BobinIL

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BobinIL

I think it's a RR Spectre.

W205C43PFL

Oh so the fully electric one?

teksurv

Yes, that's a Spectre, all electric.

W205C43PFL

nice blue, looks a lot like lunar blue but brighter, Gentian blue or Tanzanite blue.

Streamliner

The car was spectacular looking in person, much better than my crummy photos. That said, over a HALF MILLION? It’s not THAT nice—and how much BETTER is it than a BMW I7?

SW20S

Its not about it being quantifiably better, a Rolls Royce has an appeal that no BMW or Mercedes is ever going to have.

hyperion667

More like Spectacle......thing is hideous.
I do realize it's in the eye of the beholder

ajm0623

More like Spectacle......[/QUOTE]

teksurv

It's hard to find a proper 2-door luxury EV coupe. And of course being a Rolls-Royce, it's at the top. After all, it caught your attention

S_W222

In my view, the price and ownership experience of a RR has never been about justifying it's price... It's like buying a Rolex that does nothing better than an Apple Watch functionality wise except that it is so appealing. If you want a RR, you want it for a different reason than (I need a better car). Bentley cars in my view are better priced compared to their true value, and are just around where the true "end of return" is. They drive better than Mbenz and BMW but they are not that much more expensive.

SW20S

Its for people for whom price just means nothing.

crabman

Yep, value is relative. I don't recall the referenced rich person; it was a ditty going around in the early days of the internet via email. Bill Gates is so rich that (X), Micheal Jordan is so rich that (X), etc. Like I said, cant remember which rich guy, but the scale was that a Ferrari as an expense for that man, was similar to me buying an 18 dollar t-shirt. I don't really wear t-shirts except for the gym, but on the rare day I go to buy one I'm not looking at price tags, it's meaningless. I would guess it's the same with the average Rolls buyer.

Streamliner

I would have to disagree on the “drive better” comment. I remember test driving a “New” Flying Spur when they first came out and how disappointed I was compared to my 2018 S560 with MBC, 18” wheels & non-run flat tires. The big Bentley did not drive or ride as nicely as my S560–not nearly. It drove as huge as it was and felt as though it was “plodding” along, feeling very heavy and bulbous. In addition, the driver’s seat felt a bit cramped to me, with the overly large center console. When I got back into my car afterwards, I remember saying to myself “YES!” Kind of how I felt when I first test drove the BMW I7, but with that car, I believe the word I used was WOW!

W205C43PFL

I wonder if it was because S-Class was more luxury/ride comfort oriented and the Flying Spur was more performance oriented or um.. sporty ... in a sense?

SW20S

Thats what it is. I have not driven a Flying Spur, but there is a comparison test between it ans the W223 and they made the same comment that Stream made.

S_W222

I don’t disagree with you, but everything you mentioned above is why I said that the new Flying Spur “drives better” than the S-class…. It’s simply because things that I care about in a car are those things that you didn’t like. I prefer a more nimble but still sporty sedans.. It’s probably the reason I’d always go with BMW when I can and S-class is the only Mbenz car I see myself ever owning again in the future for it’s luxury…. But I still value sporty stiff yet comfort sedans more than the drive that S560 with MBC offers. It’s really hard to choose and I think that’s where you get to a level wherein there is no “that’s better or that’s the best” drive… They are all good enough that most people can enjoy as a daily-drive.

RJC

MB is now Chinese owned --- or are you just being facetious b/c they kiss their ***?

RJC

Gorgeous and a nice color combo. Phantom replacement.

RJC

It was an easy bump as the new CLE 53 AMG's I-6 engine is also 443HP, but the 53 has a ~12 sec over boost for extra trq to 443, does the S have this as well?

Wolfman

MB is not Chinese-owned. Not sure where this is coming from. Other companies like Volvo, Lotus and MG are in fact Chinese car companies but MB is definitely not. All Asian shares combined (strategic & institutional) amount to 20.66% which is not much more than the US-held shares of roughly 18%. A large portion of the Chinese shares are owned by BAIC Group (9.99%) but that can also be seen more as a joint venture scenario as that provided a larger entry of Mercedes in the Chinese market. They manufacture multiple Mercedes models in China.

SW20S

For people complaining these new vehicles are targeted at China at the expense of us here...

The BMW 7 Series is enjoying success in the US it has not seen in generations. Would you be amazed to know that its actually outselling the S Class this year? The S Class only outsold it last year by 500 units. In 22 the S Class outsold it by 3:1. In 2015 when both cars were new generation the S Class outsold it by 2.5:1. So, its fine to say that its not designed for the US, but plenty of people in the US are buying it.

So, not sure how you can fault MB for making the S Class stand out a little more. Sitting next to a 7 Series I have to say that although I prefer the styling of the W223, it does look small and extremely nondescript.

Wolfman

Sure, the 7 series is such a success that BMW is supporting it as much as Mercedes is the EQS series. BMW focuses on volume while Mercedes as part of their strategy on branding and margin. There is a reason why the price differential is so significant in the lease price, something you noted here more than once.
You should also remove all electrified 7 Series models from the US sales when comparing with thew S-Class.

SW20S

Thats totally not true. I am actively negotiating deals on 7 Series and S Classes and the 7 Series is no more supported than the S Class, and nothing like an EQS. The lease prices are almost identical. i7 or S580 similar MSRP the S580 is maybe $30 more a month. 760s actually don't lease as well as an S580, a 760 would be ~$200 more a month than an S580 of similar MSRP.

The bottom line is, the new 7 is doing incredibly well and BMW's approach with the car definitely worked.

Wolfman

Not sure how you are getting the same prices when the i7 has triple the trunk money before discounts, a lower MF (.00150 vs .00170) and a higher residual (54% vs 50% on 36/10).