Well the Dyno numbers are in
07-01-2010, 12:38 AM
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I have owned 4 Tuned 65's and that 65 is NOT TUNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TRUST ME...when Vic gets it tuned he will post new numbers...that car is not tuned...I drove it for a couple of weeks...NO tune on that car...
The previous owner before Vic. was a 57 year old Surgeon and had 9 cars...SO no way he did a single thing to that car....... and he actually traded the car in for a ZR1...
Victor is a great guy....and was working around these cars when they were new...he like most of us couldnt afford a $200k car...now he owns one...as we do as well and appreciate them as PLATINUM...
The previous owner before Vic. was a 57 year old Surgeon and had 9 cars...SO no way he did a single thing to that car....... and he actually traded the car in for a ZR1...
Victor is a great guy....and was working around these cars when they were new...he like most of us couldnt afford a $200k car...now he owns one...as we do as well and appreciate them as PLATINUM...
Thanks Mark! I should have figured a MB nut like you would have been on this forum! LOL. But it always seems like your around when I need you! And Im serious about if you ever come out to Cali look me up! I know of a few good steak places around here and its on me! Thanks again for an awesome car! I love driving it (when the wife lets me) and all I do is
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I will be coming out to CALI..trust me...
Yeah I am a real card on here......I almost got lit on fire in C63 section and Classified section....a few weeks back....those little pesky rental cars are not worth $50k used....or even $30k used.......
Dont know when I will be out to Cali...but soon enough..and I will take you up on that offer...
I have never been to CALI ...but hey can we stop by the Playboy Mansion and check things out?
Certainly want to hit up the Viper room....
Dont know when I will be out to Cali...but soon enough..and I will take you up on that offer...
I have never been to CALI ...but hey can we stop by the Playboy Mansion and check things out?
Certainly want to hit up the Viper room....
07-01-2010, 12:54 AM
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THOSE WHO DRIVE 65'S are the elite auto enthusiasts...the smart car guys ...I call them....simply for knowing they posses a car with more power then any production car in the world.....also very few yuppies know about them......and if they did...no 65 would be for sale.......Let those yuppies keep drivng their C63's and E55's and M45's AND M5's and SRT8's...when they could of had a REAL man's car for the same loot....I actually think the ones who go out and buy a C63 or G37 for $50k or a E63 are suckers....
see I can say that here...I will get my *** handed to me on the other side.....but it is TRUE what I say....
My best times are when I hang out with friends with my 65 and some yuppie dude says hey I just bought a M3...a great car ...I paid $55k...I got a deal....I say really? You could of bought a CL65...they say what is that? I say that car u see right there...oh a Mercedes? Yes sir....the most powerful car ever built....NO WAY!! They will say...I said yeah google it and then ask yourself why you dropped $55k on a car that competes with a G37s........when u could of had a $200k supercar for less then what you just paid......priceless....
65'S are the baddest cars on the planet....PERIOD....
You will get tired of a GTR ...I own one...You will get tired of a Porsche
you will get tired of driving a LAMBO or FERRARI...BMW's are for EX-Infinit owners....
You will never get tired of owning a 600HP Mercedes....I know..I own 3 right now....and just sold my GTR to my brother....
07-01-2010, 01:23 AM
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The TRAP speed is not the "SOLID" proof of how much "TRUE" power the car is making. Things like vehicle weight, driver weight, elevation, track temp, ect, etc all come into play there "expert". And just because I have 1-5 posts does not make me an expert nor a novice. I've been working on Mercedes vehicles for a while as a Master Tech (both ASE and Mercedes) I wouldnt consider myself novice. Also, no where in my post do you see me call myself an "expert" in anything. So I would appreciate you stop putting words in my mouth and reading only what I posted.
As for the Wide Band O2 Sensor, I again am no expert in it, but I know how they work and I also know that we have Dynoed other vehicles (Mustangs, Corvettes, etc) and on SOME of them with stock CATS the A/F reads 14.7:1. The so Wide Band is useless for tuning in that case.
Also I said I made 568 RWHP not 586 (huge difference) and if I knew this post was going to be corrected grammatically I would have double checked my spelling for all you "professors" out there looking to criticize everything.
SO really, whats with all the "disbelief" and hostility? I dynoed my car, posted a graph, told you it was stock (as far as I know) and everyone starts attacking the results. Like Im lying or something. I told you how it was done and didnt lie about anything. And instead of getting something like "Man, those are some good numbers but a little high for stock. You might wanna keep an eye on those A/F ratio numbers cause they are kinda high" I get "I say the Dyno is off" or "that has to be a modded ECM". I bought the car used and all I did was put pump gas and dyno it. Replace the stock filters, cool the engine and ice the I/C's. Here is my results.
Also, I never said I didnt know what type of dyno we where using. I figured that the Dyno sheet would have been enough to show it was a DYNOJET but I see someone is struggling in the reading compression part. Its okay, thats what we are here for.
Actually let me re-phrase that since I re-read EVERYONES posts. Only a couple of you are being "negative". The rest of you I appreciate your replies and advice! Thanks guys! For those negative ones, if this is going to turn into a pisses contest Im not going to go there.
But for the others suggesting what may have been done to the car already thanks in advance!
I see a few of you are concerned about the A/F ratio being high. Thanks and next time I will try to get a better/accurate reading of the A/F. If its still high then I will stay off the gas until I get the ECM re-tuned. Once we buy some tires and wheels I will make a few passes at the track and see what it does.
Corsa9000, Tom, V12GodSpeed, sound 8, JackPro1 and the few other positive people, thank you for your posts. You are true gentlemen. As for the rest, I do not want to judge anyone right off the bat. I may have read things out of context so I would rather not judge and observe for now. But please dont think I dont take advice or criticism well. Thanks again for your time!
As for the Wide Band O2 Sensor, I again am no expert in it, but I know how they work and I also know that we have Dynoed other vehicles (Mustangs, Corvettes, etc) and on SOME of them with stock CATS the A/F reads 14.7:1. The so Wide Band is useless for tuning in that case.
Also I said I made 568 RWHP not 586 (huge difference) and if I knew this post was going to be corrected grammatically I would have double checked my spelling for all you "professors" out there looking to criticize everything.
SO really, whats with all the "disbelief" and hostility? I dynoed my car, posted a graph, told you it was stock (as far as I know) and everyone starts attacking the results. Like Im lying or something. I told you how it was done and didnt lie about anything. And instead of getting something like "Man, those are some good numbers but a little high for stock. You might wanna keep an eye on those A/F ratio numbers cause they are kinda high" I get "I say the Dyno is off" or "that has to be a modded ECM". I bought the car used and all I did was put pump gas and dyno it. Replace the stock filters, cool the engine and ice the I/C's. Here is my results.
Also, I never said I didnt know what type of dyno we where using. I figured that the Dyno sheet would have been enough to show it was a DYNOJET but I see someone is struggling in the reading compression part. Its okay, thats what we are here for.
Actually let me re-phrase that since I re-read EVERYONES posts. Only a couple of you are being "negative". The rest of you I appreciate your replies and advice! Thanks guys! For those negative ones, if this is going to turn into a pisses contest Im not going to go there.
But for the others suggesting what may have been done to the car already thanks in advance! I see a few of you are concerned about the A/F ratio being high. Thanks and next time I will try to get a better/accurate reading of the A/F. If its still high then I will stay off the gas until I get the ECM re-tuned. Once we buy some tires and wheels I will make a few passes at the track and see what it does.
Corsa9000, Tom, V12GodSpeed, sound 8, JackPro1 and the few other positive people, thank you for your posts. You are true gentlemen. As for the rest, I do not want to judge anyone right off the bat. I may have read things out of context so I would rather not judge and observe for now. But please dont think I dont take advice or criticism well. Thanks again for your time!
Go re-read my posts slowly, I never said you claimed 586 rwhp?? You must have selective Dyslexia? I said & quoted you had seen 568 rwhp.
(In your 1st post you mention NOTHING about Icing down the Intercoolers or running in 3rd gear, UNTIL I said you must've done so etc..All you mention is adding a set of K&N filters that ONLY added 4HP & 11TQ, forget bout the Icing Intercoolers worth EZ 25-30 RWHP & running in wrong 3rd gear that further skews dyno readings higher etc...)
Well the Dyno numbers are in
Well I finally got a chance to dyno the stock 06 S65 we bought about 2 weeks ago and I must say it did not disappoint. 568.69 RWHP and 624.62 RWTQ. This is all through a set of K&N filters which only added 4 RWHP and about 11 RWTQ to the final numbers. There were a few people in the shop that seemed impressed. But the car feels strong and rides smooth..... let the modding begin!
Well I finally got a chance to dyno the stock 06 S65 we bought about 2 weeks ago and I must say it did not disappoint. 568.69 RWHP and 624.62 RWTQ. This is all through a set of K&N filters which only added 4 RWHP and about 11 RWTQ to the final numbers. There were a few people in the shop that seemed impressed. But the car feels strong and rides smooth..... let the modding begin!
I kept it VERY civil & tried alerting/warning/helping you about your incredibly LEAN AFR's Now you state every car runs 14.+ AFR's on said Dyno & that you're actually an MB tech for many years???????
Yet earlier blamed dangerously LEAN 14.0+ AFR's on very hot Cat's??????? I never Q'd what type of Dyno you ran on either, I quoted/blew up the pic of your Dyno that clearly states DynoJet etc...
Whatever bro enjoy your ride, & thinking you know everything
Ignorance truly is bliss...
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07-01-2010, 09:14 AM
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Stop being self-centered. I posted once to answer all the questions/comments made since my last post by everyone, not just you. Someone else posted that I made 586 which I corrected (not you) and I repeatedly keep saying in no expert in anything.
Some one else posted that I have no clue what Dyno I was running in (not you) so thats where that was aimed at.
And the best way to measure engine HP is with an engine dyno (thats why they where invented) not by 1/4 performance/trap speed. The 1/4 mile is to measure vehicle performance and you can get a real good ESTIMATE of how much HP a car is making by using formulas that calculate weight, temp, elevation, etc to figure out how much the engine SHOULD be making. I know plenty of people who bracket race professionally and a car might run 8.9XX in the 1/4 with a trap speed of 140mph and someone else might run a 8.9XX with a trap speed of 160MPH. Its how the car, clutch, power band, etc is setup that determines the trap speed/et.
And according to your theory, my buddy's GN who runs a 7.3X in the 1/8 at 93MPH should have the same HP as my GN that runs a 7.39 in the 1/8 at 93MPH but on the dyno he puts down 509RWHP and my GN only did about 407RWHP. Hummm.
Is it possible that the drive train, driver, track conditions, etc can cause different trap speeds on the track (same day) or maybe he has a problem with his tq converter slipping, rear end, etc. But his engine is making a lot more HP than mine. And he should since he is running aftermarket cam, heads, different turbo, etc etc. 
But I have a feeling even if or when I got to the track and put some good numbers on the 1/8 you will be like "Well that doesnt mean anything, blah, blah, blah." so what difference does it make? SO I have to disagree with you on that one, TRAP speeds are not the BEST way to find out an engine's HP. An engine dyno is the best way.
Also, every car I ever dynoed and every shop I ever went to they always dyno in 3rd gear or 4th gear. IF you are trying to dyno in 4th or 5th gear to get the tq to lock up, then it will unlock as soon as you accelerate. I doubt you will see 100 more HP cause you dyno in 3rd gear but I could be wrong.
Some one else posted that I have no clue what Dyno I was running in (not you) so thats where that was aimed at.
And the best way to measure engine HP is with an engine dyno (thats why they where invented) not by 1/4 performance/trap speed. The 1/4 mile is to measure vehicle performance and you can get a real good ESTIMATE of how much HP a car is making by using formulas that calculate weight, temp, elevation, etc to figure out how much the engine SHOULD be making. I know plenty of people who bracket race professionally and a car might run 8.9XX in the 1/4 with a trap speed of 140mph and someone else might run a 8.9XX with a trap speed of 160MPH. Its how the car, clutch, power band, etc is setup that determines the trap speed/et.
And according to your theory, my buddy's GN who runs a 7.3X in the 1/8 at 93MPH should have the same HP as my GN that runs a 7.39 in the 1/8 at 93MPH but on the dyno he puts down 509RWHP and my GN only did about 407RWHP. Hummm.
Is it possible that the drive train, driver, track conditions, etc can cause different trap speeds on the track (same day) or maybe he has a problem with his tq converter slipping, rear end, etc. But his engine is making a lot more HP than mine. And he should since he is running aftermarket cam, heads, different turbo, etc etc. But I have a feeling even if or when I got to the track and put some good numbers on the 1/8 you will be like "Well that doesnt mean anything, blah, blah, blah." so what difference does it make? SO I have to disagree with you on that one, TRAP speeds are not the BEST way to find out an engine's HP. An engine dyno is the best way.
Also, every car I ever dynoed and every shop I ever went to they always dyno in 3rd gear or 4th gear. IF you are trying to dyno in 4th or 5th gear to get the tq to lock up, then it will unlock as soon as you accelerate. I doubt you will see 100 more HP cause you dyno in 3rd gear but I could be wrong.
07-01-2010, 10:12 AM
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I believe the car is stock. All you need to look at are the peak torque figures. If the ECU was tuned torque readings would be high 600's to mid 700's. I am actually kind of surprised that a Dynojet operator was able to get a torque reading. The 65s are not the most user-friendly to get a torque reading.
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07-01-2010, 03:51 PM
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Geeez another great addition to MBW....
Stop being self-centered. I posted once to answer all the questions/comments made since my last post by everyone, not just you. Someone else posted that I made 586 which I corrected (not you) and I repeatedly keep saying in no expert in anything.
Some one else posted that I have no clue what Dyno I was running in (not you) so thats where that was aimed at.
And the best way to measure engine HP is with an engine dyno (thats why they where invented) not by 1/4 performance/trap speed. The 1/4 mile is to measure vehicle performance and you can get a real good ESTIMATE of how much HP a car is making by using formulas that calculate weight, temp, elevation, etc to figure out how much the engine SHOULD be making. I know plenty of people who bracket race professionally and a car might run 8.9XX in the 1/4 with a trap speed of 140mph and someone else might run a 8.9XX with a trap speed of 160MPH. Its how the car, clutch, power band, etc is setup that determines the trap speed/et.
And according to your theory, my buddy's GN who runs a 7.3X in the 1/8 at 93MPH should have the same HP as my GN that runs a 7.39 in the 1/8 at 93MPH but on the dyno he puts down 509RWHP and my GN only did about 407RWHP. Hummm.Is it possible that the drive train, driver, track conditions, etc can cause different trap speeds on the track (same day) or maybe he has a problem with his tq converter slipping, rear end, etc. But his engine is making a lot more HP than mine. And he should since he is running aftermarket cam, heads, different turbo, etc etc.
But I have a feeling even if or when I got to the track and put some good numbers on the 1/8 you will be like "Well that doesnt mean anything, blah, blah, blah." so what difference does it make? SO I have to disagree with you on that one, TRAP speeds are not the BEST way to find out an engine's HP. An engine dyno is the best way.
Also, every car I ever dynoed and every shop I ever went to they always dyno in 3rd gear or 4th gear. IF you are trying to dyno in 4th or 5th gear to get the tq to lock up, then it will unlock as soon as you accelerate. I doubt you will see 100 more HP cause you dyno in 3rd gear but I could be wrong.
Some one else posted that I have no clue what Dyno I was running in (not you) so thats where that was aimed at.
And the best way to measure engine HP is with an engine dyno (thats why they where invented) not by 1/4 performance/trap speed. The 1/4 mile is to measure vehicle performance and you can get a real good ESTIMATE of how much HP a car is making by using formulas that calculate weight, temp, elevation, etc to figure out how much the engine SHOULD be making. I know plenty of people who bracket race professionally and a car might run 8.9XX in the 1/4 with a trap speed of 140mph and someone else might run a 8.9XX with a trap speed of 160MPH. Its how the car, clutch, power band, etc is setup that determines the trap speed/et.
And according to your theory, my buddy's GN who runs a 7.3X in the 1/8 at 93MPH should have the same HP as my GN that runs a 7.39 in the 1/8 at 93MPH but on the dyno he puts down 509RWHP and my GN only did about 407RWHP. Hummm.
Is it possible that the drive train, driver, track conditions, etc can cause different trap speeds on the track (same day) or maybe he has a problem with his tq converter slipping, rear end, etc. But his engine is making a lot more HP than mine. And he should since he is running aftermarket cam, heads, different turbo, etc etc. But I have a feeling even if or when I got to the track and put some good numbers on the 1/8 you will be like "Well that doesnt mean anything, blah, blah, blah." so what difference does it make? SO I have to disagree with you on that one, TRAP speeds are not the BEST way to find out an engine's HP. An engine dyno is the best way.
Also, every car I ever dynoed and every shop I ever went to they always dyno in 3rd gear or 4th gear. IF you are trying to dyno in 4th or 5th gear to get the tq to lock up, then it will unlock as soon as you accelerate. I doubt you will see 100 more HP cause you dyno in 3rd gear but I could be wrong.
Enjoy the car...
07-01-2010, 04:35 PM
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Lets all get along PLEASE :()
I took some time out to chime in here from Farmville and Pornhub.....so I see all of us spoiled kiddies are still huddling on the field with this topic......
Vic has no reason to lie ......at all
So I am back off to my Pumpkin patch and to watch some more Goth lesbian groupies....
in the mean time please be nice peeps
Vic has no reason to lie ......at all
So I am back off to my Pumpkin patch and to watch some more Goth lesbian groupies....
in the mean time please be nice peeps
07-01-2010, 06:21 PM
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My bad! I wasn't trying to come off like I knew everything(cause I dont) I'm a neebie to modding these cars but I have some experience in other areas. I'm sure I could learn a lot from you and the other great folks here! Thanks for all your advice to everyone who posted. Have a safe and great 4th of July weekend everyone! I love four day weekends!
07-03-2010, 11:20 AM
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This thread is pathetic......why even post dyno numbers? What a joke.
Reminds me of when I posted my stock numbers/ET's and then my tuned numbers by LET.....hence the reason I rarely post on here.
Enjoy your car chief- we're fortunate enough to own the finest, most powerful luxury car in the world....IMO.
I agree with "retardedmunks" post
-Jason-
Reminds me of when I posted my stock numbers/ET's and then my tuned numbers by LET.....hence the reason I rarely post on here.
Enjoy your car chief- we're fortunate enough to own the finest, most powerful luxury car in the world....IMO.
I agree with "retardedmunks" post
-Jason-
07-03-2010, 05:41 PM
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This thread is pathetic......why even post dyno numbers? What a joke.
Reminds me of when I posted my stock numbers/ET's and then my tuned numbers by LET.....hence the reason I rarely post on here.
Enjoy your car chief- we're fortunate enough to own the finest, most powerful luxury car in the world....IMO.
I agree with "retardedmunks" post
-Jason-
Reminds me of when I posted my stock numbers/ET's and then my tuned numbers by LET.....hence the reason I rarely post on here.
Enjoy your car chief- we're fortunate enough to own the finest, most powerful luxury car in the world....IMO.
I agree with "retardedmunks" post
-Jason-
07-03-2010, 09:47 PM
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Also, every car I ever dynoed and every shop I ever went to they always dyno in 3rd gear or 4th gear. IF you are trying to dyno in 4th or 5th gear to get the tq to lock up, then it will unlock as soon as you accelerate. I doubt you will see 100 more HP cause you dyno in 3rd gear but I could be wrong.
Someone posted my dyno graph earlier in this thread, with my stock CL65 curve, tuned curve, and SL65 Black Series curves all on the same page. See that my bone stock CL made 504/634, which is about where most of these cars are stock. My previous CL65 made 550/660 on a dynojet, but the weather station was faulty, which can affect the correct factors.....
Dynos obviously read differently. but more importantly, look at the shape of my curves. That should be the same regardless of peak #'s. Yours is off because of the kickdown into 3rd, or maybe second?
Awesome car, and enjoy that beast and the GN! Great pair. I often used to refer to my old black CL65 as the German GNX....lol
