CarHopper

Yeah, because "that guy" happens to know what he is actually talking about. Earlier in the thread he told us to standby as he was also doing some investigating on his own as he actually wants to truthfully say he made it to the 500whp club with no bs attached.

So, he went out, actually figured it out, and reported back with what we have experienced here for years and years... 500whp doesn't happen under a standard formula. We (I) like to be optimistic nowadays, sure, but at the end of the day facts are facts.

Kriston knows what he is talking about. "Everyone else" in this case happens to be an extremely small minority who doesn't.

BLKROKT

"That guy" happens to have more knowledge and practical hands-on experience about this platform and trying different means of getting to a true 500whp than you will ever have. I suggest looking up some of his posts, you might learn something.

mr747

this **** is funny

Schulminator

So here are my runs at Real Street Perf in Orlando. Car previously made 478whp at EC Orlando, since then I've added CF driveshaft, renntech CF airboxes & filters, and full tune up. The 500.45 run was the modified V6 tune with the additions noted above and the 511 run was a different tune from their V7 tune file I had received earlier. All on pump 93 oct.


Spoke with Jerry at length about this tune and he noted he's been using a combo of EC tuning and HP Tuners to unlock certain profiles that were not unlocked with the EC tune alone (maybe EC came chime in on that). Overall I'm happy with the way the car feels and runs with this current tune, with a few more mods coming soon.

mr747

It would be good if you went back to the same dyno instead of a new one and then you can justify figures

Anyhow eurocharged are killing it these days with pushing the m156 Props to Jerry

Schulminator

Agreed, but wanted to use an independent shop with more dyno experience.

Infiniti

Nope, no way. Nice try pal.

Kriston said it's not possible so these numbers aren't real.

I know that real st is a very reputable Supra shop but others have strongly suggested that they want to inflate your and my Mercedes numbers to keep us happy and coming back. Your graphs don't have A/F and every other possible condition on there.

Your run at EC Orlando of 478 is also crap cause the m156 with a healthy motor, bolt ons and a tune can't do that.

And if you go to the track and don't trap 127 in awful weather you're full of it!

You spoke at lengths with Jerry Springer? Isn't he a washed up tv talk show host?

If you want to run for money don't let me know.

chrisridebike8

I don't think anyone has disputed that. 460-480 whp is about what I have seen most C63s make on these forums with LTHs/ROWs/Tune. 478 is on the higher end but not an anomaly. IIRC, most people above 470 whp have some sort of custom tune (either remote dyno tuning or in person) instead of the normal off the shelf tune.

mr747

While i dont doubt what the boys at eurocharged are doing unless you go to the same dyno and re-run the car your argument is not valid different dyno different numbers

and trapping 135 LOL you will need another 150HP for that lol

604 C63

This thread be like:

JimGnitecki

What gear is a C63 normally dynoed in? (The x-axis on the dynochart above is in MPH versus rpm).

Jim G

JimGnitecki

I think there may be something wrong with this dyno chart.

It claims that at the ambient conditions shown on the chart, that the SAE correction factor is 1.03. That is not correct, I believe.

Per the standard SAE formulas for both SAE and STD correction:

SAE versus STD Dyno Correction Factors

Temperature 91.83
Bar Pressure 29.61
Humidity 47

SAE correction factor = 1.001034481
STD correction factor = 1.020322095
Percent STD vs SAE 1.019267682

Someone please check my math. I hope i am wrong.

Jim G

chrisridebike8

4th so you can reference against the baseline. If you used 5th (actual 1:1), you hit the 155 mph limiter before redline. So most people do 4th. My shop did a 5th gear pull at the end just for the hell of it. It was within 2 whp I think, but the car went 185 mph on the dyno. That seems pretty fast for my taste.

JimGnitecki

Yeah, that kind of speed is maybe ok on a highway where the tire is being cooled by the 185 mph wind, but not a good idea on a dyno where the only wind is the puny fan wind being directed at the engine compartment. Good way to overheat a tire and permanently weaken it.

Jim G

DavesMeanE's

Anyone having a shoe for lunch today

Thanks!

Dave

This unicorn is as real as it gets.

Jasonoff

For someone who represents a vendor, maybe you should conduct yourself in a more professional manor?

ritalin

Is this getting closer to release? At least i will verify with track times as well as dyno results...

BLKROKT

I'm all out of sneakers Dave, sorry. I'm right a lot, but also wrong a lot. It comes with the territory.

But would love to hear details about how you've supposedly pulled free hp out of a hat. That's usually what businesses do when they're trying to sell something that seems too-good-to-be-true. You know, be upfront and forthright - exactly what hasn't been done here which is why the thread has turned into a total ****show. That used to be one of the things I respected most about EC...

skratch77

All this proves is both dynos used are high reading dynos.

1.03cf

Kriston

EC did say that the new file may make more power on FL Cars. But that's 30+ WHP more than mine. I'm not doubting that there could be some extra power to be had.

Dave - I don't understand how you can say people should be eating shoes for lunch. That's a dumb *** comment. Telling you straight up that EC Toronto couldn't get any more power out of my car with the tune. Slav called me back and told me they have a revised version of the Beta, but I haven't loaded the updated file yet.

We all know "some" cars are putting some more power down, but how can you take this as the norm when others are not? I know of 2 other users here in Toronto with the file and it made very little if anything on their cars.

We gotta get these cars to a quarter mile run and see what they trap-post unicorn tune. Otherwise these dyno's are all over the place.

DavesMeanE's

I don't need to be inside of the bounds that "you" consider to be professional.... Have you ever heard the phrase:

"Respect gets Respect"

?

It's pretty clear that for people with keyboard skills and no "real" knowledge of these cars, engines, tuning, performance, etc... (just what they know form their SINGLE car, and the internet - LOLOLOL) seem to be the loudest and MOST obnoxious AND Disrespectful. The majority of this thread is a Shatshow

IF this was all a big charade - how would it benefit us??? Sell 10 unicorn tunes so that people can go dyno them and get nothing??? Then what? Our reputation is tarnished, and we loose the trust of our clients. You're not really that dumb eh? WE certainly are not...

My ENTIRE purpose here is to make these cars faster, and better. I also do quite a bit of FREE troubleshooting by going and looking for people on this site who have problems and trying to solve them over PM.

It is also my career, and has been for a long time. I trade my time and knowledge from money at the shop I own - using the hundreds of thousands of dollars of hand tools/equipment/special tools I have.

I can, and will have a bit of fun at all the circus clowns on here when it is appropriate...

Thanks

Dave

Rejoice is the opportunity to have more power and speed!

JimGnitecki

Wow. Have you ever taken a professional customer service course? This is not how pro business people speak to their customers.

If this is the introduction of a new better tune, it has been kind of poorly managed.

Jim G

604 C63

What a colossal circle jerk this thread is.

Show all your cards boys and let's move on to the next hand.

Jasonoff

I don't believe I myself have been disrespectful in this thread but that's besides the point. I have however asked you (who represents a vendor I have a tune from) a question twice which has still been unanswered.

Your conduct on this forum has been disrespectful and condescending which degrades the Eurocharged brand. I am not the only one who sees it either.

If I was new here, I would second guess a purchase from Eurocharged just from your conduct alone.

My suggestion still stands. Take it or leave it I guess.

Schulminator

Both runs when "uncorrected" are at 497 & 498.