Fonzie AMG

sorry about the quality.. ran it again at Renntech today.. here is a copy of the results.

581rwhp
732rwtq

i think i attached the pdf correctly

fn3423

Very impressive!

Wish the 63s made that kind of power!

MRAMG1

Very nice numbers my friend

I would enjoy a ride in your toy, or a line up

I do not believe I would win mind you, but I would still enjoy the moment.

MRAMG1

I would also enjoy it

But for a lousy drag race, sorry I am a road racer at heart, my hypocrisy will not allow me to drive that far.

I will be going to Pittsburgh Raceway, formely Keystone raceway, this fall to get some slips. It is about 1 hour do East of Pittsburgh, a bit far for you, but drop me a PM if you are interested.

Have fun.

V12Godspeed

Awesome numbers. The torque seems to be right on point!

Fonzie AMG

these numbers are in 96-98 degree florida sun.

i wonder what i'll pick up if anything when the temps drop down to the 50's..

transferred

nice numbers on your s65...gonna have to take the w221 65 plunge soon

Can I see pics of the RS6....what mods are done to it and have you had it dyno'd? twin turb 4.2 is ... I have a friend who keeps talking about getting an RS6 but Ive only ever seen two on the roads....has the susp (drc??) been reliable? Guy I know in phoenix says he has like 600+ outta his, sounds a solid platform

aside from the rear view the car still looks really fresh for an 03 so i can see why you'd keep it bro... though man they should bring the second version to these shores that M5 killer would be crazy tuned

-Rob

Fonzie AMG

Oh man i've modded the heck out of the RS6..

-APR ECU/TCU
-Hotckis front and rear swaybars
-DRC failed - Replaced with KW V3's
-Full USP catless downpipes
-Rebuilt catless turbo back exhaust
-AWE mufflers
-Black Milltek tips
-APR R1 Diverter valves
-VMR RS4 Titanium wheels
-USP intake
-RNS-E Nav

Because of the all wheel drive it is a blast to drive.. it just grips and throws you forward. Dynos at 490whp. The S65 would smoke it once it gets hooked but still fun. The tranny is a disaster though - blew 3 t/c's already.

Thericker

Here let me explain it to you like I would to a special person like yourself, you claim to have run on the King of Heartbreaker dyno's the DynoDynamics that reads LOWER than ALL dyno's right? You supposedly made 680 rwtq w/ECU 92 Octane tune ONLY on s600 right? Here's your Dyno sheet shortly after it spit outta' the Euro-gumball machine


In your vast knowledge you must know that ALL load bearing dynos such as DynoDynamics/SuperFlow/Mustang Dyno/etc are ALL load bearing dynos they need very exact specific data to properly/correctly read your rwhp/rwtq #'s

IE. Exact curb weight, exact gear ratios, & 4th gear true 1 to 1 gear need to be entered before runs, you get those off just a little & you get fruity WAY HIGH TQ & way low HP or reverse...

Obviously the case here w/your pre tune 1st runs 505-540 rwtq is dead AVERAGE rwtq for DynoJet reading...

O.K. Now Fonzie w/NEW w221 65 AMG, Fonzie's S65 w/Down Pipes & X pipe (Down Pipes ALONE are Proven to add @ least 35 rwhp & 35 rwtq, ask me how I know?)

Fonzie's Dyno was run on the HIGHER reading DynoJet that RENNtech always uses, yet ONLY makes 52 more rwtq? Take away his Down Pipes 35 rwtq gains (thru my own & MANY others testing X pipes & 3" pipes on these applications add mostly SOUND & 5-10 rwhp HP/TQ @ best Due to overall less back pressure, Turbo's don't need MUCH back pressure like other apps)

& your supposed Heartbreaker 680 rwtq OTHERWISE STOCK s600 is ONLY OFF BY 7 RWTQ From Fonzie's much more modded S65, see how this DOESN'T ADD UP MR. Knowjack*****, your Heartbreaker dyno isn't calibrated correctly PERIOD.

DynoJets are supposed to read 10% or higher than PROPERLY SET DynoDynamics that you think/swear is Gods word would mean you would put down 748 rwtq on a comparable DynoJet w/NO OTHER MODS. Please shut your suck hole before you make an EVEN bigger **** of yourself if @ all possible after your child like ramblings.

You then add in your ifinite wisdom of modding these V12tt's w/more misguided rants Now some reality measurements on city streets w/FACTORY RUBBER NON preped test track by Any means, from a portly SL600 2004 model w/EVERY option including Pano-Roof. NOTE CURB WEIGHT IN COMPARO TO YOUR 03-04 s600
Now from another fellow well repected member here on MBW...
Now for MORE SOLID PROOF since you fancy yourself some sort of expert...
DynoComp's DynoDynamic Heartbreaker (get out the tissue blowhard)
ALL RENNtech's superior tunes vs Eurocharges attempts How many years have Eurocharge been writing 600/65 files again? Who's their master tuner? I wont even bother posting the obvious 15-20+ yrs & multi million $$ league they're in vs Eurodump...

Here's some COLD HARD FACTS, think long & hard about them again when you mindlessly blubber to your cronies how much TQ/HP you THOUGHT/WISHED you had. Remember you asked for this dose of reality...

RENNtech stage 1 package includes not ONLY ECU but TCU yet still makes far less TQ than Jerry's version, which do you believe now??

ALL these RWHP/RWTQ #'s are after .18% driveline loss factored in...

600TT stg 1 ECU/TCU on 91-92 OCTANE FILE 480 rwhp & 600 rwtq....Hmmm you got 80 more rwtq ehh
Ohhh looky here... SAME Heartbreaker DynoDynamics, though done @ a much more reputable ELITE Co.


600 V12 Twin Turbo: RENNtech PKG2 (2003-2006)
ECU, TCU, and carbon fiber (CF) airbox
525 rwhp 636 rwtq ON 100 OCTANE FILE

600 V12 Twin Turbo: RENNtech PKG3 (2003-2006)
ECU, TCU, and carbon fiber (CF) airbox, and intercooler pump upgrade
534 rwhp 644 rwtq ON 100 OCTANE FILE

Just what does it take to get 680+ rwtq from a REAL TUNING CO.???
There is NO 65 stg 1 listed on their site but I imagine, NO CF airbox or TCU would put you close to 680 rwtq, if you HAD A S65

AMG/65 Series RENNTech Performance PKG2 (2004-2006)
ECU, TCU, carbon fiber (CF) airbox
562 rwhp 714 rwtq

AMG/65 Series RENNTech Performance PKG3 (2004-2006)
ECU, TCU, CF airbox, intercooler pump upgrade, Stainless steel sport mufflers
574 rwhp 880 rwtq 100-109 Octane file

For *****s n' giggles, I put dwn 565 rwhp 690+ rwtq on DynoDynamics (would've easily eclipsed 700+ but it kept bucking/jumping/burning out on dyno in early rpm's in peak TQ ranges, they had to baby it thru those rpm's) w/91 Octane.

Then on 100 Octane w/IC reservoir loaded w/Ice on DynoJet I got 633 rwhp & estimated 800+ rwtq (no TQ reading on DJ w/out tapping some wires, which I wasnt having period.)

Fonzie AMG

dude your keyboard must be smoking right now

Thericker

Sometimes you gotta dump truckloads on 'em...

Philly Single

I think this has to be one of the most active threads ever, in an otherwise generally dead S-class AMG forum! -love it, reminds me of Supraforums

Hopeful to have my ride on a dyno soon...pretty sure I'll hit 1000rwtq due to removal of those damn air intake screens.

Jay

MB_Forever

MRAMG1, I have to agree with Sean on this one: 130 rwtq gain on the S65 platform seems very unlikely. And just because there is a dyno graph showing it doesn't mean it actually happened. Believe it or not my car (100% stock E63) dynoed 536 rwhp on a Mustang Dyno one time. You and I know that is impossible as the car is rated 507 at the crank and should not make more than 420 rwhp at best case scenario. However, the operator of the dyno was convinced that his machine was right and that it was calibrated correctly before, during, and after the runs. Of course, I believed (actually knew) there was a problem with the machine since I've tested my car at so many 1/4 mile tracks before I tried to dyno it and 12.10 @ 118 is no 536 rwhp

In my opinion, dynos are a good tool only to a point. Eventually track times show what a car can do in real world conditions. I can't tell you how many times I've seen cars dyno at 550 whp then end-up running high 11s in the 1/4 mile while other cars dyno at 450 rwhp and end-up running high 10s. Talk to Alan (bassn_07).... he dynoed his car on so many different dynos and it showed anywhere from 437 rwhp to 570 rwhp..... and those numbers were on load-bearing dynos not dynojets

MRAMG1

MO, you have been around a long time and I have always valued your posts my friend. I believe I have NEVER posted a single item that I did not have a very good understanding of the subject matter. With that said, I am not going into many details as I am awaiting a PM from a member before continuing this DYNAMIC thread/issue.

Thanks for your patience Mo

Note: I agree that dynos are NOTHING more than a tool. And yes, anyone can get ANY dyno to read what they want with a little knowledge. My point was/is that on the day of MY dyno it showed a normal S600 engine and then a beast, plain and simple. But again, I will relax until further notice. Thanks again Mo for your insight

Thericker

Mo, he thinks he gained 180 RWTQ (NOT 130 RWTQ) ON an OTHERWISE STOCK S600 w/92 Octane file (NOT on S65)

& in his OWN WORDS left GOBBS of power on the table The real mind boggling part that gets me is he basis ALL this as truth because You're a LEGEND in your own mind...

Is this guy for real?? He has NEVER had another independent shop run an impartial NO self interest Dyno to back up these claims. WoW talk about scientific proof

Then lists these as viable credentials Hmm I think you lost your bearings long ago pop's

MRAMG1

Buddy, you were one of the first to come out and congratulate my results last year, where you not? And you even went as far as contacting Jerry for your car, am I not right again.

A few quotes of yours:

Congratz on the Tune man!! LET/Jerry These results are EPIC!!! I look fwd to seeing what a properly cooled 600/65 setup yields @ track

NOT to beat a dead horse, but hell we are talking Horsepower, this Dynodynamics is indeed the TRUE Widowmaker 370 RWHP 505 RWTO for STOCK S600 is what it should be, NOT 450 RWHP 560 RWTO as seen on the other Dynodynamics in Chi-Town that Powerchip/Jeremy tuned a DIFFERENT S600 on.

The gains achieved w/ individual tunes speak for themselves, LET/Jerry Nets near 60 RWHP & STAGGERING 180 RWTO while Powerchip comes in a Dismal 2nd w/40 RWHP & 100 RWTO nuff said...

Now since you had the almighty TTM do you car every other tuner is fictional/non worthy

Did you forget about your previous posts or do something else that made you forget?

Boy do you like to believe the hype. I guess since you are a Burce fanboy, no one else is capable of tuning a car right.

I have not had my car at a real drag track yet, that is true. Now that are weather is cooperating it will be soon. So I will let my slips do the talking. Something that I haven't seen from you my friend

And all the data, which took you 3 days to compile is just that data. Where is yours?

I could care less what other cars are running, other than I wish them well and hope that they are as happy as I am with their results.

Some of your comments remind me of an old saying at the gym, as after all in your own words I am a "pops"

" Some people need to know when to stop taking roids" Maybe a little anger management might help out here.

Have fun

PS: If you were knowledgeable about our cars you would know that we have torque management on them. That is why the stock torque curves are flat, ie the computer limits the amount of torque output. If you disable it, even a stock car would eclipse the factory curve. Factor in some more boost and it is VERY easy to achieve much higher torque curves.

Also, you would know, that our cars have an over torque protection around 800 ft/lbs, that makes the tranny go into neutral if it sees too much torque. Which has happened to me on cold days. then you must shut the car off to get back any forward gears. Note: As I HAVE said, I did not want eurocharg disabling for my own protection from a blown out pinion gear which has broken on several cars running drag tires. Another testimony to my car being NOT a MAXED out tune.

Side note: Several members here with tunes have also had their cars go into over torque causing this neutral phenomena, by several other tuners as well.

But then again, you know the real stats so this is all meaning less to you I'll wager.

MB_Forever

My apologies to you sir, I thought the argument was over the 134 rwtq gains on an S65 platform from merely a tune, which I guess was started by e55 baller (trouble maker ). MRAMG1, please remember I was not calling you a liar (nor implying it) by any means, I was suggesting the possibility that a read on one dyno may have been inaccurate or too optimistic as has happened to me and others many times in the past. I look forward to more of your test results

Hammer Down

man and I thought we had some issue's over on the W211 forum

V12Godspeed

subscribed....

e55 baller

I agree dynos are generally worthless. I had an E55 that put down 446 whp on a dyno dynamics. Took it to the strip thinking it would be slower than my 65 and stomped it and trapped 127.

This forum is like the supra forums. Pretty sad. It's funny all people talk about are dynos where is the timeslip!? That's all that matters.

Btw, Jwades S600 put down 750whp and ran 10.97@127 and he did not have a renntech tune.

e55 baller

Man had I known I would not have posted as it certaintly twisted his panties

Thericker

I'll be the 1st to admit, I didn't FULLY UNDERSTAND the MASSIVE differences between DynoDynamics properly set or NOT, it makes a huge difference. Not the case ANYMORE, I also realize No way. No how are you gaining an extra 180 TQ RWTQ

I've researched/studied them since last yr = Major impossibilty for you to achieve 680 RWTQ on 92 Tune ONLY s600 w/ a PROPERLY SET DD AS you report IN YOUR OTHERWISE STOCK s600, laughable results/posts..

Chew on this Oohhh gullible Pop's...This was another OFF THE SHELF tame version ECU as you coined it...

Benzorama IDK why you're trying to drag Bruce @ TTM into this?? He's NEVER touched my car Pop's... Bruce/Jeremy are enormous assets to MBW , shut your suck hole...

Just because you were aroud when Gasoline was invented means nothing, except you're OLD AS DIRT w/advanced dementia.

WTH does your TQ graph shapes/curves have to do w/this?? I'm NOT disputing the curves but the laughable 680 peak TQ you wear like a badge of honor Dissabling your TQ limiters HAVE no efects on LARGER PEAK TQ (Mine were removed thru Speedriven TCU, it just allows ALL available early TQ in the 1st few hundered rpm's of ALL gears to be let loose. It's done thru the TCU NOT ECU

TQ management is in the TCU the TQ curves aren't flatter due to them being neutered from factory. You CAN NOT CONTROL the EXACT BOOST/PSI amount on the 600 it's a value/precentage increased/decreased by tuner, NOT a simple # to drop in the ECU tune, damn you really are out their
And truly LOST def should shut the computer off & have some hot-milk & hit the hay

Buy you stooping to say/accuse me of abusing/taking steroids is Slander, & totally pathetic, you can't effectively back up ANY facts so you choose to insult because I called you "Pop's'" since you bragged about being around when they invented Gasoline etc.

MRAMG1

My comments were neither slandering nor pathetic. I was trying to take a guess at your behavior towards other board members and myself, and I have apparently struck a cord.

AS far as your issues, I will leave that to the professionals.

My favorite point that you like to keep bringing up is other peoples cars. Where are your time slips

As I stated before, I wish them all a 10 second car, actually I wished them the best but I am trying to put it into a reference that you may understand.

I will have my slips soon, good, bad or other wise I will post them. I do not hide behind other peoples possession's or results. I simply state mine.

I might mention that you were the one that started with derogatory comments. And then of course when I introduce one, you become offended. Who would have ever thought

Again, I wish EVERYONE that has had a tune the best intentions. I hope they are as happy as I am with mine.

Have fun Sean

alextaylor29

Good thread!

I'm looking at an S65 in the next 12 months from my E55.

Busa196

I'm never on here anymore and now I know why, some things/people never change.......same threads, same arguments.....