this user.
The 48V issues are well documented (related to Bosch - across several brands, not just MB) and seems to be largely taken care of. They can definitely be a nuisance though.
I agree that a good aftermarket or Mercedes extended warranty is a great idea and highly recommended. There are sponsors here that can help with good pricing. That of course would be my recommendation for every luxury car, not just Mercedes.
Naturally, the S-Class doesn't use a M177 engine (except the AMG models) and the M176 is not developing a reputation for anything. These engines have only been out for 8 years and for 6 years in the S-Class. Tens of thousands of these engines are in circulation and the issues mentioned exist but are not at all widespread. Typical fear mongering from this user.
The 48V issues are well documented (related to Bosch - across several brands, not just MB) and seems to be largely taken care of. They can definitely be a nuisance though.
I agree that a good aftermarket or Mercedes extended warranty is a great idea and highly recommended. There are sponsors here that can help with good pricing. That of course would be my recommendation for every luxury car, not just Mercedes.
Man, thanks for that response! I was a bit concerned but it did come across as 'fear mongering'...good to hear what you stated, though. My wife will kill me if this car turns out to be a problem child and I want to get rid of it in a year - you guys will be reading about me in the papers!! lol
Thanks, Steve. Oh, I much prefer the AMG trim - looks a lot better, to me personally.
Same, I would only buy the AMG line
Originally Posted by chassis
Beware the M177 V8 which is developing a reputation for failed rear main crankshaft seal because of failed vapor separators resulting in crankcase overpressure. Bore scoring has also been reported on this site for this engine. Early days to say whether scoring will be widespread.
Beware the EQ Boost 48V system which MB has not gotten right, now into the fifth model year.
Suggestions:
1. Avoid this car.
2. Buy the most expensive aftermarket warranty (insurance) you can find, and plan time in your schedule for dealer visits and haranguing phone calls with dealer service associates and the aftermarket insurance company. And to be inconvenienced by way of loaners, or no loaners, while the car is in the shop.
Wolfman beat me to it, but this car does not use the M177 engine. If you're going to just constantly rag on MB, at least get your info right. There is NO history of any of these issues with the M176 engine used in the S580. As when a few weeks ago when you were telling people that the W222 had a 48v system, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Would you be surprised to know that the MB OEM Extended warranty pricing on my S560 with the M176 engine was significantly cheaper than what I was quoted on my 2017 LS460L? Because I was sure surprised.
So, I locked in my purchase (thanks to all of your input and answering my questions) - getting this:
Congrats! Its a beauty!
Originally Posted by Wolfman
Naturally, the S-Class doesn't use a M177 engine (except the AMG models) and the M176 is not developing a reputation for anything. These engines have only been out for 8 years and for 6 years in the S-Class. Tens of thousands of these engines are in circulation and the issues mentioned exist but are not at all widespread. Typical fear mongering from this user.
Thanks, Steve. Between you and Wolfman's responses, feeling a LOT better. It does irk me to read 'Debbie-Downer' posts but all forms have them...every one I have been in. But very relieved to have knowledgeable guys counter with facts that as a noob, I wouldn't know straightaway.
That is a very interesting point you make about the Lexus vs MB extended warranty pricing. Very interesting. Also reassuring.
Be prepared - I will probably bury you guys with questions especially during or after I take delivery in Houston and drive it home to South Florida mid-Jan.
First thing I have to figure out is how to stop the overhead lights and moon roof from activating when I am talking with my hands to my wife on the way home from Houston! lol
Long drive, but the Distronic should make it easy. That’s one thing I really appreciate about this car is the “auto” cruise control. It takes a bit to get used to in regards to trust (at least for me), and it can be nerve racking if the freeway comes to an abrupt halt (it will slow you down but sometimes it’s too sudden for my liking), but it works great overall and makes long commutes a breeze. I would definitely get everything setup prior to your journey, like if you want it to automatically follow the speed limit, etc.
Yep, I played with that a bit on my way down and back fo the Miami airport...the only thing I didn't like was the auto adjust to the speed limit - reason is, I like to cruise at 83-85, and it irked me that it would slow me down to 65 automatically. Good to know I can set that to off (I hope?)...
I love adaptive cruise - a must have on my vehicles. My '18 Corvette Z06 doesn't have it and I hate that! I love when it slows me down to stop and then stops and goes in traffic. My wife hates that but I have grown to trust it in my vehicles. Seemed ot be just right in the S - but my Panamera would slam on the brakes and I hated that!!
Good point about setting it all up. I will definitely have it ready for me as we are going over to meet my new grandchild when born so we will be there for a few days - convenient I can pick it up and drive it home from there.
I am just worried how my wife will fare as she is extremely temperamental when it comes to seat comfort! She is fairly low maintenance for most everything in life except that. Oddly, she LOVES the seats in her 2019 F-250! I don't get it...
That is a very interesting point you make about the Lexus vs MB extended warranty pricing.
Be prepared - I will probably bury you guys with questions especially during or after I take delivery in Houston and drive it home to South Florida mid-Jan.
First thing I have to figure out is how to stop the overhead lights and moon roof from activating when I am talking with my hands to my wife on the way home from Houston! lol
Warranties... Since you mentioned that you're a dealership employee, I'll bet they'll also give you cost (or something very close to cost) on the CPO extended warranty (ELW). If you plan to keep the vehicle beyond 5 years from the original warranty start date, it's definitely worth looking into. Normally, I point people to Jeff Jackson at M-B Louisville, for pricing on Mercedes ELW's, but you'll likely be able to come in even a bit lower that he can. There's such HUGE markup in warranties... it pays to shop around and ask all the questions.
Interior Camera... There is a way to disable the "Gesture Control" or "Interior Assistant" functionality, by switching off the Driver Camera. This would eliminate the inadvertent activation of things with your hands.
However, be advised that the Driver Camera is used for many other functions, which would also be disabled: Microsleep Detection (part of Attention Assist), Facial Recognition/Authentication, 3D Driver Display, Head-Up Display w/ Augmented Reality, Automatic Side Mirror Pre-selection, etc. Maybe somebody here knows if there's a way to disable only the gesture controls without also disabling the driver camera, but I don't know it.
Long Drives...You'll love it! The S-Class shines no better than on long-distance journeys. I purchased mine in NJ and covered 2,200 miles on my way home... AMAZING!
Cruise Control...@Frenetic is correct! - You'll definitely want to disable "Active Speed Limit Assist," which will automatically adopt the posted speed limit. I unknowingly started my drive home with this enabled, and it startled/angered me every time it activated. I had to pull over at a rest area and hunt through all the menus, until I figured out how to kill it!
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