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I believe Mercedes as well as other manufacturers will be extending their ICE production timelines beyond 2030. I love my EV but I very much understand the limitations for many. We're just not there yet as an overall solution.
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Also plenty of people want EVs, EV market share is growing and is closing in on 10%.
Ultimately the end game is EV, when that will come for each model is what the question mark is.
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Is it reasonable to compare this upcoming transition to the old times when everyone was concerned about the automatic transmission tech taking over manual transmission cars?
Nobody wanted it, but everyone is driving automatic transmission now, and most people would not even consider manual if it was available.
I think of EVs the same way. Better all around. Transition will take time, and most people haven’t realized how superior EV drivetrains are… it’s towards the best.
Nobody wanted it, but everyone is driving automatic transmission now, and most people would not even consider manual if it was available.
I think of EVs the same way. Better all around. Transition will take time, and most people haven’t realized how superior EV drivetrains are… it’s towards the best.
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Thanks for all the above comments, I got it. No doubt electric lux is the way to go. BUT, the gov'mint has been standing with it's finger in it's ear and not producing any charging stations comparable to fuel stations for how long now? This is a dog chasing it's tail. Mean while we're back to the original question.
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Thanks for all the above comments, I got it. No doubt electric lux is the way to go. BUT, the gov'mint has been standing with it's finger in it's ear and not producing any charging stations comparable to fuel stations for how long now? This is a dog chasing it's tail. Mean while we're back to the original question.
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Thanks for all the above comments, I got it. No doubt electric lux is the way to go. BUT, the gov'mint has been standing with it's finger in it's ear and not producing any charging stations comparable to fuel stations for how long now? This is a dog chasing it's tail. Mean while we're back to the original question.
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I wisely choose to go where I want, when I want, how I want. I would never consider owning an EV that was charged anyplace but my garage. I chaff at taking 5 minutes to get gas; 20 minutes at some charging station I had to go out of my way to get to, isn't happening as long as my money can buy ICE.
Now, local use and charging in the garage; that's an EV I might own if someone would make one that interests me.
Now, local use and charging in the garage; that's an EV I might own if someone would make one that interests me.
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I wisely choose to go where I want, when I want, how I want. I would never consider owning an EV that was charged anyplace but my garage. I chaff at taking 5 minutes to get gas; 20 minutes at some charging station I had to go out of my way to get to, isn't happening as long as my money can buy ICE.
Now, local use and charging in the garage; that's an EV I might own if someone would make one that interests me.
Now, local use and charging in the garage; that's an EV I might own if someone would make one that interests me.
The time it takes to charge doesn't bother me, what bothers me is being concerned about finding good options to charge with working equipment and no lines when I need to charge.
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Again I really don't think that charging time is a big issue if the car can do a good 300-350-sh miles all highway miles. That's about the time you would want to at least stop to stretch your legs, take a quick meal or snack, and a bio-break. I drive with family, and I find all the EV charging stops to be really convenient. Once every 4 hours after driving 300-320 miles, and it lasts no more than 25 minutes. I never found myself waiting that long while actually in the car. Not as bad as I though it was. If the car was doing only 150-250 of highway speed miles and I need to stop every 2.5 hours, it would start to get annoying to do 20-30 min charge that often.
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I don't snack at home, let alone at a fill up, I don't take breaks, or do anything else at a gas station. The nozzle goes in, I pump, if a coffee unload is warranted I'll still be back before the pump stops and when it's done, I'm rolling. I don't stop for longer until I get where I'm going if it's less than 12 hours. If it's longer it's hotel/wine time after a day in the saddle and I pick it back up the next day. I never road tripped with the family, they were too slow, so we flew if it was any distance and rented a car there to get around that.
At this point I know a fair few people with EVs. None of them travel with the car; it's at least a second car for all of them. I fully believe anyone who says they do it, but I have eyes, it doesn't seem to be the norm around here. I'd also venture that this tells me everything I need to know about the current state of charging in this area versus just taking the other car.
At this point I know a fair few people with EVs. None of them travel with the car; it's at least a second car for all of them. I fully believe anyone who says they do it, but I have eyes, it doesn't seem to be the norm around here. I'd also venture that this tells me everything I need to know about the current state of charging in this area versus just taking the other car.
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I don't snack at home, let alone at a fill up, I don't take breaks, or do anything else at a gas station. The nozzle goes in, I pump, if a coffee unload is warranted I'll still be back before the pump stops and when it's done, I'm rolling. I don't stop for longer until I get where I'm going if it's less than 12 hours. If it's longer it's hotel/wine time after a day in the saddle and I pick it back up the next day. I never road tripped with the family, they were too slow, so we flew if it was any distance and rented a car there to get around that.
At this point I know a fair few people with EVs. None of them travel with the car; it's at least a second car for all of them. I fully believe anyone who says they do it, but I have eyes, it doesn't seem to be the norm around here. I'd also venture that this tells me everything I need to know about the current state of charging in this area versus just taking the other car.
At this point I know a fair few people with EVs. None of them travel with the car; it's at least a second car for all of them. I fully believe anyone who says they do it, but I have eyes, it doesn't seem to be the norm around here. I'd also venture that this tells me everything I need to know about the current state of charging in this area versus just taking the other car.
At the end of the day, it just requires some flexibility on your part. I can be flexible with a 30 minute stop on a 350 mile trip even though it might not be my preference to get the other really positive tradeoffs, like the smooth incredible EV powertrain and not having to get gas every week when driving locally. Some people are so obstinate that they just won't ever let themselves adapt.
What I won't be flexible with it having a hard time finding a charger when I need one. The legnth of the stop doesn't worry me.
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Sure, for the 5% of my driving that's more than half the range of my EV, a gas vehicle is better. That's what happens when you pick a secretary of transportation because he was the gayest guy for the job, instead of someone who actually knows something about transportation. The government gave a bazillion of my tax dollars to corporations for charging infrastructure and those corporations have now decided to build lots of ICE vehicles with the money instead. 
But for the other 95% of my driving that's less than 20 miles I actually feel bad even starting up the gas car. I'll have gone to Walmart and back in my EQE before the Jag has even really warmed up.
But for the other 95% of my driving that's less than 20 miles I actually feel bad even starting up the gas car. I'll have gone to Walmart and back in my EQE before the Jag has even really warmed up.
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Thats why unless you are someone who can have multiple cars, we all have to choose a car that fits the majority of our needs. For me since I only travel in my car 3-4 times a year tops, really an EV is a better vehicle for me. I would not at current replace our family car with a full EV, because we travel in it more. Its a PHEV that is driven mainly as an EV in normal use though.
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You both make some good points, no question, I agree with a lot of what you've been saying, particularly on the stop times: Believe it or not I counted the numbers myself.
If forced to make a guess I'd say your view probably is closer to the mainstream than mine; or at least the mainstream that is trying to think it through instead of just loving/hating EVs based on facebook fallacies.
I'm not against EVs, I first test drove a model S when it came out, I had a Taycan turbo for a few days, test drove some of the current offerings with the EQS perhaps seeing the most play on this forum. As you'll likely recall I don't test drive cars unless I have an actual interest; it's something I might buy. The EQS (to me) was less car than this one. The Model S was my first and it left me impressed with the instant power, but the quality back then was really poor, and I don't like how they do their controls. I'm a Porsche fan and had been over there for a while when I drove the Taycan; that one is down in quality compared to the Panamera, and while almost as big, the packaging is worse, and not by a little bit.
The 7 is one I would have taken for a test if it wasn't for the shnozz, I haven't been able to overcome that challenge. I'm interested in the Macan but that will have to wait till it's out in the wild. If someone makes the right car, I'm going to sample it.
If forced to make a guess I'd say your view probably is closer to the mainstream than mine; or at least the mainstream that is trying to think it through instead of just loving/hating EVs based on facebook fallacies.
I'm not against EVs, I first test drove a model S when it came out, I had a Taycan turbo for a few days, test drove some of the current offerings with the EQS perhaps seeing the most play on this forum. As you'll likely recall I don't test drive cars unless I have an actual interest; it's something I might buy. The EQS (to me) was less car than this one. The Model S was my first and it left me impressed with the instant power, but the quality back then was really poor, and I don't like how they do their controls. I'm a Porsche fan and had been over there for a while when I drove the Taycan; that one is down in quality compared to the Panamera, and while almost as big, the packaging is worse, and not by a little bit.
The 7 is one I would have taken for a test if it wasn't for the shnozz, I haven't been able to overcome that challenge. I'm interested in the Macan but that will have to wait till it's out in the wild. If someone makes the right car, I'm going to sample it.
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You both make some good points, no question, I agree with a lot of what you've been saying, particularly on the stop times: Believe it or not I counted the numbers myself.
If forced to make a guess I'd say your view probably is closer to the mainstream than mine; or at least the mainstream that is trying to think it through instead of just loving/hating EVs based on facebook fallacies.
I'm not against EVs, I first test drove a model S when it came out, I had a Taycan turbo for a few days, test drove some of the current offerings with the EQS perhaps seeing the most play on this forum. As you'll likely recall I don't test drive cars unless I have an actual interest; it's something I might buy. The EQS (to me) was less car than this one. The Model S was my first and it left me impressed with the instant power, but the quality back then was really poor, and I don't like how they do their controls. I'm a Porsche fan and had been over there for a while when I drove the Taycan; that one is down in quality compared to the Panamera, and while almost as big, the packaging is worse, and not by a little bit.
The 7 is one I would have taken for a test if it wasn't for the shnozz, I haven't been able to overcome that challenge. I'm interested in the Macan but that will have to wait till it's out in the wild. If someone makes the right car, I'm going to sample it.
If forced to make a guess I'd say your view probably is closer to the mainstream than mine; or at least the mainstream that is trying to think it through instead of just loving/hating EVs based on facebook fallacies.
I'm not against EVs, I first test drove a model S when it came out, I had a Taycan turbo for a few days, test drove some of the current offerings with the EQS perhaps seeing the most play on this forum. As you'll likely recall I don't test drive cars unless I have an actual interest; it's something I might buy. The EQS (to me) was less car than this one. The Model S was my first and it left me impressed with the instant power, but the quality back then was really poor, and I don't like how they do their controls. I'm a Porsche fan and had been over there for a while when I drove the Taycan; that one is down in quality compared to the Panamera, and while almost as big, the packaging is worse, and not by a little bit.
The 7 is one I would have taken for a test if it wasn't for the shnozz, I haven't been able to overcome that challenge. I'm interested in the Macan but that will have to wait till it's out in the wild. If someone makes the right car, I'm going to sample it.
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