New S65 to get AWD???
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New S65 to get AWD???
http://www.gtspirit.com/2014/01/25/m...iant-imminent/
From reading this from gt spirit, it sounds like the possibility of an AWD S65 might happen. Im not confident it will, since they didnt do it in the sedan, but what do you guys think? Its common knowledge that the S63 coupe will be awd with the same engine from the sedan, but id love to the 65 be awd and take on the likes of the Bentleys and other supercars! Guess we will find out in march!
From reading this from gt spirit, it sounds like the possibility of an AWD S65 might happen. Im not confident it will, since they didnt do it in the sedan, but what do you guys think? Its common knowledge that the S63 coupe will be awd with the same engine from the sedan, but id love to the 65 be awd and take on the likes of the Bentleys and other supercars! Guess we will find out in march!
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i mean with the AWD sorry forgot to clarify that. Bentley is one of the few automakers that offer a 12 cylinder with awd, im hoping benz can do the same as well. But yes they are already beating bentleys you are correct. but an awd S65 with 630hp and over 700 lb's of tq will be a complete beast!
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I wish it were true,65 series needs traction more then any other car in MB line but unfortunately it is not happening in the current generation (including new S-Class Coupe).
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yeah i can imagine, i drove an S600 which has far less hp/tq and that thing was breaking loose at 60!!! so i can imagine what the 65 is like......i wish they would offer it in rwd/awd....maybe one day, but the new awd S63 coupe will be awesome!
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MB screwed us and themselves with this new S65, why would you spend the extra money over the S63 to buy a slower car. I was planning on replacing mine with a new one but unless a miracle happens and the new S65 gets 4Matic I will be getting an S63.
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I don't think there's anywhere to put the front differential on a V12TT.
The V8 does have room, and is still very powerful, while being much more efficient. I presume it will have less weight at the front, so better handling.
However, regardless of which engine you have, if you have AWD, there's no room for ABC, so there's another difficult decision:
S65 with ABC, S63 with ABC, or S63 with AWD?
Its frustrating, but nomatter how much money you have, you can't have everything....
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The V8 does have room, and is still very powerful, while being much more efficient. I presume it will have less weight at the front, so better handling.
However, regardless of which engine you have, if you have AWD, there's no room for ABC, so there's another difficult decision:
S65 with ABC, S63 with ABC, or S63 with AWD?
Its frustrating, but nomatter how much money you have, you can't have everything....
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yeah i was just talking with an official from MB and he was saying the S63 is so good now that the S65 almost isnt worth it, oh and it cost 200k +. So i agree with you guys that they shouldve tried to awd with the sedan or just done away with it, as its almost useless since the S63 is already going to be insane. Im honestly surprised they came out with another S600, saw it in person and it looked amazing!
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Maybe I'm one of the select few, but I will not buy AWD cars. AWD is fine if all you care about is straight line performance. I actually like my cars to go around "corners"...whatever those are. I've heard they have those things in that place called Europe.
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i need the traction for winter, as many do which swayed a lot of people to buy E63's. but from multiple reviews ive seen the E63 handles better than the notorious M5.
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if you're so worried about going around corners buy an M3 or a 911. I'm sure the handling difference between an AWD S63 and a RWD S65 is hardly noticeable if there even is a difference. Oh and there are many AWD drive cars that have fantastic cornering abilities.
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In addition, I love having cars with more power than grip--just something wonderful when you do manage to get it to hook up and just go. The rest of the time, having to module the throttle and put some thought into driving makes it more fun--to me anyway. Point and shoot cars with massive grip just aren't interesting to me.
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I already have both of those. I like all of my cars to be fun whether it's my track car or my snow car, and AWD for me is not fun. I enjoy the occasional burnout and ability to throw it around a corner with the rear tires on fire. That is good fun in something as big as the 65s.
In addition, I love having cars with more power than grip--just something wonderful when you do manage to get it to hook up and just go. The rest of the time, having to module the throttle and put some thought into driving makes it more fun--to me anyway. Point and shoot cars with massive grip just aren't interesting to me.
In addition, I love having cars with more power than grip--just something wonderful when you do manage to get it to hook up and just go. The rest of the time, having to module the throttle and put some thought into driving makes it more fun--to me anyway. Point and shoot cars with massive grip just aren't interesting to me.
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If you put an aftermarket LSD in, the car will feel TOTALLY different. You will have the ability to push the rear out so much easier if you want since both tires will be fighting for traction. I noticed that stock, traction control gets involved when there is crazy wheel spin. With the LSD, the spin speed isn't as high and you will be too sideways before the computer intervenes. It will make you respect the cars power a bit and allow you to get much more traction before the computer takes the fun away. I'm not 100% but it may be based on speed sensors in the wheels. Either way, extra traction and putting power to the ground is always good. If they make it a 4 matic, then people will be working that much harder to put even more power down. Otherwise, like the others say, it will be point and shoot.
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I believe the reason the S65 doesn't come with 4Matic is that it has Magic Body Control, which is currently incompatible with 4Matic. That's why you can't get an S63 with MBC, because it only comes in the AWD version.
And, I agree, an S65 without AWD would be useless. You'd be hampered constantly by the traction control, or be spinning madly with it turned off.
And, I agree, an S65 without AWD would be useless. You'd be hampered constantly by the traction control, or be spinning madly with it turned off.
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Its ABC that's incompatible with AWD, as I said in post #7, and MBC uses ABC to do what it does.
It's not a problem at the rear, but the front ABC struts are necessarily long, and would foul the drive shafts (as would the RHS turbo foul the differential).
ABC struts are longer than conventional or Airmatic struts. The wheel travel isn't great, but they need long spring and piston travel to achieve the dynamic levelling.
I have an S600TT with ABC and RWD. I'd love AWD - it really needs it - but I'm not sure I'd be prepared to do without ABC.
This is idle speculation, but one option might be to use Active Curve System (option on the ML-class and GL-class).
That uses active sway bars to achieve roll control, rather than active struts. It's like what BMW and Land Rover use in their roll control systems.
ACS doesn't do self-levelling, so you'd still need Airmatic - but that IS compatible with AWD!
http://www.daimler.com/dccom/0-5-121...0-0-0-0-0.html
http://techcenter.mercedes-benz.com/...em/detail.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/new-m-cla...ve-system.html
The other option might be for MB to use a single piece lower wishbone (instead of two-piece). However, with a single outer ball-joint, the outboard scrub radius would be increased.
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It's not a problem at the rear, but the front ABC struts are necessarily long, and would foul the drive shafts (as would the RHS turbo foul the differential).
ABC struts are longer than conventional or Airmatic struts. The wheel travel isn't great, but they need long spring and piston travel to achieve the dynamic levelling.
I have an S600TT with ABC and RWD. I'd love AWD - it really needs it - but I'm not sure I'd be prepared to do without ABC.
This is idle speculation, but one option might be to use Active Curve System (option on the ML-class and GL-class).
That uses active sway bars to achieve roll control, rather than active struts. It's like what BMW and Land Rover use in their roll control systems.
ACS doesn't do self-levelling, so you'd still need Airmatic - but that IS compatible with AWD!
http://www.daimler.com/dccom/0-5-121...0-0-0-0-0.html
http://techcenter.mercedes-benz.com/...em/detail.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/new-m-cla...ve-system.html
The other option might be for MB to use a single piece lower wishbone (instead of two-piece). However, with a single outer ball-joint, the outboard scrub radius would be increased.
Nick
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The 2015 S-Class Coupe comes with both 4Matic and ABC, so it appears as though they solved that problem, but interestingly, the Coupe press release doesn't mention MBC at all, even though the car has the forward-looking camera that allows the tilting function.
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The coupe comes with MBC just like the sedan. You can't get ABC without MBC...
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Can you share your source?
Did you mean you can't get MBC without ABC? ABC is a pre-requisite for MBC.
Did you mean you can't get MBC without ABC? ABC is a pre-requisite for MBC.
