BMWEATR

your right mostly, if the driver wsn't going to fast it wouldn't of happened at all, but, when you do have a problem at speed,(going fast enough to were you need to be a good driver to save it) the computer gets in the way and causes things to get worse, though its trying to do its job.

TX4Runner

If we were really concerned about the price of gas, we wouldn't have bought exotic cars or SUV's. We'd all be driving Honda hybrids.

Some how I don't many of the members giving up their cars anytime some for fuel efficiency reasons.

I personally find the Stability control on my BMW comes on a little too early, but I don't think it would cause an accident even at speed unless your on a public road that isn't wide enough to account for a margin of error.

Lov2xlr8

i dont think ur trying to bash the S55, its just hard for me to beleive that it would brake the car so it should continue to go the wrong way. the computer is meant to stop the car from skiding. i just cant understand.

NOTKTS

Don't take what I said the wrong way. I'm not *****ing about what my cars get MPG wise. Your right if I was concerned with that I wouldn’t of bought the cars. I get around 8mpg avg in the city with both the ESV and the Murc... What I'm saying is that the prices of gas shouldn't be like they are currently *cough* OPEC *cough*

BMWEATR

yea i hear ya, its a tough one to grasp if you've never been in a 4 wheel slid around a corner

normally if your in a 4 wheel drift you gas out of it not brake out of it, cause when you brake your momentum will kick the a$$ end around and you'll start swapping and you lose control, when you lose traction in the s it kicks the brakes on and off and then your momentum takes over and in the right situation you crash.

it's still the drivers fault for going to fast, but were a experienced driver could most likely save it the computer messes with the outcome.

Lov2xlr8

i hear what your saying. i guess 'if your going too fast' there isnt much anyone can do sometimes, let alone good drivers.

schwarzwagen

so it isnt the computers fault, esp cannot defy the laws of physics.

Lov2xlr8

thats right. MB have a foot note about that everywhere they talk about ESP and ASR.

schwarzwagen

If you drive "fast" and think you have the talent, there is always the ESP off button on the dashboard. Keep in mind, however, that ASR is still there and ESP is still there but with a higher threshold.

The extent of the damage to this car suggests that the driver was going way to fast anyway; I seriously doubt that any amount of driving heroics would have saved this car from destruction.

Plus, who the heck drifts an S-Class? Go get an AE86 or something if you like doing that.

CynCarvin32

Blaming ESP seems a bit hard to believe. Understeer is the easier of the two skids for which to correct.

I have pushed every amg sans 65's to the limit and i have never seen this happen. ESP drags the inside rear when the car plows. There is no way that will make you crash.

Dont get me wrong...im really glad the car protected the driver and passenger and that is why we all love our MB's but blaming this on ESP seems really really far fetched. I beat the heck out of an S55 at the AMG challenge and it was just fine with me telling it what to do.

Drive an AMG in dyno mode at the track and let me know if it feels under control. The car wants to go every which way other than the way you want it to go. With no esp, bas, asr, abs these amg cars are fairly out of control. Try to threshold brake in a AMG set in dynomode. it will make your heart skip a beat

Computers cant correct for driver error in every case. if esp was not there the car would have plowed off the road. there are not many drivers out there who could make a W220 change its line in a corner when the car is already plowing.

Im not here to make light of people going to the hospital because of a very serious car wreck but to say ESP caused it a bit far fetched. Laws of physics are still laws of physics. No computer ecu can work magic.

I wish the driver and the passenger the best and hope they are back at it soon. I pray that this never happens to my self my family, fellow board members , or anyone for that matter. Wrecks always make me think twice...

Doctodd33

Big question....what kind of car/truck did they hit? Were they wearing seatbelts?

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BMWEATR

trees, and went off cliff on the way to tahoe, NV hwy-50 i think.--no seat belts.(pretty stupid)probrably why they both had broken legs.

BMWEATR

i agree!

Kerr

I think they are the winner of most damages S i have ever seen.

On a side not i have about done the same to my G500 many times.

If i was a guessing man they where probably in a turn and the ESP crap came on causing the car to nose die. This cause steering problems and your butt eats leather. At least this is what it does in the G wagon even if your not driving like fooooking idiot as stated above.

FThornton666

I dont think i would be here today if it wasnt for ESP. In a friends 2002 E320, he is trying to show off to me...i dont know why, takes a exit ramp at like 60, hit somes water, he cant correct it. ESP says....WTF you thinking you doing here let me fix this, ESP straigtens us back up, and we live on to tell the day. He would of hit the curb, rolled it and onto a busy street, maybe even back onto the freeway.

MBHustla858

that car is at the copart auction, and that car is available for live online auction.

TruE320Ridah14

damn is all I got to say

Justinius7

i have mixed emotions about ESP... good and bad

Good... first week i had my coupe, took the "backroads home" late one evening. I honestly believed i was OK as I was DD and only had 2 drinks over a long period of time. I hit the curvy/winding road at 75+ mph speeds my RX-7 has been running for years.. Not knowing the car yet, or its inability to perform as a RX-7 can. Lost ALL control. I tried to pull it back but could not recover. SUDDENLY ESP KICKS IN... slows the car way down and finishes up the corner for me. Were all safe and sound, with the memories a cliff wall, a cliff drop off and the trees that would have hopefully saved our lives.

BAD... ESP, takes alot of the "sports car" out of the "sports coupe" But due to the above story, it never gets turned off.

mez456

Hey Doctodd...I noticed in your sig you flipped the CLS55 already. Did you buy it and keep it a couple months? Why did you get rid of it? Just curious. I heard theese are amazing cars. Top Gear raved about the cars performance and it seems they hate the Germans (except Porcshe).

Mez

MercedesFanatic

Wow, that's some sweet gas prices...
Here: approximately $5 dollars. It's like $1 dollar 50 cent a liter..

Mmmm

Any update on what happened ?

I've had no problems with ESP, on track, on road even when being silly

see vid shows bits of cars handling.

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=A...igclipNOsmusic

ruykava

ooh, this is sad indeed. heh, if he wanted to get rid of his S55, he should have given it to me!! the damn things cost almost US$500,000 over here! bloody hell.

btw, i'm very sure Merc's electronics does not change the throttle or the steering - it's a lawsuit magnet. the ESP meanwhile brakes the wheels lightly so you can control where you're heading - if you're drifting, unless you're very experienced and used to the car, it's far too easy to lose control and end up spinning off the road or into other cars. with luck, sure, the driver might have spun out of an accident, but the probability is miniscule. pretty hard to spin at will as well. anyway, glad they're alive with relatively minor injuries - i always wear seatbelts even in the rear - that way i know come what may i probably still won't die :p

btw, one guy in malaysia just got a fine for speeding at 2,000km/h!! guess there's some more calibration to be done in the speed cameras...

BoBcanada

Is there a way to download this clip?

benzmodz

The nut behind the wheel must have snapped.

newton22

I'm curious. I really want to find a huge skidpad and speed this thing up to 80 mph and then try to lose control, just to see if the computer does what its supposed to do, or not.

Anyhow, glad to hear everyone okay.