Renntech ECU Results - 07 S65
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sorry about the quality.. ran it again at Renntech today.. here is a copy of the results.
581rwhp
732rwtq
sorry about the quality.. ran it again at Renntech today.. here is a copy of the results.
581rwhp
732rwtq
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Wish the 63s made that kind of power!
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I would enjoy a ride in your toy, or a line up
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I do not believe I would win mind you, but I would still enjoy the moment.
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But for a lousy drag race, sorry I am a road racer at heart, my hypocrisy will not allow me to drive that far.
I will be going to Pittsburgh Raceway, formely Keystone raceway, this fall to get some slips. It is about 1 hour do East of Pittsburgh, a bit far for you, but drop me a PM if you are interested.
Have fun.
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08 S65, 06 M3 CS(stick), 02 BMW X5 4.6iS, 07 R1 Raven, 08 F-450 4x4, 08 CooperS JCW
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Can I see pics of the RS6....what mods are done to it and have you had it dyno'd? twin turb 4.2 is
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aside from the rear view the car still looks really fresh for an 03 so i can see why you'd keep it bro
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Oh man i've modded the heck out of the RS6..
-APR ECU/TCU
-Hotckis front and rear swaybars
-DRC failed - Replaced with KW V3's
-Full USP catless downpipes
-Rebuilt catless turbo back exhaust
-AWE mufflers
-Black Milltek tips
-APR R1 Diverter valves
-VMR RS4 Titanium wheels
-USP intake
-RNS-E Nav
Because of the all wheel drive it is a blast to drive.. it just grips and throws you forward. Dynos at 490whp. The S65 would smoke it once it gets hooked but still fun. The tranny is a disaster though - blew 3 t/c's already.
-APR ECU/TCU
-Hotckis front and rear swaybars
-DRC failed - Replaced with KW V3's
-Full USP catless downpipes
-Rebuilt catless turbo back exhaust
-AWE mufflers
-Black Milltek tips
-APR R1 Diverter valves
-VMR RS4 Titanium wheels
-USP intake
-RNS-E Nav
Because of the all wheel drive it is a blast to drive.. it just grips and throws you forward. Dynos at 490whp. The S65 would smoke it once it gets hooked but still fun. The tranny is a disaster though - blew 3 t/c's already.
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Hey special ed, do you really think I fell off the turnip truck like someone I know around here did![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
First of all, ANYTHING I post is first hand knowledge, unlike some VERY special people around here. Not mentioning names of course, SEAN.![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Secondly I have been around engines since before you knew what gasoline was, and this I am willing to make a wager on that my friend.
And finally, I could give a rats a__ what you believe, or sometimes want to believe. I was there. I can read a dyno chart. I can program the dyno for you if you like. I can clearance the bearings for you, and time the camshafts. I do not/will not prove my credentials to the likes of, well let us just say special people![naughty](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/naughty.gif)
Go back to fantasy island, it seems to be your favorite place![crazy](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/crazy.gif)
Please note: To the enthusiasts that would like more information. Everything that is stated above has already been posted time and time again. Namely my dyno sheets, and of course a very special ones ego/attitude. Please feel free to check out the posts and make your own conclusions. Sorry for the OT
that came about.
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First of all, ANYTHING I post is first hand knowledge, unlike some VERY special people around here. Not mentioning names of course, SEAN.
![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Secondly I have been around engines since before you knew what gasoline was, and this I am willing to make a wager on that my friend.
And finally, I could give a rats a__ what you believe, or sometimes want to believe. I was there. I can read a dyno chart. I can program the dyno for you if you like. I can clearance the bearings for you, and time the camshafts. I do not/will not prove my credentials to the likes of, well let us just say special people
![naughty](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/naughty.gif)
Go back to fantasy island, it seems to be your favorite place
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Please note: To the enthusiasts that would like more information. Everything that is stated above has already been posted time and time again. Namely my dyno sheets, and of course a very special ones ego/attitude. Please feel free to check out the posts and make your own conclusions. Sorry for the OT
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Note: Eurocharged’s Dyno is known as the “Heartbreak King” aka Dyno dynamics load bearing style.
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In your vast knowledge you must know that ALL load bearing dynos such as DynoDynamics/SuperFlow/Mustang Dyno/etc are ALL load bearing dynos they need very exact specific data to properly/correctly read your rwhp/rwtq #'s
IE. Exact curb weight, exact gear ratios, & 4th gear true 1 to 1 gear need to be entered before runs, you get those off just a little & you get fruity WAY HIGH TQ & way low HP or reverse...
Obviously the case here w/your pre tune 1st runs
on went the S600. We did a few base lines pulls and were rewarded with an average of 370 RWHP, and 505RWT.
O.K. Now Fonzie w/NEW w221 65 AMG, Fonzie's S65 w/Down Pipes & X pipe (Down Pipes ALONE are Proven to add @ least 35 rwhp & 35 rwtq, ask me how I know?)
Fonzie's Dyno was run on the HIGHER reading DynoJet that RENNtech always uses, yet ONLY makes 52 more rwtq? Take away his Down Pipes 35 rwtq gains (thru my own & MANY others testing X pipes & 3" pipes on these applications add mostly SOUND & 5-10 rwhp HP/TQ @ best Due to overall less back pressure, Turbo's don't need MUCH back pressure like other apps)
& your supposed Heartbreaker 680 rwtq OTHERWISE STOCK s600 is ONLY OFF BY 7 RWTQ
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DynoJets are supposed to read 10% or higher than PROPERLY SET DynoDynamics that you think/swear is Gods word
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You then add in your ifinite
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But again, This was/is NOT a maxed out tune by any strech of means gentlemen.
Okay, a little update:
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I use a G-tech pro for timeed runs as I haven't been able to make a test and tune night as of yet. For comparision:
2001 M Roadster, best 0-60 was a 4.95, and 1/4 was 13.1
2004 C32, best 0-60 was a 4.80 and the 1/4 was a 12.8
2006 300 SRT, best 0-60 4.96, average 5.03
2004 S600 best 0-60 is a 4.01, average of 6 runs 4.11
Only did one 1/4 pass as I thought I saw a police cruiser 12.10 at 98mph, was on the binders HARD.
Average 60' times were 1.95 with a LOT of spin around 3500 and up.
On a side note my 0-100 times were 9.01-9.22
THIS THING FLIES
Okay, a little update:
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I use a G-tech pro for timeed runs as I haven't been able to make a test and tune night as of yet. For comparision:
2001 M Roadster, best 0-60 was a 4.95, and 1/4 was 13.1
2004 C32, best 0-60 was a 4.80 and the 1/4 was a 12.8
2006 300 SRT, best 0-60 4.96, average 5.03
2004 S600 best 0-60 is a 4.01, average of 6 runs 4.11
Only did one 1/4 pass as I thought I saw a police cruiser 12.10 at 98mph, was on the binders HARD.
Average 60' times were 1.95 with a LOT of spin around 3500 and up.
On a side note my 0-100 times were 9.01-9.22
THIS THING FLIES
2004 SL600 w/RENNtech ECU ONLY
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 100.8 in Length: 178.5 in Width: 72.0 in Height: 51.0 in
Curb weight: 4501 lb
PERFORMANCE RATINGS:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.6 sec vs your 0-60 = 4-5 car length LOSS
Zero to 100 mph: .8.6 sec vs your 0-100 = 4-6 car length LOSS
Zero to 120 mph: .11.9 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 4.5 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 11.9 sec @ 120 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 186 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 178 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 100.8 in Length: 178.5 in Width: 72.0 in Height: 51.0 in
Curb weight: 4501 lb
PERFORMANCE RATINGS:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.6 sec vs your 0-60 = 4-5 car length LOSS
Zero to 100 mph: .8.6 sec vs your 0-100 = 4-6 car length LOSS
Zero to 120 mph: .11.9 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 4.5 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 11.9 sec @ 120 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 186 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 178 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
My 2003 S600 RENNTech ECU & TCU, The best I had run before the tuning was 12.3. After The 92 pump gas file in it came in at 615rwtq & 483rwhp. it came in @ 12.1 seconds. The car tries to break the rear tires loose if you stomp the gas anywhere lower than 50mph. The tuning was done @ Dynocomp in AZ w/their HeartBreaker DynoDynamics
DynoComp's DynoDynamic Heartbreaker (get out the tissue blowhard)
ALL RENNtech's superior tunes vs Eurocharges attempts
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Here's some COLD HARD FACTS, think long & hard about them again when you mindlessly blubber to your cronies how much TQ/HP you THOUGHT/WISHED you had. Remember you asked for this dose of reality...
RENNtech stage 1 package includes not ONLY ECU but TCU yet still makes far less TQ than Jerry's version, which do you believe now??
ALL these RWHP/RWTQ #'s are after .18% driveline loss factored in...
600TT stg 1 ECU/TCU on 91-92 OCTANE FILE 480 rwhp & 600 rwtq....Hmmm you got 80 more rwtq ehh
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600 V12 Twin Turbo: RENNtech PKG1 (2003-2006)
ECU and transmission computer upgrade raise power from:
493 to 620 BHP
590 to 745 Brake LB-FT
We have seen average dyno tested gains of:
(100 to 120+ HP)
(135 to 155+ TQ)
The ECU is flashed via the OBD port and can be returned to stock at any time. This upgrade includes completed reprogramming of the engine control and transmission control units. Top Speed limiter raised from 155 to 187 mph. *DRAMATIC improvement in drivability and low end throttle response. This RENNtech ECU program is written specific to vehicle VIN# and is UNdetectable by your dealer, and can be returned to stock at any time.
ECU and transmission computer upgrade raise power from:
493 to 620 BHP
590 to 745 Brake LB-FT
We have seen average dyno tested gains of:
(100 to 120+ HP)
(135 to 155+ TQ)
The ECU is flashed via the OBD port and can be returned to stock at any time. This upgrade includes completed reprogramming of the engine control and transmission control units. Top Speed limiter raised from 155 to 187 mph. *DRAMATIC improvement in drivability and low end throttle response. This RENNtech ECU program is written specific to vehicle VIN# and is UNdetectable by your dealer, and can be returned to stock at any time.
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600 V12 Twin Turbo: RENNtech PKG2 (2003-2006)
ECU, TCU, and carbon fiber (CF) airbox
525 rwhp 636 rwtq ON 100 OCTANE FILE
600 V12 Twin Turbo: RENNtech PKG3 (2003-2006)
ECU, TCU, and carbon fiber (CF) airbox, and intercooler pump upgrade
534 rwhp 644 rwtq ON 100 OCTANE FILE
Just what does it take to get 680+ rwtq from a REAL TUNING CO.???
There is NO 65 stg 1 listed on their site but I imagine, NO CF airbox or TCU would put you close to 680 rwtq, if you HAD A S65
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AMG/65 Series RENNTech Performance PKG2 (2004-2006)
ECU, TCU, carbon fiber (CF) airbox
562 rwhp 714 rwtq
AMG/65 Series RENNTech Performance PKG3 (2004-2006)
ECU, TCU, CF airbox, intercooler pump upgrade, Stainless steel sport mufflers
574 rwhp 880 rwtq 100-109 Octane file
For *****s n' giggles, I put dwn 565 rwhp 690+ rwtq on DynoDynamics (would've easily eclipsed 700+ but it kept bucking/jumping/burning out on dyno in early rpm's in peak TQ ranges, they had to baby it thru those rpm's) w/91 Octane.
Then on 100 Octane w/IC reservoir loaded w/Ice on DynoJet I got 633 rwhp & estimated 800+ rwtq (no TQ reading on DJ w/out tapping some wires, which I wasnt having period.)
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I think this has to be one of the most active threads ever, in an otherwise generally dead S-class AMG forum! -love it, reminds me of Supraforums ![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Hopeful to have my ride on a dyno soon...pretty sure I'll hit 1000rwtq due to removal of those damn air intake screens.
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Hopeful to have my ride on a dyno soon...pretty sure I'll hit 1000rwtq due to removal of those damn air intake screens.
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MRAMG1, I have to agree with Sean on this one: 130 rwtq gain on the S65 platform seems very unlikely. And just because there is a dyno graph showing it doesn't mean it actually happened. Believe it or not my car (100% stock E63) dynoed 536 rwhp on a Mustang Dyno one time. You and I know that is impossible as the car is rated 507 at the crank and should not make more than 420 rwhp at best case scenario. However, the operator of the dyno was convinced that his machine was right and that it was calibrated correctly before, during, and after the runs. Of course, I believed (actually knew) there was a problem with the machine since I've tested my car at so many 1/4 mile tracks before I tried to dyno it and 12.10 @ 118 is no 536 rwhp ![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
In my opinion, dynos are a good tool only to a point. Eventually track times show what a car can do in real world conditions. I can't tell you how many times I've seen cars dyno at 550 whp then end-up running high 11s in the 1/4 mile while other cars dyno at 450 rwhp and end-up running high 10s. Talk to Alan (bassn_07).... he dynoed his car on so many different dynos and it showed anywhere from 437 rwhp to 570 rwhp..... and those numbers were on load-bearing dynos not dynojets
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In my opinion, dynos are a good tool only to a point. Eventually track times show what a car can do in real world conditions. I can't tell you how many times I've seen cars dyno at 550 whp then end-up running high 11s in the 1/4 mile while other cars dyno at 450 rwhp and end-up running high 10s. Talk to Alan (bassn_07).... he dynoed his car on so many different dynos and it showed anywhere from 437 rwhp to 570 rwhp..... and those numbers were on load-bearing dynos not dynojets
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MRAMG1, I agree with Sean on this one: 180 rwtq gain on the S65 platform is very unlikely. First thing first Mo, I NEVER said it did. I own a S600 as in my sig and was quoting that. I never said a thing about an S65 Just because there is a dyno graph showing it doesn't mean it happened. Believe it or not my car (100% stock E63) dynoed 536 rwhp on a Mustang Dyno one time. The car is rated 507 at the crank and should not make more than 420 rwhp in a best case scenario. The operator of the dyno was convinced he was right and the machine was calibrated correctly, but I knew it was messed up.
Dynos are a good tool to a point. Eventually track times show what the car can do in real world conditions. I can't tell you how many times I've seen cars dynoing at 550 whp and run high 11s in the 1/4 mile while other cars dynoing at 450 rwhp and run high 10s. Talk to Alan (bassn_07).... he dynoed his car on so many different dynos and it showed anywhere from 437 rwhp to 570 rwhp![EEK!](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif)
Dynos are a good tool to a point. Eventually track times show what the car can do in real world conditions. I can't tell you how many times I've seen cars dynoing at 550 whp and run high 11s in the 1/4 mile while other cars dynoing at 450 rwhp and run high 10s. Talk to Alan (bassn_07).... he dynoed his car on so many different dynos and it showed anywhere from 437 rwhp to 570 rwhp
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Thanks for your patience Mo
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Note: I agree that dynos are NOTHING more than a tool. And yes, anyone can get ANY dyno to read what they want with a little knowledge. My point was/is that on the day of MY dyno it showed a normal S600 engine and then a beast, plain and simple. But again, I will relax until further notice. Thanks again Mo for your insight
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MRAMG1, I have to agree with Sean on this one: 130 rwtq gain on the S65 platform seems very unlikely. And just because there is a dyno graph showing it doesn't mean it actually happened. Believe it or not my car (100% stock E63) dynoed 536 rwhp on a Mustang Dyno one time. You and I know that is impossible as the car is rated 507 at the crank and should not make more than 420 rwhp at best case scenario. However, the operator of the dyno was convinced that his machine was right and that it was calibrated correctly before, during, and after the runs. Of course, I believed (actually knew) there was a problem with the machine since I've tested my car at so many 1/4 mile tracks before I tried to dyno it and 12.10 @ 118 is no 536 rwhp ![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
In my opinion, dynos are a good tool only to a point. Eventually track times show what a car can do in real world conditions. I can't tell you how many times I've seen cars dyno at 550 whp then end-up running high 11s in the 1/4 mile while other cars dyno at 450 rwhp and end-up running high 10s. Talk to Alan (bassn_07).... he dynoed his car on so many different dynos and it showed anywhere from 437 rwhp to 570 rwhp..... and those numbers were on load-bearing dynos not dynojets![EEK!](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif)
![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
In my opinion, dynos are a good tool only to a point. Eventually track times show what a car can do in real world conditions. I can't tell you how many times I've seen cars dyno at 550 whp then end-up running high 11s in the 1/4 mile while other cars dyno at 450 rwhp and end-up running high 10s. Talk to Alan (bassn_07).... he dynoed his car on so many different dynos and it showed anywhere from 437 rwhp to 570 rwhp..... and those numbers were on load-bearing dynos not dynojets
![EEK!](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif)
I picked up almost 180 ft/lbs of torque,
& in his OWN WORDS left GOBBS of power on the table
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But again, This was/is NOT a maxed out tune by any strech of means gentlemen.
point was/is that on the day of MY dyno it showed a normal S600 engine and then a beast, plain and simple.
I believe I have NEVER posted a single item that I did not have a very good understanding of the subject matter.
Is this guy for real?? He has NEVER had another independent shop run an impartial NO self interest Dyno to back up these
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Then lists these as viable credentials
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I have been around engines since before you knew what gasoline was, and this I am willing to make a wager on that my friend.
I was there. I can read a dyno chart. I can program the dyno for you if you like. I can clearance the bearings for you, and time the camshafts. I do not/will not prove my credentials
I was there. I can read a dyno chart. I can program the dyno for you if you like. I can clearance the bearings for you, and time the camshafts. I do not/will not prove my credentials
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Mo, he thinks he gained 180 RWTQ (NOT 130 RWTQ) ON an OTHERWISE STOCK S600 w/92 Octane file (NOT on S65)
& in his OWN WORDS left GOBBS of power on the table
As usual Sean your are WRONG, as I never said that. Please show me where I posted this. I guess that funny cigarette has left some damage maybe.
The real mind boggling part that gets me is he basis ALL this as truth because
You're a LEGEND in your own mind...
Never stated this, but thank you
I just happen to have been around a few tracks in my days, and know fact from your fiction
Is this guy for real?? He has NEVER had another independent shop run an impartial NO self interest Dyno to back up these
claims. WoW talk about scientific proof![crazy](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/crazy.gif)
So because I have not had another dyno means the first 17 are fiction
I guess you take your car to another shop after an oil change to prove the first shop did it, right![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
Then lists these as viable credentials
Hmm I think you lost your bearings long ago pop's
& in his OWN WORDS left GOBBS of power on the table
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As usual Sean your are WRONG, as I never said that. Please show me where I posted this. I guess that funny cigarette has left some damage maybe.
The real mind boggling part that gets me is he basis ALL this as truth because
You're a LEGEND in your own mind...
Never stated this, but thank you
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Is this guy for real?? He has NEVER had another independent shop run an impartial NO self interest Dyno to back up these
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So because I have not had another dyno means the first 17 are fiction
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![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
Then lists these as viable credentials
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A few quotes of yours:
Congratz on the Tune man!! LET/Jerry These results are EPIC!!! I look fwd to seeing what a properly cooled 600/65 setup yields @ track
NOT to beat a dead horse, but hell we are talking Horsepower, this Dynodynamics is indeed the TRUE Widowmaker 370 RWHP 505 RWTO for STOCK S600 is what it should be, NOT 450 RWHP 560 RWTO as seen on the other Dynodynamics in Chi-Town that Powerchip/Jeremy tuned a DIFFERENT S600 on.
The gains achieved w/ individual tunes speak for themselves, LET/Jerry Nets near 60 RWHP & STAGGERING 180 RWTO while Powerchip comes in a Dismal 2nd w/40 RWHP & 100 RWTO nuff said...
Now since you had the almighty TTM do you car every other tuner is fictional/non worthy
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Did you forget about your previous posts or do something else that made you forget?
Boy do you like to believe the hype. I guess since you are a Burce fanboy, no one else is capable of tuning a car right.
I have not had my car at a real drag track yet, that is true. Now that are weather is cooperating it will be soon. So I will let my slips do the talking. Something that I haven't seen from you my friend
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And all the data, which took you 3 days to compile is just that data. Where is yours?
I could care less what other cars are running, other than I wish them well and hope that they are as happy as I am with their results.
Some of your comments remind me of an old saying at the gym, as after all in your own words I am a "pops"
" Some people need to know when to stop taking roids" Maybe a little anger management might help out here.
Have fun
PS: If you were knowledgeable about our cars you would know that we have torque management on them. That is why the stock torque curves are flat, ie the computer limits the amount of torque output. If you disable it, even a stock car would eclipse the factory curve. Factor in some more boost and it is VERY easy to achieve much higher torque curves.
Also, you would know, that our cars have an over torque protection around 800 ft/lbs, that makes the tranny go into neutral if it sees too much torque. Which has happened to me on cold days. then you must shut the car off to get back any forward gears. Note: As I HAVE said, I did not want eurocharg disabling for my own protection from a blown out pinion gear which has broken on several cars running drag tires. Another testimony to my car being NOT a MAXED out tune.
Side note: Several members here with tunes have also had their cars go into over torque causing this neutral phenomena, by several other tuners as well.
But then again, you know the real stats so this is all meaning less to you I'll wager.
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MO, you have been around a long time and I have always valued your posts my friend. I believe I have NEVER posted a single item that I did not have a very good understanding of the subject matter. With that said, I am not going into many details as I am awaiting a PM from a member before continuing this DYNAMIC thread/issue.
Thanks for your patience Mo![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Note: I agree that dynos are NOTHING more than a tool. And yes, anyone can get ANY dyno to read what they want with a little knowledge. My point was/is that on the day of MY dyno it showed a normal S600 engine and then a beast, plain and simple. But again, I will relax until further notice. Thanks again Mo for your insight![thumbs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
Thanks for your patience Mo
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Note: I agree that dynos are NOTHING more than a tool. And yes, anyone can get ANY dyno to read what they want with a little knowledge. My point was/is that on the day of MY dyno it showed a normal S600 engine and then a beast, plain and simple. But again, I will relax until further notice. Thanks again Mo for your insight
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Last edited by MB_Forever; 08-26-2010 at 02:35 PM.
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I agree dynos are generally worthless. I had an E55 that put down 446 whp on a dyno dynamics. Took it to the strip thinking it would be slower than my 65 and stomped it and trapped 127.
This forum is like the supra forums. Pretty sad. It's funny all people talk about are dynos where is the timeslip!? That's all that matters.
Btw, Jwades S600 put down 750whp and ran 10.97@127 and he did not have a renntech tune.
This forum is like the supra forums. Pretty sad. It's funny all people talk about are dynos where is the timeslip!? That's all that matters.
Btw, Jwades S600 put down 750whp and ran 10.97@127 and he did not have a renntech tune.
MRAMG1, I have to agree with Sean on this one: 130 rwtq gain on the S65 platform seems very unlikely. And just because there is a dyno graph showing it doesn't mean it actually happened. Believe it or not my car (100% stock E63) dynoed 536 rwhp on a Mustang Dyno one time. You and I know that is impossible as the car is rated 507 at the crank and should not make more than 420 rwhp at best case scenario. However, the operator of the dyno was convinced that his machine was right and that it was calibrated correctly before, during, and after the runs. Of course, I believed (actually knew) there was a problem with the machine since I've tested my car at so many 1/4 mile tracks before I tried to dyno it and 12.10 @ 118 is no 536 rwhp ![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
In my opinion, dynos are a good tool only to a point. Eventually track times show what a car can do in real world conditions. I can't tell you how many times I've seen cars dyno at 550 whp then end-up running high 11s in the 1/4 mile while other cars dyno at 450 rwhp and end-up running high 10s. Talk to Alan (bassn_07).... he dynoed his car on so many different dynos and it showed anywhere from 437 rwhp to 570 rwhp..... and those numbers were on load-bearing dynos not dynojets![EEK!](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif)
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In my opinion, dynos are a good tool only to a point. Eventually track times show what a car can do in real world conditions. I can't tell you how many times I've seen cars dyno at 550 whp then end-up running high 11s in the 1/4 mile while other cars dyno at 450 rwhp and end-up running high 10s. Talk to Alan (bassn_07).... he dynoed his car on so many different dynos and it showed anywhere from 437 rwhp to 570 rwhp..... and those numbers were on load-bearing dynos not dynojets
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V12-Biturbo
You're a bumbling Dementia patient...
Buddy, you were one of the first to come out and congratulate my results last year, where you not? And you even went as far as contacting Jerry for your car, am I not right again.
A few quotes of yours:
Congratz on the Tune man!! LET/Jerry These results are EPIC!!! I look fwd to seeing what a properly cooled 600/65 setup yields @ track
NOT to beat a dead horse, but hell we are talking Horsepower, this Dynodynamics is indeed the TRUE Widowmaker 370 RWHP 505 RWTO for STOCK S600 is what it should be, NOT 450 RWHP 560 RWTO as seen on the other Dynodynamics in Chi-Town that Powerchip/Jeremy tuned a DIFFERENT S600 on.
The gains achieved w/ individual tunes speak for themselves, LET/Jerry Nets near 60 RWHP & STAGGERING 180 RWTO while Powerchip comes in a Dismal 2nd w/40 RWHP & 100 RWTO nuff said...
Now since you had the almighty TTM do you car every other tuner is fictional/non worthy![bow](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/bowdown.gif)
Did you forget about your previous posts or do something else that made you forget?
Boy do you like to believe the hype. I guess since you are a Burce fanboy, no one else is capable of tuning a car right.
I have not had my car at a real drag track yet, that is true. Now that are weather is cooperating it will be soon. So I will let my slips do the talking. Something that I haven't seen from you my friend![naughty](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/naughty.gif)
And all the data, which took you 3 days to compile is just that data. Where is yours?
I could care less what other cars are running, other than I wish them well and hope that they are as happy as I am with their results.
Some of your comments remind me of an old saying at the gym, as after all in your own words I am a "pops"
" Some people need to know when to stop taking roids" Maybe a little anger management might help out here.
Have fun
PS: If you were knowledgeable about our cars you would know that we have torque management on them. That is why the stock torque curves are flat, ie the computer limits the amount of torque output. If you disable it, even a stock car would eclipse the factory curve. Factor in some more boost and it is VERY easy to achieve much higher torque curves.
Also, you would know, that our cars have an over torque protection around 800 ft/lbs, that makes the tranny go into neutral if it sees too much torque. Which has happened to me on cold days. then you must shut the car off to get back any forward gears. Note: As I HAVE said, I did not want eurocharg disabling for my own protection from a blown out pinion gear which has broken on several cars running drag tires. Another testimony to my car being NOT a MAXED out tune.
Side note: Several members here with tunes have also had their cars go into over torque causing this neutral phenomena, by several other tuners as well.
But then again, you know the real stats so this is all meaning less to you I'll wager.
A few quotes of yours:
Congratz on the Tune man!! LET/Jerry These results are EPIC!!! I look fwd to seeing what a properly cooled 600/65 setup yields @ track
NOT to beat a dead horse, but hell we are talking Horsepower, this Dynodynamics is indeed the TRUE Widowmaker 370 RWHP 505 RWTO for STOCK S600 is what it should be, NOT 450 RWHP 560 RWTO as seen on the other Dynodynamics in Chi-Town that Powerchip/Jeremy tuned a DIFFERENT S600 on.
The gains achieved w/ individual tunes speak for themselves, LET/Jerry Nets near 60 RWHP & STAGGERING 180 RWTO while Powerchip comes in a Dismal 2nd w/40 RWHP & 100 RWTO nuff said...
Now since you had the almighty TTM do you car every other tuner is fictional/non worthy
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Did you forget about your previous posts or do something else that made you forget?
Boy do you like to believe the hype. I guess since you are a Burce fanboy, no one else is capable of tuning a car right.
I have not had my car at a real drag track yet, that is true. Now that are weather is cooperating it will be soon. So I will let my slips do the talking. Something that I haven't seen from you my friend
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And all the data, which took you 3 days to compile is just that data. Where is yours?
I could care less what other cars are running, other than I wish them well and hope that they are as happy as I am with their results.
Some of your comments remind me of an old saying at the gym, as after all in your own words I am a "pops"
" Some people need to know when to stop taking roids" Maybe a little anger management might help out here.
Have fun
PS: If you were knowledgeable about our cars you would know that we have torque management on them. That is why the stock torque curves are flat, ie the computer limits the amount of torque output. If you disable it, even a stock car would eclipse the factory curve. Factor in some more boost and it is VERY easy to achieve much higher torque curves.
Also, you would know, that our cars have an over torque protection around 800 ft/lbs, that makes the tranny go into neutral if it sees too much torque. Which has happened to me on cold days. then you must shut the car off to get back any forward gears. Note: As I HAVE said, I did not want eurocharg disabling for my own protection from a blown out pinion gear which has broken on several cars running drag tires. Another testimony to my car being NOT a MAXED out tune.
Side note: Several members here with tunes have also had their cars go into over torque causing this neutral phenomena, by several other tuners as well.
But then again, you know the real stats so this is all meaning less to you I'll wager.
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I've researched/studied them since last yr = Major impossibilty for you to achieve 680 RWTQ on 92 Tune ONLY s600 w/ a PROPERLY SET DD AS you report IN YOUR OTHERWISE STOCK s600, laughable results/posts..
BOR used a 93 octane tune & still ONLY garnered 610 RWTQ w/icing & proper cool dwn between
runs, also runs 11.40 @ 121 mph @ track, what other proof do you need?
runs, also runs 11.40 @ 121 mph @ track, what other proof do you need?
Benzorama
Add me to the list of Eurocharged/L.E.T. tuned V12TT
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Eurocharged/L.E.T. stopped by DC today for a group dyno/tune day. and to do a base line dyno on my SL600. I really didn't want to mess with it too much. Well, when I got there, the dyno was free so I line jumped in front of Ahmad for what I thought was gonna be 2-3 pulls.
Lets talk for a minute about my baseline pull and the dyno it was done on. The dyno was a Dyno Dynamics, which everyone knows has the nickname of heartbreaker, due to it's low numbers that it returns. I really didn't even know what to expect, to be honest. Here's what we got:
STOCK BASELINE #'S 432 rwhp and 530 rwtq.
So, now to the good stuff. I got an off the shelf tune. One flash, no custom tweaking. It jumped up to 600lb-ft of torque the hp kinda flat lined around 440 or so. So, we iced down the intercoolers for a little while and tried again. 4 pulls in a row, We were finally able to get a good pull:
482 rwhp/610 rwtq.
That's a gain of 50hp and 80tq at the wheels. From a dig, the car is very strong. From 50mph, I stomped it and she spun the wheels. I didn't do an ESP off full launch, but the low end grunt is very noticeable. It feels like it takes 1 second to get from 50 to 80!
Another great result from Wayne and Jerry.
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Eurocharged/L.E.T. stopped by DC today for a group dyno/tune day. and to do a base line dyno on my SL600. I really didn't want to mess with it too much. Well, when I got there, the dyno was free so I line jumped in front of Ahmad for what I thought was gonna be 2-3 pulls.
Lets talk for a minute about my baseline pull and the dyno it was done on. The dyno was a Dyno Dynamics, which everyone knows has the nickname of heartbreaker, due to it's low numbers that it returns. I really didn't even know what to expect, to be honest. Here's what we got:
STOCK BASELINE #'S 432 rwhp and 530 rwtq.
Your Mramg1, pre ECU tune #'s are LESS YET MAKE 54
LESS TUNED HP & 70 more RWTQ? LESS
rwhp but FAR HIGHER RWTQ on SAME DYNO makes ZERO SENSE"on went the S600. We did a few base lines pulls and were rewarded with an average of 370 RWHP, and 505RWT." You/Mramg1 made post tune 428 rwhp &
680 rwtq!!!
look again @ the math guy it's painfully obvious the Dyno wasn't set/calibrated right
LESS TUNED HP & 70 more RWTQ? LESS
rwhp but FAR HIGHER RWTQ on SAME DYNO makes ZERO SENSE"on went the S600. We did a few base lines pulls and were rewarded with an average of 370 RWHP, and 505RWT." You/Mramg1 made post tune 428 rwhp &
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482 rwhp/610 rwtq.
That's a gain of 50hp and 80tq at the wheels. From a dig, the car is very strong. From 50mph, I stomped it and she spun the wheels. I didn't do an ESP off full launch, but the low end grunt is very noticeable. It feels like it takes 1 second to get from 50 to 80!
Another great result from Wayne and Jerry.
Just because you were aroud when Gasoline was invented means nothing, except you're OLD AS DIRT w/advanced dementia.
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WTH does your TQ graph shapes/curves have to do w/this?? I'm NOT disputing the curves but the laughable 680 peak TQ you wear like a badge of honor
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PS: If you were knowledgeable about our cars you would know that we have torque management on them. That is why the stock torque curves are flat, ie the computer limits the amount of torque output. If you disable it, even a stock car would eclipse the factory curve. Factor in some more boost and it is VERY easy to achieve much higher torque curves.
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And truly LOST def should shut the computer off & have some hot-milk & hit the hay
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Buy you stooping to say/accuse me of abusing/taking steroids is Slander, & totally pathetic, you can't effectively back up ANY facts so you choose to insult because I called you "Pop's'" since you bragged about being around when they invented Gasoline
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" Some people need to know when to stop taking roids" Maybe a little anger management might help out here.
Last edited by Thericker; 08-27-2010 at 06:37 AM.
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I'll be the 1st to admit, I didn't FULLY UNDERSTAND the MASSIVE differences between DynoDynamics properly set or NOT, it makes a huge difference. Not the case ANYMORE, I also realize No way. No how are you gaining an extra 180 TQ RWTQ
I've researched/studied them since last yr = Major impossibilty for you to achieve 680 RWTQ on 92 Tune ONLY s600 w/ a PROPERLY SET DD AS you report IN YOUR OTHERWISE STOCK s600, laughable results/posts..
Chew on this Oohhh gullible Pop's...This was another OFF THE SHELF tame version ECU as you coined it...
Why would I chew on someone else's results. They were not mine, so I'll pass on your invitation
Benzorama
IDK why you're trying to drag Bruce @ TTM into this?? He's NEVER touched my car Pop's... Bruce/Jeremy are enormous assets to MBW , shut your suck hole...
I am not nor was dragging them into your dribble. I was just stating the fact that you have their work. I did not, nor would insult other tuners unlike you. We can use all the competition there is for our toys to help lower cost and get better results
Just because you were aroud when Gasoline was invented means nothing, except you're OLD AS DIRT w/advanced dementia.
Wrong again my friend, if
. If you bothered to read my profile, as you have looked, I am 44. Last time I heard gas has been around a few more years than that. Just because I choose to use it in my engine rather than a beverage, well you might get the point.
WTH does your TQ graph shapes/curves have to do w/this?? I'm NOT disputing the curves but the laughable 680 peak TQ you wear like a badge of honor
Dissabling your TQ limiters HAVE no efects on LARGER PEAK TQ
(Mine were removed thru Speedriven TCU, it just allows ALL available early TQ in the 1st few hundered rpm's of ALL gears to be let loose. It's done thru the TCU NOT ECU ![Rcain](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rcain.gif)
I guess B&G, MHP, Renntech and others are all wrong when their websites state they adjust BOTH ECU and TCU for torque management. I know you know better and everyone else is wrong.
TQ management is in the TCU
the TQ curves aren't flatter due to them being neutered from factory. You CAN NOT CONTROL the EXACT BOOST/PSI amount on the 600 it's a value/precentage increased/decreased by tuner, NOT a simple # to drop in the ECU tune, damn you really are out their
And truly LOST def should shut the computer off & have some hot-milk & hit the hay
Most informed people know that the ECU cuts power when the TCU tells it to. Again, you know better![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
Buy you stooping to say/accuse me of abusing/taking steroids is Slander, & totally pathetic, you can't effectively back up ANY facts so you choose to insult because I called you "Pop's'" since you bragged about being around when they invented Gasoline
etc.
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I've researched/studied them since last yr = Major impossibilty for you to achieve 680 RWTQ on 92 Tune ONLY s600 w/ a PROPERLY SET DD AS you report IN YOUR OTHERWISE STOCK s600, laughable results/posts..
Chew on this Oohhh gullible Pop's...This was another OFF THE SHELF tame version ECU as you coined it...
Why would I chew on someone else's results. They were not mine, so I'll pass on your invitation
Benzorama
IDK why you're trying to drag Bruce @ TTM into this?? He's NEVER touched my car Pop's... Bruce/Jeremy are enormous assets to MBW , shut your suck hole...
I am not nor was dragging them into your dribble. I was just stating the fact that you have their work. I did not, nor would insult other tuners unlike you. We can use all the competition there is for our toys to help lower cost and get better results
Just because you were aroud when Gasoline was invented means nothing, except you're OLD AS DIRT w/advanced dementia.
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Wrong again my friend, if
![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
WTH does your TQ graph shapes/curves have to do w/this?? I'm NOT disputing the curves but the laughable 680 peak TQ you wear like a badge of honor
![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
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I guess B&G, MHP, Renntech and others are all wrong when their websites state they adjust BOTH ECU and TCU for torque management. I know you know better and everyone else is wrong.
TQ management is in the TCU
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And truly LOST def should shut the computer off & have some hot-milk & hit the hay
![smash](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smashfreak.gif)
Most informed people know that the ECU cuts power when the TCU tells it to. Again, you know better
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Buy you stooping to say/accuse me of abusing/taking steroids is Slander, & totally pathetic, you can't effectively back up ANY facts so you choose to insult because I called you "Pop's'" since you bragged about being around when they invented Gasoline
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AS far as your issues, I will leave that to the professionals.
My favorite point that you like to keep bringing up is other peoples cars. Where are your time slips
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As I stated before, I wish them all a 10 second car, actually I wished them the best but I am trying to put it into a reference that you may understand.
I will have my slips soon, good, bad or other wise I will post them. I do not hide behind other peoples possession's or results. I simply state mine.
I might mention that you were the one that started with derogatory comments. And then of course when I introduce one, you become offended. Who would have ever thought
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Again, I wish EVERYONE that has had a tune the best intentions. I hope they are as happy as I am with mine.
Have fun Sean
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