Random thoughts from first drives of my S63
a) Car is clearly not close to broken in yet, but ....
b) drives really well, doesn't feel any bigger than my M5 and feels much smaller to me than previous S cars that i drove, including a recent year S55
c) Threw it around a few curves on sunset blvd here in LA, handles really nicely
d) Pretty peppy and i am sure will be more so at 2-3k miles. What this car is missing though is a more aggressive shift program. The M5 has several user selectable shift speeds, and at the fastest sitting it is brutally fast and you drive it like a manual -- give it throttle, ease of a tad, quickly shift, and the snap of the shift moves you forward. This car is better than a traditional automatic in M mode (and a pretty good automatic in S) but doesn't have that kind of responsiveness
e) nothing like a porsche, even at 200 hp less, for fun driving. For a sedan, this is a pretty good alternative
f) pleased with build quality and interior quality, even though not as nice as 600
I agree with you totally on this, and at last, a 2007 AMG S owner who isnt completely head over heels !!
I can tell instantly you have owned/driven some nice ride's, as you comments are not complete praise of this car.
I will say now a S63/65 are nice car's, but not fantastic.
They are no Porsche - agreed.
Little bland, in terms of gear changes/responsivness
I drove the S65 for a month, wasnt impressed - but either way, you have a top class car !
I can't imagine anyone buying any S-class expecting it to be a Porsche.
It is what it is...and I think it does what it was designed to be and what it is marketed to be, very well.
I drive real sports cars when I want a sports car experience.
I didn't buy it to be the "swiss army knife" of the automobile experience.
There is not one car built that covers every need of every buyer.
If anyone bought any S-class with the intent to road race it...you are an idiot.
I agree partly with you, no car can meet everyone's expectations, it would be difficult.
But of course you would buy a S63/65 to road race, what are you supposed to do with all that power, my pals even raced there rolls royce phantom against my clk55 cab a year ago! (both sold now) but the phantom is a car to be driven at 50 tops, but we even raced that.
But of course all AMG's are to be raced, the S65 i raced it everyday, just the size and weight which let the handling down a little, plus the power wasnt a match for everything.
But you cannot defend an AMG when it comes to performance, i expect AMG's to be worthy of any car on the road. You wouldnt buy a AMG for anything else surely ?? Buy a maybach otherwise ?!?!
I am very critical with car's now, as i have owned 100's in my few short years, and i am talking high end/exotic.
I just feel some people get a little overwhelmed with new car's, like stepping out of ford into a merc (gt40 excused) its like wow, but if you step out of a rolls to a merc its like oh !!
You see
Also, as this is a MERC site, i only list the car's I drive which a merc's (i do have many other's).
Only Merc's now are 2002 C32 AMG (quite attatched to this one - now retired/garaged as it was my 1st AMg so will never sell it) and a new S320 CDI - Daily drive, good economy !
I can't imagine anyone buying any S-class expecting it to be a Porsche.
It is what it is...and I think it does what it was designed to be and what it is marketed to be, very well.
I drive real sports cars when I want a sports car experience.
I didn't buy it to be the "swiss army knife" of the automobile experience.
There is not one car built that covers every need of every buyer.
If anyone bought any S-class with the intent to road race it...you are an idiot.
Know several guys who own both 599 and CL63; drive both for daily commuting and wkend twisties....and have zero interest in tracks...
599 is amazingly comfortable and daily-useable, but has dubious passive safety...yet this 4000lb luxury coupe generates NBR times that few supposedly track-oriented cars on planet today can rival/beat, even w/a one-dimensional focus on non-daily-useable performance....
CL63 (and likely S63) represent a brilliant real-world balance of performance and safety (and suspect NBR time of 4600lb CL63 will rival/beat that of 3200lb 997S)....if Ferrari ever develops AMG-like passive safety, CL63 would be largely irrelevant...and S63/65 would just be cool-looking limos for guys to use for commuting in NYC...or to haul kids around in suburbia....
On real-world public roads, abilities of any sporty car to deliver safety/steering precision/chassis balance/tq/comfort, etc etc are prob different from expectations/realities of a track-focused car....and many track-focused cars end up being less confidence-inspiring (vs 599/S or CL63) on a bumpy set of mtn twisties where one faces oncoming cars (and many other poss surprises)....than on a smooth, dry, relatively flat private track w/controlled access to fellow drivers.....

I agree with you totally.
My opinion was specific to the S63/65.
As for C32AMGUK,
With all the great cars to take to the track (road race, not drag race) why would anyone choose a nearly 5000lbs. limo?
Easy...they wouldn't.
It is logical that those who have these cars (I speak from personal experience) can also afford a sports car or two.
I agree AMG cars should be sporty and powerful, and they are.
I just think it absurd to expect a limo, no matter the power, to effectively be compared to a Porsche...as you insinuate that it should yet fails and it is part of their shortcomings.
It is a good thing you are not in the marketing biz.
I don't hail the car to be the second coming of Christ, I just enjoy mine for now.
As you stated, this is a MB site. It would be nice if you would stop pissing on everyone who enjoys the cars they have purchased.
This is not the first thread you have hijacked. For someone who thinks that MB is crap, why do you purchase them?
Who the hell buys any S class for an economy car? Ridiculous.
You've owned hundreds of cars in the past couple of years?

You allude to ownership of a Rolls...but you need an economy car?

And your MB of choice is a C-class with 133K miles?

I saw how you were trying to stir up **** on that S65 thread and ran over the C class section to rally anyone who would come over and join in with your bull****, by telling all the C class owners that the S class owners think they are better than everyone else because they think they have money
...are you even old enough to drive? https://mbworld.org/forums/c32-amg-c55-amg-w203/202068-wow-have-you-c32-c55-guys-checked-out-s-class-amg-threads.html
No one bothered. No one cared.
You cracked on that S65 owner for bragging yet in nearly every thread you post on, you mention all the expensive, exotic cars you've already owned.

By all means, if you have something entertaining or intelligent to contribute, please do. If not, please go play on the LS1 boards where you belong.
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definitely not perfect. am considering swapping my 2000 911 C4 Cab for a new Turbo for those days when i don't need practicality. But for what i got it for and it is designed to do, I think the S63 is great
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Here's the real deal on the S63. On the WHOLE, it handles, accelerates, comforts and inspires as much or MORE than any other production sedan on the market today. Note: I said production sedan. To compare an ultra-high performance sedan to a purpose-built sports car is a waste of everyone's time; and I wish that people who have enough money to buy an S63 would demonstrate some of the intellectual horsepower that should go along with such a wonderful decision.
People who own Patek Philippe watches don't tell others that it can't keep the same time as a Seiko. Of course it can't--but a product is not about any one thing. It is about a TOTAL experience. I doubt that some guy in his Porsche Turbo on a 300 mile trip to Vegas doesn't wish he had a roomy, comfortable rocketship like an S63 to make the trip in as he starts feeling the pain somewhere around Barstow.
I wish you dont-know-it-alls would stop making gratuitous and somewhat ignorant statements about something that you obviously know little about. You're like the guy who goes to the best restaurant in town and finds 3 things wrong with it. Never happy. Always trying to impress others with your systemic lack of joy.
You are just a permanent cloud on the fun of life. And, you're better off buying a car that suits your inability to discern greatness. Please discover the Mustang GT site and rain on their parade for a while.
Here's the real deal on the S63. On the WHOLE, it handles, accelerates, comforts and inspires as much or MORE than any other production sedan on the market today. Note: I said production sedan. To compare an ultra-high performance sedan to a purpose-built sports car is a waste of everyone's time; and I wish that people who have enough money to buy an S63 would demonstrate some of the intellectual horsepower that should go along with such a wonderful decision.
People who own Patek Philippe watches don't tell others that it can't keep the same time as a Seiko. Of course it can't--but a product is not about any one thing. It is about a TOTAL experience. I doubt that some guy in his Porsche Turbo on a 300 mile trip to Vegas doesn't wish he had a roomy, comfortable rocketship like an S63 to make the trip in as he starts feeling the pain somewhere around Barstow.
I wish you dont-know-it-alls would stop making gratuitous and somewhat ignorant statements about something that you obviously know little about. You're like the guy who goes to the best restaurant in town and finds 3 things wrong with it. Never happy. Always trying to impress others with your systemic lack of joy.
You are just a permanent cloud on the fun of life. And, you're better off buying a car that suits your inability to discern greatness. Please discover the Mustang GT site and rain on their parade for a while.

My question is - how much sharper is the AMG to drive than the standard car? To be honest, I was happy to be back in the M5 after a couple of hours in the S500.
My question is - how much sharper is the AMG to drive than the standard car? To be honest, I was happy to be back in the M5 after a couple of hours in the S500.

But the serious answer to your question depends on whether the S500 you drove had the sport package and, especially, ABC. The lower-profile tires of the sport package make a significant difference in handling. But ABC transforms the S-Class from one optimized for comfort to one optimized for handling. They are very different experiences. If you drove an ABC car, you would find the S63 improved, but familiar, in the handling department. If your S500 was not ABC, that driving experience would be irrelevant to the AMG, which has a recalibrated ABC suspension standard.
2007 S320 CDI 8k Miles
Also I currently have:
2007 Porsche 911 Turbo Tip S - Sport Chrono+Overboost function+Carbon cermamic brakes 900Miles
2006 Pagoni Zonda C12 F 7300cc 650 BHP Clubsport White/Carbon 300 Miles
2007 Ferrari F430 Spider F1 Conv - In Grigio Silverstone/Daytona Seats 1235Miles
2007 Bentley Arnage T (500) 6800cc + Sports combination 19" spilt rims etc 2350Miles
If any 1 is interested, I will be visiting Silverstone, in nov this year, a sponsored track day, i will be taking my Pagoni there, on a flatbed. Come down and see me!! More info if any1 is interested.
I won the national lottery 3 years ago !! Seriously !! Its a UK lottery, so i am not a real estate agent or stockbroker, but hey, I am still worth a bit !!
Thanks
2007 S320 CDI 8k Miles
Also I currently have:
2007 Porsche 911 Turbo Tip S - Sport Chrono+Overboost function+Carbon cermamic brakes 900Miles
2006 Pagoni Zonda C12 F 7300cc 650 BHP Clubsport White/Carbon 300 Miles
2007 Ferrari F430 Spider F1 Conv - In Grigio Silverstone/Daytona Seats 1235Miles
2007 Bentley Arnage T (500) 6800cc + Sports combination 19" spilt rims etc 2350Miles
If any 1 is interested, I will be visiting Silverstone, in nov this year, a sponsored track day, i will be taking my Pagoni there, on a flatbed. Come down and see me!! More info if any1 is interested.
I won the national lottery 3 years ago !! Seriously !! Its a UK lottery, so i am not a real estate agent or stockbroker, but hey, I am still worth a bit !!
Thanks

But the serious answer to your question depends on whether the S500 you drove had the sport package and, especially, ABC. The lower-profile tires of the sport package make a significant difference in handling. But ABC transforms the S-Class from one optimized for comfort to one optimized for handling. They are very different experiences. If you drove an ABC car, you would find the S63 improved, but familiar, in the handling department. If your S500 was not ABC, that driving experience would be irrelevant to the AMG, which has a recalibrated ABC suspension standard.
No worries, will get a group picture posted over the next couple of weeks, just been raining here constant for 10 days now, as soon as it settle's I will get them pulled out and pictured!
Thanks
PS-Remember UK members, silverstone in Nov. Track day !!

But the serious answer to your question depends on whether the S500 you drove had the sport package and, especially, ABC. The lower-profile tires of the sport package make a significant difference in handling. But ABC transforms the S-Class from one optimized for comfort to one optimized for handling. They are very different experiences. If you drove an ABC car, you would find the S63 improved, but familiar, in the handling department. If your S500 was not ABC, that driving experience would be irrelevant to the AMG, which has a recalibrated ABC suspension standard.
Turtle - You've got a great car and you will love it ! Enjoy !






