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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 02:00 PM
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Random thoughts from first drives of my S63

(i compare to my Porsche Cab and my previous car, a 2006 M5)

a) Car is clearly not close to broken in yet, but ....
b) drives really well, doesn't feel any bigger than my M5 and feels much smaller to me than previous S cars that i drove, including a recent year S55
c) Threw it around a few curves on sunset blvd here in LA, handles really nicely
d) Pretty peppy and i am sure will be more so at 2-3k miles. What this car is missing though is a more aggressive shift program. The M5 has several user selectable shift speeds, and at the fastest sitting it is brutally fast and you drive it like a manual -- give it throttle, ease of a tad, quickly shift, and the snap of the shift moves you forward. This car is better than a traditional automatic in M mode (and a pretty good automatic in S) but doesn't have that kind of responsiveness
e) nothing like a porsche, even at 200 hp less, for fun driving. For a sedan, this is a pretty good alternative
f) pleased with build quality and interior quality, even though not as nice as 600
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 05:43 PM
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Hi,

I agree with you totally on this, and at last, a 2007 AMG S owner who isnt completely head over heels !!

I can tell instantly you have owned/driven some nice ride's, as you comments are not complete praise of this car.

I will say now a S63/65 are nice car's, but not fantastic.

They are no Porsche - agreed.
Little bland, in terms of gear changes/responsivness
I drove the S65 for a month, wasnt impressed - but either way, you have a top class car !
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 05:50 PM
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c32AMGUK,

I can't imagine anyone buying any S-class expecting it to be a Porsche.

It is what it is...and I think it does what it was designed to be and what it is marketed to be, very well.

I drive real sports cars when I want a sports car experience.

I didn't buy it to be the "swiss army knife" of the automobile experience.

There is not one car built that covers every need of every buyer.

If anyone bought any S-class with the intent to road race it...you are an idiot.
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 06:06 PM
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Hi,

I agree partly with you, no car can meet everyone's expectations, it would be difficult.

But of course you would buy a S63/65 to road race, what are you supposed to do with all that power, my pals even raced there rolls royce phantom against my clk55 cab a year ago! (both sold now) but the phantom is a car to be driven at 50 tops, but we even raced that.

But of course all AMG's are to be raced, the S65 i raced it everyday, just the size and weight which let the handling down a little, plus the power wasnt a match for everything.

But you cannot defend an AMG when it comes to performance, i expect AMG's to be worthy of any car on the road. You wouldnt buy a AMG for anything else surely ?? Buy a maybach otherwise ?!?!

I am very critical with car's now, as i have owned 100's in my few short years, and i am talking high end/exotic.

I just feel some people get a little overwhelmed with new car's, like stepping out of ford into a merc (gt40 excused) its like wow, but if you step out of a rolls to a merc its like oh !!

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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 06:10 PM
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Also, as this is a MERC site, i only list the car's I drive which a merc's (i do have many other's).

Only Merc's now are 2002 C32 AMG (quite attatched to this one - now retired/garaged as it was my 1st AMg so will never sell it) and a new S320 CDI - Daily drive, good economy !
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 09:10 PM
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c32AMGUK,

I can't imagine anyone buying any S-class expecting it to be a Porsche.

It is what it is...and I think it does what it was designed to be and what it is marketed to be, very well.

I drive real sports cars when I want a sports car experience.

I didn't buy it to be the "swiss army knife" of the automobile experience.

There is not one car built that covers every need of every buyer.

If anyone bought any S-class with the intent to road race it...you are an idiot.
Largely agree...but would recognize a couple of notably "convergent" GT/sports/luxury/whatever cars...599 and CL63...

Know several guys who own both 599 and CL63; drive both for daily commuting and wkend twisties....and have zero interest in tracks...

599 is amazingly comfortable and daily-useable, but has dubious passive safety...yet this 4000lb luxury coupe generates NBR times that few supposedly track-oriented cars on planet today can rival/beat, even w/a one-dimensional focus on non-daily-useable performance....

CL63 (and likely S63) represent a brilliant real-world balance of performance and safety (and suspect NBR time of 4600lb CL63 will rival/beat that of 3200lb 997S)....if Ferrari ever develops AMG-like passive safety, CL63 would be largely irrelevant...and S63/65 would just be cool-looking limos for guys to use for commuting in NYC...or to haul kids around in suburbia....

On real-world public roads, abilities of any sporty car to deliver safety/steering precision/chassis balance/tq/comfort, etc etc are prob different from expectations/realities of a track-focused car....and many track-focused cars end up being less confidence-inspiring (vs 599/S or CL63) on a bumpy set of mtn twisties where one faces oncoming cars (and many other poss surprises)....than on a smooth, dry, relatively flat private track w/controlled access to fellow drivers.....
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 11:57 PM
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WSH,

I agree with you totally.

My opinion was specific to the S63/65.

As for C32AMGUK,

With all the great cars to take to the track (road race, not drag race) why would anyone choose a nearly 5000lbs. limo?

Easy...they wouldn't.

It is logical that those who have these cars (I speak from personal experience) can also afford a sports car or two.

I agree AMG cars should be sporty and powerful, and they are.

I just think it absurd to expect a limo, no matter the power, to effectively be compared to a Porsche...as you insinuate that it should yet fails and it is part of their shortcomings.

It is a good thing you are not in the marketing biz.

I don't hail the car to be the second coming of Christ, I just enjoy mine for now.
As you stated, this is a MB site. It would be nice if you would stop pissing on everyone who enjoys the cars they have purchased.

This is not the first thread you have hijacked. For someone who thinks that MB is crap, why do you purchase them?
Who the hell buys any S class for an economy car? Ridiculous.

You've owned hundreds of cars in the past couple of years?
You allude to ownership of a Rolls...but you need an economy car?

And your MB of choice is a C-class with 133K miles?

I saw how you were trying to stir up **** on that S65 thread and ran over the C class section to rally anyone who would come over and join in with your bull****, by telling all the C class owners that the S class owners think they are better than everyone else because they think they have money...are you even old enough to drive?

https://mbworld.org/forums/c32-amg-c55-amg-w203/202068-wow-have-you-c32-c55-guys-checked-out-s-class-amg-threads.html

No one bothered. No one cared.

You cracked on that S65 owner for bragging yet in nearly every thread you post on, you mention all the expensive, exotic cars you've already owned.

By all means, if you have something entertaining or intelligent to contribute, please do. If not, please go play on the LS1 boards where you belong.

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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 10:43 AM
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Just to be clear - I thought and meant my posting to be quite positive. I bought the S63 because I wanted to have some fun, but with three kids also needed something that can be pretty practical. To me, the fact that it is competitive power/handling with the M5 was about the highest praise I could pay to the car.

definitely not perfect. am considering swapping my 2000 911 C4 Cab for a new Turbo for those days when i don't need practicality. But for what i got it for and it is designed to do, I think the S63 is great
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 01:08 PM
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Guys:

Here's the real deal on the S63. On the WHOLE, it handles, accelerates, comforts and inspires as much or MORE than any other production sedan on the market today. Note: I said production sedan. To compare an ultra-high performance sedan to a purpose-built sports car is a waste of everyone's time; and I wish that people who have enough money to buy an S63 would demonstrate some of the intellectual horsepower that should go along with such a wonderful decision.

People who own Patek Philippe watches don't tell others that it can't keep the same time as a Seiko. Of course it can't--but a product is not about any one thing. It is about a TOTAL experience. I doubt that some guy in his Porsche Turbo on a 300 mile trip to Vegas doesn't wish he had a roomy, comfortable rocketship like an S63 to make the trip in as he starts feeling the pain somewhere around Barstow.

I wish you dont-know-it-alls would stop making gratuitous and somewhat ignorant statements about something that you obviously know little about. You're like the guy who goes to the best restaurant in town and finds 3 things wrong with it. Never happy. Always trying to impress others with your systemic lack of joy.

You are just a permanent cloud on the fun of life. And, you're better off buying a car that suits your inability to discern greatness. Please discover the Mustang GT site and rain on their parade for a while.
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 01:11 PM
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Guys:

Here's the real deal on the S63. On the WHOLE, it handles, accelerates, comforts and inspires as much or MORE than any other production sedan on the market today. Note: I said production sedan. To compare an ultra-high performance sedan to a purpose-built sports car is a waste of everyone's time; and I wish that people who have enough money to buy an S63 would demonstrate some of the intellectual horsepower that should go along with such a wonderful decision.

People who own Patek Philippe watches don't tell others that it can't keep the same time as a Seiko. Of course it can't--but a product is not about any one thing. It is about a TOTAL experience. I doubt that some guy in his Porsche Turbo on a 300 mile trip to Vegas doesn't wish he had a roomy, comfortable rocketship like an S63 to make the trip in as he starts feeling the pain somewhere around Barstow.

I wish you dont-know-it-alls would stop making gratuitous and somewhat ignorant statements about something that you obviously know little about. You're like the guy who goes to the best restaurant in town and finds 3 things wrong with it. Never happy. Always trying to impress others with your systemic lack of joy.

You are just a permanent cloud on the fun of life. And, you're better off buying a car that suits your inability to discern greatness. Please discover the Mustang GT site and rain on their parade for a while.
It's the "too cool for school" syndrome...
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 01:55 PM
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 07:24 AM
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Back on topic, I was interested to read the early impressions of the S63 from someone coming out of an M5. I have an M5 and have been thinking about an S63 for my next car. The S63 isn't released in Australia till next month, but today I tried an S500, more to feel its size than anything else. It soon shrinks around you but the S-class definitely feels bigger than the M5. Since the S500 is obviously more limo and less sporty than the S63 would be I wasn't surprised to find it a large barge to drive after the BMW.

My question is - how much sharper is the AMG to drive than the standard car? To be honest, I was happy to be back in the M5 after a couple of hours in the S500.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 10:20 AM
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Back on topic, I was interested to read the early impressions of the S63 from someone coming out of an M5. I have an M5 and have been thinking about an S63 for my next car. The S63 isn't released in Australia till next month, but today I tried an S500, more to feel its size than anything else. It soon shrinks around you but the S-class definitely feels bigger than the M5. Since the S500 is obviously more limo and less sporty than the S63 would be I wasn't surprised to find it a large barge to drive after the BMW.

My question is - how much sharper is the AMG to drive than the standard car? To be honest, I was happy to be back in the M5 after a couple of hours in the S500.
The E63 is more the proper comparison to an M5. The S63 compares with the M7. Oh, I forgot -- there is no M7

But the serious answer to your question depends on whether the S500 you drove had the sport package and, especially, ABC. The lower-profile tires of the sport package make a significant difference in handling. But ABC transforms the S-Class from one optimized for comfort to one optimized for handling. They are very different experiences. If you drove an ABC car, you would find the S63 improved, but familiar, in the handling department. If your S500 was not ABC, that driving experience would be irrelevant to the AMG, which has a recalibrated ABC suspension standard.
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turtle10250:

Congratulations on your S63!

Do not baby it during break in. Drive it like you stole it and it will reward you with best power.

Enjoy it!
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My choice in mercs is my C32 AMG 133k Miles (will never sell 1st AMG i owned)
2007 S320 CDI 8k Miles

Also I currently have:

2007 Porsche 911 Turbo Tip S - Sport Chrono+Overboost function+Carbon cermamic brakes 900Miles

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2007 Ferrari F430 Spider F1 Conv - In Grigio Silverstone/Daytona Seats 1235Miles

2007 Bentley Arnage T (500) 6800cc + Sports combination 19" spilt rims etc 2350Miles

If any 1 is interested, I will be visiting Silverstone, in nov this year, a sponsored track day, i will be taking my Pagoni there, on a flatbed. Come down and see me!! More info if any1 is interested.

I won the national lottery 3 years ago !! Seriously !! Its a UK lottery, so i am not a real estate agent or stockbroker, but hey, I am still worth a bit !!
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Congratulations on the win!

And very nice collection!
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Originally Posted by c32AMGUK
My choice in mercs is my C32 AMG 133k Miles (will never sell 1st AMG i owned)
2007 S320 CDI 8k Miles

Also I currently have:

2007 Porsche 911 Turbo Tip S - Sport Chrono+Overboost function+Carbon cermamic brakes 900Miles

2006 Pagoni Zonda C12 F 7300cc 650 BHP Clubsport White/Carbon 300 Miles

2007 Ferrari F430 Spider F1 Conv - In Grigio Silverstone/Daytona Seats 1235Miles

2007 Bentley Arnage T (500) 6800cc + Sports combination 19" spilt rims etc 2350Miles

If any 1 is interested, I will be visiting Silverstone, in nov this year, a sponsored track day, i will be taking my Pagoni there, on a flatbed. Come down and see me!! More info if any1 is interested.

I won the national lottery 3 years ago !! Seriously !! Its a UK lottery, so i am not a real estate agent or stockbroker, but hey, I am still worth a bit !!
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I'd love to see a pic of those cars together.
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Originally Posted by whoover
The E63 is more the proper comparison to an M5. The S63 compares with the M7. Oh, I forgot -- there is no M7

But the serious answer to your question depends on whether the S500 you drove had the sport package and, especially, ABC. The lower-profile tires of the sport package make a significant difference in handling. But ABC transforms the S-Class from one optimized for comfort to one optimized for handling. They are very different experiences. If you drove an ABC car, you would find the S63 improved, but familiar, in the handling department. If your S500 was not ABC, that driving experience would be irrelevant to the AMG, which has a recalibrated ABC suspension standard.
Thanks for this. There's no way the demo car had ABC. The handling was woeful. I'll wait till the S63 gets down here and try again.
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Old Aug 2, 2007 | 05:47 AM
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Hi,

No worries, will get a group picture posted over the next couple of weeks, just been raining here constant for 10 days now, as soon as it settle's I will get them pulled out and pictured!

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PS-Remember UK members, silverstone in Nov. Track day !!
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Originally Posted by whoover
The E63 is more the proper comparison to an M5. The S63 compares with the M7. Oh, I forgot -- there is no M7

But the serious answer to your question depends on whether the S500 you drove had the sport package and, especially, ABC. The lower-profile tires of the sport package make a significant difference in handling. But ABC transforms the S-Class from one optimized for comfort to one optimized for handling. They are very different experiences. If you drove an ABC car, you would find the S63 improved, but familiar, in the handling department. If your S500 was not ABC, that driving experience would be irrelevant to the AMG, which has a recalibrated ABC suspension standard.
I could pass on "night vision" and the "rear view monitor" next time around, but if available. ABC will be on every MB I own in the future. Between the "low profiles" and the newer version ActiveBodyControl, a 4500 lb vehicle handles like it's on rails. Also, I find the comfort level to be surprisingly nice, even on 20's - probably a factor of the adjustable ABC system.

Turtle - You've got a great car and you will love it ! Enjoy !
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