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Go ahead and get insulted about someone questioning something you said on the internet, you'll be making weepy youtube videos in five minutes. I'm just stating the facts as I've seen them over 3 years of owning this car, and the mathematical improbability that is your assertion.
There is simply nothing, nothing from power to weight to gearbox setup that gives a stock S600 the advantage over an M5. None. I've personally raced a W220 S600 and it did not stand a chance on a properly staged 60-120 race. You can go ahead and check out my own youtube videos where I run neck and neck with a Kleemann K2 SL55.
There is simply nothing, nothing from power to weight to gearbox setup that gives a stock S600 the advantage over an M5. None. I've personally raced a W220 S600 and it did not stand a chance on a properly staged 60-120 race. You can go ahead and check out my own youtube videos where I run neck and neck with a Kleemann K2 SL55.
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To paraphrase Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged," it is only when you deal with pure science that you seek the absolute truth (or mathematical probability, in this case). In applied settings, many other factors come into considerations, not least of which the human factor. Then, something other than mathematical probability is asked for. So, I don't see how your probabilities, or even your experiences, are enough to disprove the other guy's conclusions which seem based, to plenty of evidence, in his real world observations. Short of videos, how else can anyone in internet prove they are legit???
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Hard to believe that a M5 can beat a SL600. Hearing this from an M5 owner 
. I already have raced few and pooped on them. Did I also mention the same outcome goes for the M6. I didnt know u needed some skill to drive smg. Since you live in Jersey maybe I can show you some *** kicking in my stock 600 I love BMW FAN BOYZ
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Hard to believe that a M5 can beat a SL600. Hearing this from an M5 owner . I already have raced few and pooped on them. Did I also mention the same outcome goes for the M6. I didnt know u needed some skill to drive smg. Since you live in Jersey maybe I can show you some *** kicking in my stock 600 I love BMW FAN BOYZ
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I just love it when someone waxes philosophical when they haven't read the thread. So I'm going to make sure the importants stuff is in big letters for everybody. Akademiks realized a few posts ago that while he was talking about his experiences with his SL600 when we were talking about the S600 instead.
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This thread got me curious as to just what the heavy Stock S600 can do down the 1320' w/all that pesky TQ (w/Drag Rad's to properly harness that power) by board member here...
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-11391.html
1/4 Mile ET: 11.972
1/4 Mile MPH: 114.700
1/8 Mile ET: 7.709
1/8 Mile MPH: 91.080
0-60 Foot ET: 1.755
Temperature F: 50.0
Density Altitude (DA): DA Calculator
Timeslip Scan:
Car Make: Mercedes-Benz
Car Model: S600
Car Type: Designo
Car Year: 2003
Driver: Stephen F. Selden
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-11391.html
1/4 Mile ET: 11.972
1/4 Mile MPH: 114.700
1/8 Mile ET: 7.709
1/8 Mile MPH: 91.080
0-60 Foot ET: 1.755
Temperature F: 50.0
Density Altitude (DA): DA Calculator
Timeslip Scan:
Car Make: Mercedes-Benz
Car Model: S600
Car Type: Designo
Car Year: 2003
Driver: Stephen F. Selden
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This thread got me curious as to just what the heavy Stock S600 can do down the 1320' w/all that pesky TQ (w/Drag Rad's to properly harness that power) by board member here...
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-11391.html
1/4 Mile ET: 11.972
1/4 Mile MPH: 114.700
1/8 Mile ET: 7.709
1/8 Mile MPH: 91.080
0-60 Foot ET: 1.755
Temperature F: 50.0
Density Altitude (DA): DA Calculator
Timeslip Scan:
Car Make: Mercedes-Benz
Car Model: S600
Car Type: Designo
Car Year: 2003
Driver: Stephen F. Selden
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-11391.html
1/4 Mile ET: 11.972
1/4 Mile MPH: 114.700
1/8 Mile ET: 7.709
1/8 Mile MPH: 91.080
0-60 Foot ET: 1.755
Temperature F: 50.0
Density Altitude (DA): DA Calculator
Timeslip Scan:
Car Make: Mercedes-Benz
Car Model: S600
Car Type: Designo
Car Year: 2003
Driver: Stephen F. Selden
Here are two runs on dragtimes for some stock M5's:
1/4 Mile ET: 12.301
1/4 Mile MPH: 115.810
1/8 Mile ET: 8.022
1/8 Mile MPH: 90.740
0-60 Foot ET: 1.860
Temperature F: 0.0
Car Make: BMW
Car Model: M5
Car Year: 2006
Driver: Mr. Vroom
1/4 Mile ET: 12.992
1/4 Mile MPH: 116.360
1/8 Mile ET: 8.716
1/8 Mile MPH: 90.740
0-60 Foot ET: 2.460
Temperature F: 65.0
Car Make: BMW
Car Model: M5
Car Year: 2006
Driver: Erol Buyuk
You will notice that both M5's pick up 25+mph over the same distance. Granted, most races don't start at 90mph and end 115mph, this is just an academic exercise to demonstrate the M5's ability to move above 100mph. The S600 is no slouch...but it is hard for it in stock form to overcome the gearing and weight disadvantages on a freeway run. From a dig, my money is on the S600 (especially with drag radials).
Tom
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I think it would be more valuable to look at the 1/8 mile trap vs the 1/4 mile trap as a proxy for a highway run. Steve's S600 picks up 23.7mph over that distance.
Here are two runs on dragtimes for some stock M5's:
1/4 Mile ET: 12.301
1/4 Mile MPH: 115.810
1/8 Mile ET: 8.022
1/8 Mile MPH: 90.740
0-60 Foot ET: 1.860
Temperature F: 0.0
Car Make: BMW
Car Model: M5
Car Year: 2006
Driver: Mr. Vroom
1/4 Mile ET: 12.992
1/4 Mile MPH: 116.360
1/8 Mile ET: 8.716
1/8 Mile MPH: 90.740
0-60 Foot ET: 2.460
Temperature F: 65.0
Car Make: BMW
Car Model: M5
Car Year: 2006
Driver: Erol Buyuk
You will notice that both M5's pick up 25+mph over the same distance. Granted, most races don't start at 90mph and end 115mph, this is just an academic exercise to demonstrate the M5's ability to move above 100mph. The S600 is no slouch...but it is hard for it in stock form to overcome the gearing and weight disadvantages on a freeway run. From a dig, my money is on the S600 (especially with drag radials).
Tom
Here are two runs on dragtimes for some stock M5's:
1/4 Mile ET: 12.301
1/4 Mile MPH: 115.810
1/8 Mile ET: 8.022
1/8 Mile MPH: 90.740
0-60 Foot ET: 1.860
Temperature F: 0.0
Car Make: BMW
Car Model: M5
Car Year: 2006
Driver: Mr. Vroom
1/4 Mile ET: 12.992
1/4 Mile MPH: 116.360
1/8 Mile ET: 8.716
1/8 Mile MPH: 90.740
0-60 Foot ET: 2.460
Temperature F: 65.0
Car Make: BMW
Car Model: M5
Car Year: 2006
Driver: Erol Buyuk
You will notice that both M5's pick up 25+mph over the same distance. Granted, most races don't start at 90mph and end 115mph, this is just an academic exercise to demonstrate the M5's ability to move above 100mph. The S600 is no slouch...but it is hard for it in stock form to overcome the gearing and weight disadvantages on a freeway run. From a dig, my money is on the S600 (especially with drag radials).
Tom
Edit: Seems I misspoke, after researching Dragtimes the M5 isn't Trapping 117+ in stock form, the lighter M6 is...
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M6-Timeslip-16499.html
1/4 Mile ET: 12.323
1/4 Mile MPH: 117.190
1/8 Mile ET: 8.134
1/8 Mile MPH: 92.940
0-60 Foot ET: 2.068
Temperature F: 52.0
Density Altitude (DA): -332 feet
Timeslip Scan:
Car Make: BMW
Car Model: M6
Car Type:
Car Year: 2008
Driver: Ned Cejaj
M5 is averaging 115+ in completely stock form...
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Driving and understanding the conventional 6-speed, gives the driver a better concept of how to operate the SMGIII. Trust me its not all gas ad go. It does require a bit of skill. Not all E60 M5 owners do not know how to properly operate their cars...
Driving and understanding the conventional 6-speed, gives the driver a better concept of how to operate the SMGIII. Trust me its not all gas ad go. It does require a bit of skill. Not all E60 M5 owners do not know how to properly operate their cars...
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Driving stick is not as amazing a feat as everyone makes it. It's just a simple technique for racing (keep gas pedal floored, quickly hit the clutch and grab next gear, depress clutch) and once you learn it, it's a piece of cake. SMG also uses a bit of technique because you have to know how the car reacts. To make the M5 the highway killer it's reknown for, every shift has to be at 8250RPM's. You must click it at precisely the right moment. Too soon and you lose the race. Too late and the fuel shuts off and you lose as well. It just takes practice and not much more than that.
The M5 pulls hard past 100mph. But if the driver isn't experienced and gets a little nervous, as I have seen time and time again in a race, the S600 can easily have the upper hand.
The M5 pulls hard past 100mph. But if the driver isn't experienced and gets a little nervous, as I have seen time and time again in a race, the S600 can easily have the upper hand.
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And it's been discussed ad-nauseum here that your own observations are unique for any number of reasons, mostly because nobody here believes your car is stock. Second of all, the math just isn't there. At highway speeds torque has long been left behind, it's about horsepower/weight/gearing. The M5 has the advantage in all 3 categories, most strikingly in the close-ratio gearbox.
I take no responsibility for M5 drivers who can't drive their cars, but I can tell you that I've beaten stock 600's, 63's and 55's.
I take no responsibility for M5 drivers who can't drive their cars, but I can tell you that I've beaten stock 600's, 63's and 55's.
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On a highway run it's a different story. I can't see a bone stock C63 beating an M5 on a highway pull.
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It probly wont beat it stock vs stock. But it will stay neck to neck
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This is what it did to a stock M5(famous for highway speeds)with just a TUNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4718vN0kL3M
It probly wont beat it stock vs stock. But it will stay neck to neck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4718vN0kL3M
It probly wont beat it stock vs stock. But it will stay neck to neck
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if it matters...because you will always have people that doubt and love talking numbers instead of real world....i've raced in my stock s600...
1. c63...not even close
2. E55...first gear roll from 25 up to 75...had him by three
3. E55...(a different one) first gear roll up to 80...had him by 2-3 cars. we did it from a stoplight and had him by 2 cars at 60.
4. M5...from 50...he was 1/2 car ahead at the start and by the time we hit 100 i was one car in front.
never under estimate torque...even from a roll.
just my personal experiences...go ahead and start flaming.
when my e55 ran 11.85 stock all the haters came out then enzom runs .70's a year later and then everybody decided it was real...true bench racing at work!!!
john
1. c63...not even close
2. E55...first gear roll from 25 up to 75...had him by three
3. E55...(a different one) first gear roll up to 80...had him by 2-3 cars. we did it from a stoplight and had him by 2 cars at 60.
4. M5...from 50...he was 1/2 car ahead at the start and by the time we hit 100 i was one car in front.
never under estimate torque...even from a roll.
just my personal experiences...go ahead and start flaming.
when my e55 ran 11.85 stock all the haters came out then enzom runs .70's a year later and then everybody decided it was real...true bench racing at work!!!
john
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if it matters...because you will always have people that doubt and love talking numbers instead of real world....i've raced in my stock s600...
1. c63...not even close
2. E55...first gear roll from 25 up to 75...had him by three
3. E55...(a different one) first gear roll up to 80...had him by 2-3 cars. we did it from a stoplight and had him by 2 cars at 60.
4. M5...from 50...he was 1/2 car ahead at the start and by the time we hit 100 i was one car in front.
never under estimate torque...even from a roll.
just my personal experiences...go ahead and start flaming.
when my e55 ran 11.85 stock all the haters came out then enzom runs .70's a year later and then everybody decided it was real...true bench racing at work!!!
john
1. c63...not even close
2. E55...first gear roll from 25 up to 75...had him by three
3. E55...(a different one) first gear roll up to 80...had him by 2-3 cars. we did it from a stoplight and had him by 2 cars at 60.
4. M5...from 50...he was 1/2 car ahead at the start and by the time we hit 100 i was one car in front.
never under estimate torque...even from a roll.
just my personal experiences...go ahead and start flaming.
when my e55 ran 11.85 stock all the haters came out then enzom runs .70's a year later and then everybody decided it was real...true bench racing at work!!!
john
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if it matters...because you will always have people that doubt and love talking numbers instead of real world....i've raced in my stock s600...
1. c63...not even close
2. E55...first gear roll from 25 up to 75...had him by three
3. E55...(a different one) first gear roll up to 80...had him by 2-3 cars. we did it from a stoplight and had him by 2 cars at 60.
4. M5...from 50...he was 1/2 car ahead at the start and by the time we hit 100 i was one car in front.
never under estimate torque...even from a roll.
just my personal experiences...go ahead and start flaming.
when my e55 ran 11.85 stock all the haters came out then enzom runs .70's a year later and then everybody decided it was real...true bench racing at work!!!
john
1. c63...not even close
2. E55...first gear roll from 25 up to 75...had him by three
3. E55...(a different one) first gear roll up to 80...had him by 2-3 cars. we did it from a stoplight and had him by 2 cars at 60.
4. M5...from 50...he was 1/2 car ahead at the start and by the time we hit 100 i was one car in front.
never under estimate torque...even from a roll.
just my personal experiences...go ahead and start flaming.
when my e55 ran 11.85 stock all the haters came out then enzom runs .70's a year later and then everybody decided it was real...true bench racing at work!!!
john
There are people over on the M5board who claim to have taken down 65's in stock or near stock M5's. Yes, that could happen, but there are mitigating circumstances...just as there are mitigating circumstances to why an M5 could get passed above 100mph by an S600. If pointing this out makes me or others a "bench racer" than so be it.
Tom
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I just love it when someone waxes philosophical when they haven't read the thread. So I'm going to make sure the importants stuff is in big letters for everybody. Akademiks realized a few posts ago that while he was talking about his experiences with his SL600 when we were talking about the S600 instead.
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I think everyone realizes anything can happen out on the streets. By your own experience you beat an E55 with your S600. Yet looking at your signature, your E55 (11.85 @ 118 mph) would have walloped your S600 (12.2 @ 113mph) in a straight up match from a dig or even a roll.
Tom
Tom
if anybody in houston wants to meet up let me know...work on the north side...woodlads and live on the south side friendswood.
and my car is stock with 90k miles.
take care,
john
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if it matters...because you will always have people that doubt and love talking numbers instead of real world....i've raced in my stock s600...
1. c63...not even close
2. E55...first gear roll from 25 up to 75...had him by three
3. E55...(a different one) first gear roll up to 80...had him by 2-3 cars. we did it from a stoplight and had him by 2 cars at 60.
4. M5...from 50...he was 1/2 car ahead at the start and by the time we hit 100 i was one car in front.
never under estimate torque...even from a roll.
just my personal experiences...go ahead and start flaming.
when my e55 ran 11.85 stock all the haters came out then enzom runs .70's a year later and then everybody decided it was real...true bench racing at work!!!
john
1. c63...not even close
2. E55...first gear roll from 25 up to 75...had him by three
3. E55...(a different one) first gear roll up to 80...had him by 2-3 cars. we did it from a stoplight and had him by 2 cars at 60.
4. M5...from 50...he was 1/2 car ahead at the start and by the time we hit 100 i was one car in front.
never under estimate torque...even from a roll.
just my personal experiences...go ahead and start flaming.
when my e55 ran 11.85 stock all the haters came out then enzom runs .70's a year later and then everybody decided it was real...true bench racing at work!!!
john
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should be an easy kill for ya!
