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Just some info for anyone interested about their values and depreciation based on just one transaction.
I bought a brand new, just delivered 2019 GT63S Edition 1 with MSRP of $200,495, got a discount of $25k since 2020s are all around.
Re-sold it back to my dealer without even taking the car for a spin, still with plastic covers on, for $146k.
I could have kept it and sell my '19 S63 but then I would have to take an even higher loss, besides, at this point I prefer my S, since I made it perfect with Renntech turbo upgrades and may other things.
I wont ask about the depreciation factor, I get it #becauseAMG.
What did you not like about the GT63S that caused you to return at the loss you took (its relative I know but still)? I hear great things about this car and its warming up to me... slowly. I have a deal at 40k off on a new 178k msrp unit and Im very used to AMG deprectiation (11 of them) but I wanted to know your thoughts on the car itself outside of the value issue. Thanks Absent.
'23 S580 Manufaktur and '21 GLE 53 Coupe (Past MBZ: 2020 GT63, S65, S63, E55, CL65, S550, C32)
Deprecation on all of these cars is atrocious. Years ago I bought a CL without getting my wife’s input right before we had a baby. Could not get the car seat in and out of the back and had to sell it back to the dealership right away. It was a disaster.
I thought I would throw my 2c in as I had a 2017 S63 with a Renntech tune prior to my 2020 GT 63. They are both amazing cars but different. My S63 was an amazing mix of comfort and power. It was a big, luxurious car that put all its power down without spinning the wheels (unlike my Renntech’d tuned S65 prior to that). Man, I loved that car.
I have had my GT63 for 2 weeks now. I smile every time I drive it. I just had a Renntech Exhaust Valve Controlled module installed this week and put in a PedbalBox. I am not going to do a ECU tune right now as I frankly don’t know if I need it. The PedalBox made a noticeable difference. It is snap your head back fast. With 21” wheels even on comfort mode there is a fair bit of road noise. More than I expected. I had 21” Vossen wheels on my S63. Even with big wheels and thin tires the S63 was super quiet. The GT 63 with 21” wheels and an air-ride suspension has much more road feel. It’s not like the 2 door GT but it it noticeable.
Overall, I absolutely love the GT63. The interior is amazing, I have only seen one on the road in 6 months, the exhaust sounds incredible, it’s comfortable, the handling is stellar and it’s fast (very fast and I don’t even have the S model).
Feel free to PM me is you have any questions about it.
Deprecation on all of these cars is atrocious. Years ago I bought a CL without getting my wife’s input right before we had a baby. Could not get the car seat in and out of the back and had to sell it back to the dealership right away. It was a disaster.
I thought I would throw my 2c in as I had a 2017 S63 with a Renntech tune prior to my 2020 GT 63. They are both amazing cars but different. My S63 was an amazing mix of comfort and power. It was a big, luxurious car that put all its power down without spinning the wheels (unlike my Renntech’d tuned S65 prior to that). Man, I loved that car.
I have had my GT63 for 2 weeks now. I smile every time I drive it. I just had a Renntech Exhaust Valve Controlled module installed this week and put in a PedbalBox. I am not going to do a ECU tune right now as I frankly don’t know if I need it. The PedalBox made a noticeable difference. It is snap your head back fast. With 21” wheels even on comfort mode there is a fair bit of road noise. More than I expected. I had 21” Vossen wheels on my S63. Even with big wheels and thin tires the S63 was super quiet. The GT 63 with 21” wheels and an air-ride suspension has much more road feel. It’s not like the 2 door GT but it it noticeable.
Overall, I absolutely love the GT63. The interior is amazing, I have only seen one on the road in 6 months, the exhaust sounds incredible, it’s comfortable, the handling is stellar and it’s fast (very fast and I don’t even have the S model).
Feel free to PM me is you have any questions about it.
Thanks for this--- I need to actually get out and drive one (yes I havent even tried it out).
I wont ask about the depreciation factor, I get it #becauseAMG.
What did you not like about the GT63S that caused you to return at the loss you took (its relative I know but still)? I hear great things about this car and its warming up to me... slowly. I have a deal at 40k off on a new 178k msrp unit and Im very used to AMG deprectiation (11 of them) but I wanted to know your thoughts on the car itself outside of the value issue. Thanks Absent.
Absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Car I bought had the perfect spec for me, Edition 1.
Had to choose that or my current daily, ‘19 S63 with turbo upgrade and many other things, put way too much $$ in it.
The hit on my car would be probably double at least, over the GT, hence the sale of the latter.
To answer your next question that you would ask, why the hell would I buy it to begin with.
My dealer principal decided the only allocation for Black Series they have would be “married” to purchase of that 2019 leftover GT MBUSA stuck him with.
Hence my crazy deal.....
^ No RS6 in the plans? I'm number two on my dealers list but may opt for the RS7. I want to see how they can be configured in the US.
Hi Vic.
hey Dave, happy hoidays!!
The RS6 is definitely a car on my list but Im not sure if I want to jockey for a spot to just pay msrp. I hear (not confirmed) that slots are limited and that would a be an issue for me; I can always just get the new RS7 instead which would suit me fine too.
just test drove the GT63 , and currently drive M5C
two thing better than M5
Sound more natural which I expected
Handling seem a little bit sharper , but again test drive was limited
I still feel that M5 has better engine/transmission
I certainly don't think it is worth 50 K more than M5 , but as they sit , and dealers have to move them , at the price of M5 , it is certainly a strong consideration
Prices are tanking hard, new ones are sitting on auto trader for months without moving and there is the flood of 20s coming in so welcome to more tanking on used and left over inventory. The non S is even worse there seems to be a flood of them all over just sitting stagnant. The car is extremely overpriced for the what it offers and quality of interior compared to S class. Worse try to get dealers to come down on price with demo miles or inventory sitting and they are just happy to sit and wallow in their overpriced show room piece. Some had the audacity to say they sell em mark up or sticker at best ...i said " are you stupid ! nobody is buying these 200k turds...LOOK! i have the manually slide the sunroof shade on $200k car! give me a break! " I thought S63 AMG depreciation was hard but jesus these things are coming down hard. At 149k used they are not moving because that is what you would pay in theory for left over stock or demo miles new...by next year wouldn't be shocked the used ones are going to be going for 100k. I have yet to see one on the road as well. I have no clue who is buying them because nobody is stupid enough to lease one at the absurd lease rates.
The RS6 is definitely a car on my list but Im not sure if I want to jockey for a spot to just pay msrp. I hear (not confirmed) that slots are limited and that would a be an issue for me; I can always just get the new RS7 instead which would suit me fine too.
According to this guy only 2 per dealer and a 1 year run for the RS6.
I wont ask about the depreciation factor, I get it #becauseAMG.
What did you not like about the GT63S that caused you to return at the loss you took (its relative I know but still)? I hear great things about this car and its warming up to me... slowly. I have a deal at 40k off on a new 178k msrp unit and Im very used to AMG deprectiation (11 of them) but I wanted to know your thoughts on the car itself outside of the value issue. Thanks Absent.
Contemplating the same thing as our E63s is due for replacement. I have to check on the latest residual and MF but at those discounts it's tempting (unless you can post them ). I am also looking at the M8 Comp. With discounts they are roughly the same within $4k ($157k list) and lease for less. If they can get past the stop sale, that is...
If anyone is interested in taking advantage of the market drop in values, I have a 2019 AMG GT4 63 in the sale section with less than 3k miles. Nice specs at a $163k list .. check it out...
Contemplating the same thing as our E63s is due for replacement. I have to check on the latest residual and MF but at those discounts it's tempting (unless you can post them ). I am also looking at the M8 Comp. With discounts they are roughly the same within $4k ($157k list) and lease for less. If they can get past the stop sale, that is...
You want to get into the vicious cycle? Get an M8; its faring no better than the GT63S's in regards to asking and getting on the dealer lots. They just tend to lease a little better even though the GT63S has a weird 51 month lease with a .00182 MF (subvented).
I know people getting 15% off on the M8 (non demo) plus 3k factory money (not sure if its lease cash). Ill assume the residual %'s are much higher with BMW for the M8; so the best day of your lease (if you do that) will be the first day and the last LOL.
I dont think Ill touch a GT63S at the moment even with my deal because while I love to throw money on rewarding performing cars I still have to be a bit prudent on the incredulous value drops. And I have an M5 which is fawking terrible with depreciation equally. The difference is starting and ending points with the higher msrp's crushing values.
You want to get into the vicious cycle? Get an M8; its faring no better than the GT63S's in regards to asking and getting on the dealer lots. They just tend to lease a little better even though the GT63S has a weird 51 month lease with a .00182 MF (subvented).
I know people getting 15% off on the M8 (non demo) plus 3k factory money (not sure if its lease cash). Ill assume the residual %'s are much higher with BMW for the M8; so the best day of your lease (if you do that) will be the first day and the last LOL.
I dont think Ill touch a GT63S at the moment even with my deal because while I love to throw money on rewarding performing cars I still have to be a bit prudent on the incredulous value drops. And I have an M5 which is fawking terrible with depreciation equally. The difference is starting and ending points with the higher msrp's crushing values.
Whoa, 51 months? I think MBFS figured the monthly rate people are ok to pay for that car and then reverse-calculated the terms
The depreciation on all these cars is ridiculous. And some of the tech on the GT63s is already dead-ended. Not that MBUX is better but at least current. That said, I actually started digging the look of the car more with a drop and spacers. Even with that wing
The M8's are becoming permanent fixtures at dealers because the just don't look special enough for the money. At $18k off, 56% RV (7500miles) and 0.00128 they are at least an OK option. Nothing like the M5 where they just bumped up the residual on the 2020's... These BMW's should only be leased.
I can't get too excited about anything else in the line-up. We need an AWD and the next gen. models and engines are still too far away..
Are you sticking with the M5 or try a new RS6/7 or?
Whoa, 51 months? I think MBFS figured the monthly rate people are ok to pay for that car and then reverse-calculated the terms
The depreciation on all these cars is ridiculous. And some of the tech on the GT63s is already dead-ended. Not that MBUX is better but at least current. That said, I actually started digging the look of the car more with a drop and spacers. Even with that wing
The M8's are becoming permanent fixtures at dealers because the just don't look special enough for the money. At $18k off, 56% RV (7500miles) and 0.00128 they are at least an OK option. Nothing like the M5 where they just bumped up the residual on the 2020's... These BMW's should only be leased.
I can't get too excited about anything else in the line-up. We need an AWD and the next gen. models and engines are still too far away..
Are you sticking with the M5 or try a new RS6/7 or?
Honestly Im not sure what I want and I like just kinda sitting on the sidelines and waiting it out. I think the new RS7 will be strong with its more aggressive exterior; I dont stand a chance on the RS6 because I wont pay what the market will bear with its limited production but damn that car is good looking (to me). I just drove a 992 C4S and was shocked, yet again, at how Porsche can deliver the goods with much less hp. They just keeping improving an icon IMHO. Tomorrow Im going to my friends Benz store to drive the GT63S. I want to see what the hype is and compare to my departed E63S and current F90 M5.
Honestly Im not sure what I want and I like just kinda sitting on the sidelines and waiting it out. I think the new RS7 will be strong with its more aggressive exterior; I dont stand a chance on the RS6 because I wont pay what the market will bear with its limited production but damn that car is good looking (to me). I just drove a 992 C4S and was shocked, yet again, at how Porsche can deliver the goods with much less hp. They just keeping improving an icon IMHO. Tomorrow Im going to my friends Benz store to drive the GT63S. I want to see what the hype is and compare to my departed E63S and current F90 M5.
The Graphite Gray at Foothill? Please post your feedback on the car! To me it feels like a stronger somewhat more agile E63s, just with stupid pricing. Difficult to imagine that the car would have to be $200k to be equivalent to the ED1 E63s in terms of options.
I was on the list for a Taycan. But it's a first gen. EV, so leasing was the original plan. No interest getting stuck with a car of unknown reliability and value. Then the pricing was announced. Desired config at $206k. Too pricey. Then things went downhill from there... For the 36/15k the Turbo S Residual is supposed to be 37% . MF at .0030
Makes the incredible losses a Panny owner suffers look like a bargain...
If anyone is interested, my GT63S Ed1 with MSRP $200,495 is now for sale at the dealer with asking $159k.
Car has 40 miles only.
Wow that’s a steal for ED1 too. I would buy it if I was in a market for a GT63s. I wonder how many GT63s was sold in North America since they are giving huge discounts.
Wow that’s a steal for ED1 too. I would buy it if I was in a market for a GT63s. I wonder how many GT63s was sold in North America since they are giving huge discounts.
I agree.
I would never re-sell it back if I did not have the S63 with all the Renntech mods I did and the money I put in that car.
Besides, at this point the S is a better car for me then stock GT63S, I would need to invest another $30K to make it better (performance wise).
I sold that GT for $146K to them.
The S63 with 850HP is now plenty quick for me as a daily driver, I really don't see the need to get anything quicker at that point.
The Graphite Gray at Foothill? Please post your feedback on the car! To me it feels like a stronger somewhat more agile E63s, just with stupid pricing. Difficult to imagine that the car would have to be $200k to be equivalent to the ED1 E63s in terms of options.
I did a quick drive, maybe 5 miles:
Good launch but I feel my F90 is quicker
Ok 30-110 but again the F90 felt faster
Exhaust note was amazing, louder than my E63S and GTS
Handling was excellent, planted, no yaw or heavy rebound- the car feels smaller in this regard.
I had the drive mode in the most aggressive set up too. I think I need to drive it again but the heft on the car does hold it back. The handling was indeed what everyone raves about though. Im just not sure how much of a real world gap that difference would be for me. When I was done, I took my F90 on the same route to get an immediate comparo and the main thing for me was the throttle response and transmission reaction to my needs. BMW really has the TCU part of their ZF dialed IMHO. But in full disclosure when I first drove the F90 I was not entirely sold over my E63S so I waited a few days and went back. Re drove it and things were better. This is why I never take a car on the first drive whether it be great or not as great. Dont get me wrong, the GT63S was still an amazing first run but I need to give it another shot with more miles and longer open stretches.
12-08-2019, 07:47 AM
). I am also looking at the M8 Comp. With discounts they are roughly the same within $4k ($157k list) and lease for less. If they can get past the stop sale, that is...
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