hayden

An email I thought I should share with you all:


Dear [deleted in post],

Good to hear from you and thank you for writing to us.

For the new Series 221 S-Class, we plan both the upcoming S65 AMG (V-12) as well as a replacement for the outgoing S55 AMG (V-8).
Although the new vehicle has not been named in public yet, you can probably guess that the AMG V-8 S-Class will be based on the new generation "63" AMG engine. I cannot reveal specifics on this model to you yet, but I can promise that its performance will be outstanding and it will take advantage of many of the new features found on the new S65 AMG (compound brakes with sliding caliper design for example).

We have not yet released any market launch timing, but you can expect this new AMG early next year.

Keep an eye on the automotive press, especially European reports later this summer since details on this car will appear there first.
Also, be sure to log onto our website www.mercedes-amg.com/privatelounge
since the earliest information we publish will appear here.

Thanks again for taking the time to write.

Best Regards,

Rob

Robert F. Allan
Manager, AMG
Product Management
Mercedes-Benz USA LLC

MB Fanatic

Bloody right. I can finally get an S63 in the coming year or so. I hope this is true as I would be more than willing to plump a deposit down for the S63.

hayden

Same here. It's going to feel like forever between now and then. I hope they have the Rear Seat Entertainment available by that time.

MB Fanatic

Same here. Now the real question is whether or not its a FI engine or a simple NA engine. I for one am hoping its the FI 63 engine. The RSE would just be icing on the cake.

vivaki

Nothing new really as I already said in the other S63 AMG thread a long time ago that the V8 6.3 AMG will come early 2007 (Feb/March) and it will be naturally aspirated.

So go and put ur deposits down now

MB Fanatic

If its going to be a NA engine, screw it. Id rather go ahead with the S65 purchase.

ajf1

It will be a turbo charged engine, a friend who is a manager for a benz dealership was in a corporate meeting with rob allen's boss and it was said the s and cl will have turbo charged engine.

hayden

I'm sure that relates to the 65. There is no way they are going to change the engine. I'm guessing it will certainly be a 63 that is nearly identical to that in the E, CLS, etc (ofcourse tuned slightly different with a some extra hp perhaps)

Germancar1

I doubt it because the new engine doesn't have the torque and the hp would be the same as before, 493hp to 514, not enough differences to move the heavier S/CL and eventually CL. The new S63 will have 571hp, the S65 is already out so why would they still be discussing that?

M

whoover

I agree that the turbo makes sense. The "performance will be outstanding" comment in the email would seem to telegraph that this much heavier car won't be shamed by, say, an E63, not to mention an S55. Low-end torque is critical to the AMG experience, especially in the heavier S-class and to the S-class driver. The tradeoff of higher revs for bottom end might be marginally acceptable in an E or CLS, but will be unsatisfactory for many (most?) S55 drivers. (Gearing is also part of the E-vs-S experience difference, and this makes the problem worse.) AMG knows all of this well.

The big question is the transmission. Will it still use the 5-speed, or will they finally have a hardened 7-speed?

Paganis Zonda

Just wondering...Do you by chance know a man named Bob Rock? He works for MBUSA, and was a contact there when I was working for Mercedes.

hayden

No, I don't know him. Some of you out there that have taken the AMG challenge have probably met Rob. That's how I was introduced to him.

I'll be curious to see what the engine and transmission ends up being. I imagine we'll know in the next two months. They are probably holding out to try to get some 65's sold...

AsianML

Why would they make all that hype about the new 6.3L engine being N/A, blah blah blah, and then end up making the S63 (and CL63 supposedly) a TT. Just doesn't make sense to me.

vraa

Perhaps they have two version of the 63? Just like how they have a n/a 55 and a sc 55.

//AMG55lover

Read this also:

https://mbworld.org/forums/s55-amg-s65-amg-s63-amg-w220-w221/151844-first-s-63-amg-pictures.html

deedee

Make snese to me..... Since 7er doesn't have M version and Audi A8/S8 are not even threating S-class...... As well as the upcoming CL-class.. It has no real competitors at all. SL AMG may have to face M6 Cab, 997 Turbo and Turbo Cab tho.

I don't believe AMG would develop another version of 63 engine specially for S and CL only, which both have no competitors in its class.

whoover

If AMG doesn't increase the output of the 6.3 (especially torque) for the S63, it will compare badly to the S55. If they do increase the output by even 50 HP they jeopardize the S65 franchise. As it is, it is hard to justify $60,000 or more for 200 ccs and 100 HP. Yes, the torque comparison is a bit more favorable, but the 7-speed vs. 5-speed dulls that edge as well. AMG marketing must be losing sleep.

It will be very interesting to watch this play out.