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MBZ "recommends" Mobil 1. All of those others are just "approved". And yes, I agree that Mobil pays to be THE officially recommended oil for MBZ. Regardless, I don't give a crap what oil anyone uses in their cars. Fill your crankcase with Brylcreem for all I care.
Check the dictionary - I am sure it will explain the words for you.
Your link does not work. I assume something like this is what you were trying to post?
It clearly states "Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC recommends MOBIL OIL". It also states,
Engine oils and oil filters are specifically tested for their suitability in our engines and durability for our service intervals. Therefore, only use approved engine oils and oil filters required for vehicles with the Maintenance System. Conventional petroleum-based oils must not be used for vehicles equipped with the Mercedes-Benz Maintenance System.
The following cases are not covered by the Mercedes-Benz New Vehicle Limited Warranty:
* using engine oils and oil filters of specification other than those expressly
required for the Maintenance System.
* changing of oil and oil filter at change intervals longer than those called for by the Maintenance System.
* using any oil additives.
lol, it's like the waiter recommending the house wine or the seafood special
Except that the waiter in this case is Mercedes and you're some random guy online. Hmmm what to do what to do. On the one hand we have Mercedes and on the other Audi Junkie. Man...tough choice.
E Coupe C207, ML W166, ML W164, Sprinter 1500/144, W111 SB220 Fintail(s), A5 chassis Beetle 5+5
BZZT no mention of Mobil in the 2013 manual. You do go by the manual, right?
I have a new favourite oil: ASTRO BOY X-PRO 5W40
Wow, I missed a lot of oils the first time around....
Mercedes-Benz Genuine Engine Oil MB 229.5 x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
Mercedes-Benz PKW-Synthetic Motorenöl MB 229.5 x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
AMG High Performance Engine Oil x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
AMG High Performance Oil A0009898301BMG6 x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
MB 229.3/229.5 Motorenöl A 000 989 87 01 x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
MB 229.5 Motorenöl A 000 989 83 01 x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
77 MOTOR OIL MP 5W-40 x 77 Lubricants B.V. , DORDRECHT/THE NETHERLANDS
8100 X-cess MOTUL SAE 5W40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
ADDINOL ECO LIGHT x Addinol Lube Oil GmbH, Leuna/Deutschland
ADDINOL SUPER LIGHT 0540 x Addinol Lube Oil GmbH, Leuna/Deutschland
ADDINOL SUPER POWER MV 0537 x Addinol Lube Oil GmbH, Leuna/Deutschland
AeroShell Oil Diesel Ultra x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
AKTUAL FULLY SYNTH 5W-40 x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, VILLASTELLONE (Torino)/ITALY
Alpine RS 0W-40 x Mitan Mineralöl GmbH, Ankum/Deutschland
AMSOIL EUROPEAN CAR FORMULA Full SAPS 5W-40 x Amsoil Inc., Superior, Wisconsin/USA
ARAL HIGH TRONIC M SAE 5W-40 x Aral Aktiengesellschaft, Hamburg/Deutschland
ARAL SUPER TRONIC G x Aral Aktiengesellschaft, Hamburg/Deutschland
ARAL SuperSynth x Aral Aktiengesellschaft, Hamburg/Deutschland
arexons 3X B4 x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, VILLASTELLONE (Torino)/ITALY
Asahi Synthesis SN 5W-40 x Beijing Asahi Cliane Petrochemical Co. Ltd., Beijing/P. R. of CHINA
ASTRIS MAGIS SAE 5W-30 x Astris S.A., GIORNICO/Schweiz
ASTRO BOY X-PRO 5W40 x Kawada Holdings Co. Ltd., Hong Kong/HONG KONG
ATLANTIC SYNTHECH ULTRA SUPER 5W-30 x Atlantic Grease & Lubricants FZC, Sharjah/UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
ATLANTIC SYNTHECH ULTRA SUPER 5W-40 x Atlantic Grease & Lubricants FZC, Sharjah/UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Austro Engine Aero x Liqui Moly GmbH, Ulm/Deutschland
AVENO FS Excellence 0W-40 x Deutsche Ölwerke Lubmin GmbH, Lubmin/Deutschland
AVENO FS Select 5W-30 x Deutsche Ölwerke Lubmin GmbH, Lubmin/Deutschland
AVIA Dynetic-HS 5W-40 x Avia Mineralöl-AG, München/Deutschland
AVIA SPS PLUS x AVIA Genossenschaft Schmierstoffe, ZÜRICH/Schweiz
AVIASYNTH 5W-40 x Avia Mineralöl-AG, München/Deutschland
AVIATICON UNIQUE DC 5W-30 x Finke Mineralölwerk GmbH, Visselhövede/Deutschland
Biloxxi 5W-30 x MCC Trading Deutschland GmbH, Düsseldorf/Deutschland
BIZOL T TECHNOLOGY 5W-40 x Bita Trading GmbH, Berlin/Deutschland
Blasol PSP 5W40 x Blaser Swisslube AG, Hasle-Rüegsau/Schweiz
Blaze Racing HTP x Petron Corporation, Mandaluyong City/PHILIPPINES
bp superV Plus 5W-40 x BP p.l.c., LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
bp Visco 5000 5W-30 x BP p.l.c., LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE 0W-30 A3/B4 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Edge 0W-40 A3/B4 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE 5W-30 A3/B4 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Edge 5W-40 A3/B4 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE Professional A3 0W-30 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE Professional A3 0W-40 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Edge Professional A3 5W-30 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE PROFESSIONAL A3 5W-40 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE Supercar 0W-40 A3/B4 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Magnatec Professional A3 5W-40 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol MAGNATEC STOP-START 5W-30 A3/B4 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol MAGNATEC STOP-START 5W-40 A3/B4 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
CEPSA AVANT 5W40 SYNT x CEPSA Comercial Petróleo, S.A.U., Madrid/SPAIN
CEPSA GENUINE 5W40 SYNTHETIC x CEPSA Comercial Petróleo, S.A.U., Madrid/SPAIN
CHAMPION ECO FLOW 0W40 FE x Champion Chemicals N.V., BELGIUM/BELGIUM
CHAMPION LIFE EXTENSION 5W40 HM x Champion Chemicals N.V., BELGIUM/BELGIUM
CHARGER XTREEM x Bahrain Petroleum Company, Awali/KINGDOM of BAHRAIN
Chevron Havoline Pro DS Full Synthetic x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
Chevron Havoline Synthetic Motor Oil x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
CONCEP-TECH CX 5W-40 x Swd Lubricants GmbH & Co. KG, Duisburg/Deutschland
CONCEP-TECH VS 0W-40 x Swd Lubricants GmbH & Co. KG, Duisburg/Deutschland
CYCLON MAGMA SYN ULTRA x LPC S.A., Aspropyrgos/GREECE
Divinol syntholight 0W40 x Zeller+Gmelin GmbH & Co. KG, Eislingen/Deutschland
Divinol syntholight MBX SAE 5W-30 x Zeller+Gmelin GmbH & Co. KG, Eislingen/Deutschland
Divinol syntholight Top 5W-40 x Zeller+Gmelin GmbH & Co. KG, Eislingen/Deutschland
EKO MEGATRON SYNTHETIC 5W-30 x Hellenic Fuels and Lubricants Industrial and Commercial SA (EKO ABEE), Marousi, Athens/GREECE
ELAION F50 plus x YPF S.A. Lubricantes & Especialidades, Buenos Aires/ARGENTINA
ELF Evolution 900 FT 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
ELF Evolution 900 FT 0W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
ELF Evolution 900 FT 5W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
eni i-Sint 0W-40 x ENI S.p.A. - Refining & Marketing Division, ROM/ITALY
eni i-Sint PC 4AM 5W-30 x Eni S.p.A., Refining & Marketing Division, ROME/ITALY
eni i-Sint PC 4AM 5W-40 x ENI S.p.A. - Refining & Marketing Division, ROM/ITALY
ENOC PROTEC X-TREME 5W-40 x ENOC International Sales L.L.C., DUBAI/UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
EUROLUB SYNT M 5W/40 x EUROLUB GmbH, Eching/Deutschland
Fastroil Premium Plus SAE 5W-40 x HILL Corporation, Shymkent/KAZAKHSTAN
Fastron GOLD x PERTAMINA , Jakarta/INDONESIA
Feu Vert 5W40 100% SYNTHÈSE x Feu Vert, ECULLY CEDEX/FRANCE
FK EURO 0W-40 x BAN HON INTERNATIONAL CO., LTD., Lukang Township, Changhua County/TAIWAN R.O.C.
FK EURO 5W-40 x BAN HON INTERNATIONAL CO., LTD., Lukang Township, Changhua County/TAIWAN R.O.C.
Fuchs TITAN Supersyn 229.5 SAE 5W-40 x FUCHS PETROLUB SE, Mannheim/Deutschland
FUCHS TITAN Supersyn Hi-TBN SAE 5W-40 x FUCHS PETROLUB SE, Mannheim/Deutschland
Fuchs TITAN Supersyn LONGLIFE 5W-40 x Fuchs Petrolub AG, Mannheim/Deutschland
Fuchs TITAN Supersyn LONGLIFE SAE 0W-30 x Fuchs Petrolub AG, Mannheim/Deutschland
Fuchs TITAN Supersyn LONGLIFE SAE 0W-40 x Fuchs Petrolub AG, Mannheim/Deutschland
G-Energy F Synth 5W-30 x Gazpromneft-Lubricants LTD, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
G-Energy F Synth 5W-40 x Gazpromneft-Lubricants LTD, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
GALP FORMULA ENERGY 0W40 x Petróleos de Portugal, Petrogal S.A, Lissabon/PORTUGAL
GALP FORMULA ENERGY 5W40 x Petróleos de Portugal, Petrogal S.A, Lissabon/PORTUGAL
GALP FORMULA M-FS 5W40 x Petróleos de Portugal, Petrogal S.A, Lissabon/PORTUGAL
GAZPROMNEFT PREMIUM N 5W-40 x Gazpromneft-Lubricants LTD, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
GEP Rayspeed Economy 5W-40 x Lubritech Limited, Jiangmen/P. R. of CHINA
GEP Rayspeed Syntherm 0W-40 x Lubritech Limited, Jiangmen/P. R. of CHINA
Gulf Formula GMX x Gulf Oil International, London/ENGLAND
Gulf Formula GX x x x x Gulf Oil International, London/ENGLAND
GulfTEC EURO SAE5W-40 Full Synthetic x Reliance Fluid Technologies LLC, Niagara Falls/USA
HI-REV 9140 API SN x POSIM Petroleum Marketing SND BHD, Shah Alam/MALAYSIA
HIGH STAR SAE 5W-40 x Addinol Lube Oil GmbH, Leuna/Deutschland
IDEMITSU ZEPRO EURO SPEC x Idemitsu Kosan Co., Ltd., Tokyo/JAPAN
INA Ultra Sint 5W-30 x INA MAZIVA Ltd., Zagreb/CROATIA
INFINITI MOTOR OIL 5W-40 x Idemitsu Kosan Co., Ltd., Tokyo/JAPAN
IPIRANGA F1 MASTER SINTETICO 5W30 229.5 x IPIRANGA PRODUTOS PETRÓLEO S.A, Rio de Janeiro/BRAZIL
JB GERMAN OIL Longlife P-5 5W-40 x JB German Oil, Wittenburg/Deutschland
Kendall GT-1 FULL SYNTHETIC EURO SAE 5W-40 x Phillips 66 Company, Bartlesville, OK/USA
KunLun TianRun 5W-40 x PetroChina Lubricant Company, Beijing/P. R. of CHINA
KunLun TianRun KR9-T x PetroChina Lubricant Company, Beijing/P. R. of CHINA
LIQUI MOLY 5W-30 Leichtlauf High Tech LL x Liqui Moly GmbH, Ulm/Deutschland
LIQUI MOLY 5W-40 LEICHTLAUF HIGH TECH x Liqui Moly GmbH, Ulm/Deutschland
LIQUI MOLY Optimal Synth x Liqui Moly GmbH, Ulm/Deutschland
LIQUI MOLY PRO-ENGINE M900 x Liqui Moly GmbH, Ulm/Deutschland
LIQUI MOLY Special Tec LL x Liqui Moly GmbH, Ulm/Deutschland
Liquid Gold SYN-FLO LS x NSL OilChem Trading Pte Ltd, Singapore/SINGAPORE
longrun LONGT ULTRA x Beijing LongRunKaiDa PEC Product Company Ltd. , Beijing/P. R. of CHINA
LOTOS SYNTHETIC PLUS SAE 5W40 x Grupa Lotos SA., GDANSK/POLAND
LubriGold Full Synthetic 5W-40 x Warren Oil Company, Inc., WEST MEMPHIS, AR 72303-2048/USA
LUKOIL GENESIS 5W-30 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL GENESIS 5W-40 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL GENESIS ARMORTECH 5W-40 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL GENESIS POLAR 0W-30 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL GENESIS POLAR 0W-40 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL GENESIS POLARTECH 0W-40 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL GENESIS SPECIAL 5W-40 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL GENESIS SPECIAL POLAR 0W-30 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL GENESIS SPECIAL POLAR 0W-40 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL LUXE SPECIAL 5w-40 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL LUXE SYNTHETIC 5W-40 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
mabanol Xenon Alpha Stellar 5W-40 x Mabanol GmbH & Co. KG, Hamburg/Deutschland
MAG PRIMA EXTREME SAE 5W30 API SN x MAG LUBE L.L.C., Dubai/UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
master oil v-tec Premium 0W-40 x Interparts Autoteile GmbH, Stuttgart/Deutschland
megol Motorenoel High Condition x Meguin GmbH & Co. KG Mineraloelwerke, Saarlouis/Deutschland
megol Motorenoel Quality x Meguin GmbH & Co. KG Mineraloelwerke, Saarlouis/Deutschland
Midland synqron 0W-40 x Oel-Brack AG, HUNZENSCHWIL/Schweiz
miocar MX Syntra 5W-40 x Migros Genossenschafts Bund, Zürich/Schweiz
MISR PHOENIX x Misr Petroleum Co., Cairo/EGYPT
Mobil 1 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, Spring, Texas/USA
Mobil 1 Formula 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 Formula M 5W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, Spring, Texas/USA
Mobil 1 FS 0W-30 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 FS 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 FS 5W-30 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 New Life 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, Spring, Texas/USA
Mobil SHC Formula M 5W-30 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, Spring, Texas/USA
Mobil SUPER 3000 FORMULA M 0W-30 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil Super 3000 Formula M 5W-30 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil Super 3000 Formula M 5W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil Super 3000 X3 5W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil Super 3000 X4 5W-30 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil Super Formula M 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil Super Formula M 5W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Motor Oil MBP 5W-40 x Transnational Blenders B.V., BG DORDRECHT/THE NETHERLANDS
MOTOREX PROFILE M-XL 5W/40 x Bucher AG Langenthal, LANGENTHAL/Schweiz
MOTOREX TOPAZ SAE 5W/30 x Bucher AG Langenthal, LANGENTHAL/Schweiz
MOTOREX XPERIENCE FS-X SAE 0W/40 x Bucher AG Langenthal, LANGENTHAL/Schweiz
Motorsynth Ultra 5W-40 x Delek Industries Ltd., Lod/ISRAEL
MOTUL 8100 X-cess 5W-40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
MOTUL 8100 X-max 0W-40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
MOTUL 8100 X-MAX 0W30 12XIL x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
MOTUL EXPERT M 5W-40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
MOTUL H-TECH Prime SAE 5W40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
MOTUL J-01 Street 5W-40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
NATIONAL SPEEDX MAGNUM 5W/40 x Technolube LLC, Dubai/UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Neste City Pro LL 5W-30 x Neste Markkinointi Oy, NESTE OIL/FINLAND
Nordlub V-Synto HM x NORDLUB Deutschland GmbH, Buxtehude/Deutschland
OEST GIGANT SPEZIAL SAE 5W-40 x Georg Oest Mineralölwerk GmbH & Co KG, Freudenstadt/Deutschland
OMV BIXXOL premium NT SAE 5W-40 x Prista Oil Holding EAD, RUSE/BULGARIA
PAZ Extreme PS 5W-40 x Paz Lubricants & Chemicals Ltd., HAIFA 31000/ISRAEL
Pennzoil Platinum Euro x x x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Pennzoil Ultra Euro x x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
PENRITE HPR 5 5W-40 x Penrite Oil Company Pty Ltd, DANDENONG/AUSTRALIA
PENTO HIGH PERFORMANCE 5W-30 x FUCHS PETROLUB SE, Mannheim/Deutschland
Pentosynth R 5W-40 x FUCHS PETROLUB SE, Mannheim/Deutschland
Performa Synthetic x PTT Public Company Limited, Chatuchak, BANGKOK 10900/THAILAND
Petromin Supersyn plus 5W40 x Petromin Oils, Jeddah/SAUDI ARABIA
PETRONAS Syntium 3000 E x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, VILLASTELLONE (Torino)/ITALY
PETRONAS Syntium 3000 E 5W-40 x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, KUALA LAMPUR/MALAYSIA
PETRONAS SYNTIUM 7000 x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, VILLASTELLONE (Torino)/ITALY
PHOENIX PXXTREME POWER 5W40 LL01 x Phoenix Lubricants Pty Ltd, Victoria/AUSTRALIA
Power Oil Syntec 0W-40 Racing x Power Oil e.K., Karlsfeld/Deutschland
Prista Ultra 5W-40 x Prista Oil Holding EAD, RUSE/BULGARIA
PULSAR CR x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, VILLASTELLONE (Torino)/ITALY
Pzl Platinum European Formula Ultra x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Q8 Formula Excel Long Life 5W-40 x Kuwait National Petroleum Company, Kuwait/KUWAIT
QS Ultimate Durability European x x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
RAVENOL HCL SAE 5W-30 x Ravensberger Schmierstoffvertrieb GmbH, Werther/Deutschland
RAVENOL SSL 0W-40 Fullsynth CleanSynto x Ravensberger Schmierstoffvertrieb GmbH, Werther/Deutschland
RAVENOL SSO SAE 0W-30 x Ravensberger Schmierstoffvertrieb GmbH, Werther/Deutschland
RAVENOL VST VOLLSYNTH TURBO 5W-40 x Ravensberger Schmierstoffvertrieb GmbH, Werther/Deutschland
real,- Quality GSR 5W-30 x real,- Handels GmbH, Düsseldorf/Deutschland
REPSOL ELITE Common Rail 5W30 x REPSOL LUBRICANTES Y ESPECIALIDADES, S.A., MOSTOLES (Madrid)/SPAIN
REPSOL ELITE COSMOS HIGH PERFORMANCE x REPSOL LUBRICANTES Y ESPECIALIDADES, S.A., MOSTOLES (Madrid)/SPAIN
ROLF GT SAE 5W-40 API SN/CF x ROLF Lubricants GmbH, Leverkusen/Deutschland
ROWE HIGHTEC SYNT RS HC-D SAE 5W-40 x ROWE Mineralölwerk GmbH, Worms/Deutschland
Sasol Engine Oil Synthetic M 5W-40 x Sasol Oil (Pty) Ltd, RANDBURG/REPUBLIC of SOUTHAFRICA
Seanon YN9 SN 5W40 Gasoline Engine Oil x Seanon Petrochemical Co.,Ltd, Liuzhou/P. R. of CHINA
Shell Helix HX8 C x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra x x x x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra Diesel x x x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra E x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra Professional AB x x x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra Professional ABB x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
SHIELD EURO-TECH x Phillips 66 Company, Bartlesville, OK/USA
Sinopec Justar J700U x Lubricant Company, Sinopec Corp., Beijing/P. R. of CHINA
SINOPEC 229.5 5W-40 x Lubricant Company, Sinopec Corp., Beijing/P. R. of CHINA
Sinopec Justar A3/B4-Y x Lubricant Company, Sinopec Corp., Beijing/P. R. of CHINA
Sinopec Justar J700F-Y-a x Lubricant Company, Sinopec Corp., Beijing/P. R. of CHINA
SPC SYN ACE SUPREME API SN x Singapore Petroleum Company Limited, SINGAPORE/SINGAPORE
Specialsynth G Gold 5W40 x PHI OIL GmbH, St. Georgen bei Salzburg/Österreich
SRS ViVA 1 ecosynth plus x SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb GmbH, Salzbergen/Deutschland
SRS ViVA 1 Longlife x SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb GmbH, Salzbergen/Deutschland
SRS ViVA 1 topsynth plus x SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb GmbH, Salzbergen/Deutschland
Statoil SUPERWAY 5W-40 x FUCHS PETROLUB SE, Mannheim/Deutschland
Svelt EURO 5W-40 x Japan Sun Oil Co..LTD, Tokyo/JAPAN
Swd Rheinol Primus CVS 5W-40 x Swd Lubricants GmbH & Co. KG, Duisburg/Deutschland
Swd Rheinol Primus CVS SAE 5W-30 x Swd Lubricants GmbH & Co. KG, Duisburg/Deutschland
Swd Rheinol Primus VS SAE 0W-40 x Swd Lubricants GmbH & Co. KG, Duisburg/Deutschland
SYNTHETIC POWER SAE 5W-40 x Alexandros Badas & SIA EE, Kiparrisi Lokridos/GREECE
TAMOIL SINT FUTURE PRESTIGE SAE 0W-30 x Tamoil Italia S.p.A., MILANO/ITALY
TAMOIL SINT FUTURE RACING x Tamoil Italia S.p.A., MILANO/ITALY
TD6201155 x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, VILLASTELLONE (Torino)/ITALY
TESLA POLARIS FS 1120 SAE 5W 40 x Tesla Technoproducts FZE, DUBAI/UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Texaco Havoline Synthetic x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
Texaco Havoline Ultra x x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
Tor Hypersynth D 5W40 x De Oliebron, ZWIJNDRECHT/THE NETHERLANDS
TOTACHI PRO TOURING M 5W-40 x Totachi Industrial Co., Ltd, Japan, OTARU/JAPAN
Total Quartz 9000 Energy 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz 9000 Energy 0W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz 9000 Energy RQ 5W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
TRIATHLON FORMULA LL x Adolf Würth GmbH & Co. KG, Künzelsau/Deutschland
Triathlon Premium SAE 5W-40 x Würth International Trading (Shanghai) Co., Ltd., Shanghai/P. R. of CHINA
Valvoline Advanced HST 5W-40 x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
Valvoline DURABlend MXL 5W-40 x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
Valvoline SynPower 0W-40 x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
Valvoline SynPower 5W-30 x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
Valvoline SynPower SAE 5W-40 x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
Veedol Powertron Extra 5W-40 x Veedol International Limited, Glasgow/UNITED KINGDOM
VENOL SYNTHESIS HC-EC GOLD ACTIVE SAE 5W-40 x VENOL Motor Oil GmbH, Frankfurt (Oder)/Deutschland
WAVE POWER MBP 5W-40 x North Sea Lubricants B.V., LV ALPHEN aan den RIJN/THE NETHERLANDS
Westfalen Gigatron 0W-40 x Westfalen AG, Münster/Deutschland
WMTEC MOTORENÖL SAE 5W-30 MF x WM SE, Osnabrück/Deutschland
WOLF ECOTECH 0W40 FE x Wolf Oil Corporation N.V., HEMIKSEM/BELGIUM
WOLF EXTENDTECH 5W40 HM x Wolf Oil Corporation N.V., HEMIKSEM/BELGIUM
YACCO VX 1000 LL SAE 5W-40 x Yacco SAS, ST PIERRE LES ELBEUF/FRANCE
YACCO VX1000 LL 0W40 x Yacco SAS, ST PIERRE LES ELBEUF/FRANCE
ZHONG HUA 1 SN 0W/40 x Beijing Zhonghua Petrochemical Stock Co., Ltd., Beijing/P. R. of CHINA
ZHONGHUA 5000# Synthetic Motor Oil x Beijing Zhonghua Petrochemical Stock Co., Ltd., Beijing/P. R. of CHINA
ZIC X9 5W-30 x SK Lubricants. Co., LTD., DAEJEON/Rep. of KOREA
ZIC X9 5W-40 x SK Lubricants. Co., LTD., DAEJEON/Rep. of KOREA
We understand that Mobil pay MB a large amount of money to be their recommendation.
We understand that there are oils that might be better suited for varying conditions.
However unlike you, we are sticking to our maintenance schedule, and almost always have done, and thus are able to use either Mobil, OR any of the approved oils, (I use a 229.51 approved Fuchs Titan oil, as it's cheap), and we can do so, knowing it is NOT having a detrimental affect on our engines.
Perhaps if we were as passionate about oil as you are, we could dedicate our down-time to learning about the merits of different oils, and their specific pros and cons. However many of us choose to spend our time doing other things, that are of greater interest to ourselves.
You clearly have some knowledge surrounding oils, and yes that may have been dismissed, in a somewhat unnecessarily harsh manner, but when you walk on by a person preaching in the street, rambling on, repeating the same things over and over, with big signs and illegible content, do you take that man's word as gospel? Or do you simply dismiss that person as a crazy-person, and take your facts from a source to which you can be confident about?
The important message you need to realise, which surely if you are as observant about oil specifications, as you are other's posts...
... Everyone can see you're passionate about oils, but these INCESSANT posts are excessive, and ultimately dilute any worthwhile message that you many have projected into this thread. It makes you seem like a fanatical jerk.
If you have an issue with Mercedes' recommendations, approvals et al, it is not us with whom you have a problem, it is the way the world works, take it up with Mercedes.
On top of what EVERYONE has mentioned yes there are better oils. No one is disputing that you should only be using OIL BRAND X. I run Motul in my STi, and my Daytona 675's. LOVE that oil. If I was a young kid and didn't know it was oil I'd drink it since it looks like cherry ice-cream sauce...it's so awesome.
On my ranger and wife's Toyota I use Valvoline high mileage synthetic/dino blend.
On the Merc I used Mobil 1. It comes down to what I can get the majority of the time without being a super huge inconvenience for my time (my time is the most valuable thing I have). I can go to Walmart and get both the Valvoline and the Mobil 1 for three of our vehicles. The Motul I have to order online. It's not a big deal most of the time, but it's nice being able to walk into a store, get the oil and leave.
On top of that most of the time Mobil 1 has a rebate on their oil each year. That's a huge plus to me because what would normally cost me $50-60 to buy the oil only costs me $20 for 2 gallons... so for $30 a year (fleece filter) I'm changing the oil pretty cheaply in the Merc (which does NOT see 10k miles) considering the cost of our other lesser vehicles. The Valvoline is $17 a gallon...also cheap.
My whole point with all this is the majority of us who are even asking the question about oil or when it should be done are already leaps and bounds ahead of people that take their car to "Jiffy lube" or people that don't even do maintenance. I had a friend that used to work at Jiffy Lube and being 100% honest with me told me horror stories about the **** they used to do or he has seen. If you think you are getting special oil at those places, you are not. Do you think those owners even know or ask? Nope. They go, get their oil done and then drive away.
My wife prior to me meeting her was one of those people. She would take her car into the car place only when they had the special price oil for $20 or something like that. She still looks at me like I'm nuts when I say I need to put XYZ in this car but then put ABC in the other car.... she doesn't understand that it's not all the same as with MOST people.
There's good information here with all the posts but the back and forth crap is not only tiring to see but just as Ben noted above takes credit away from actual information being posted in the thread that is useful.
We can all agree to disagree on oil. Just change it regularly...lol We had a family friend who had an older Merc who NEVER fully changed the oil. Just continued to add oil as it burned oil and he would change the filter every two years or when he remembered. The thing had 300k+ miles on it before he gave it to his kid to drive for another couple years. Not saying that is the right thing to do but makes ya wonder on people's thought process...lol
Only TRUE way to fully understand what is happening is trying out an oil then sending it out to Blackstone to have them analyze it. From there you can figure out to change it sooner/later or even try a different brand, and then go through the process gain until you are satisfied with the results...etc.
-Nigel
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Alright, MST is the diesel engine oil, which is fine. It also carries all of the important gasoline Euro specs:
Approvals
BMW LL-04
MB-Approval 229.51
Porsche A40
Renault RN0700/0710
VW 50200/50500/50501
GM Dexos 2 GB2E0310103
Performance levels
ACEA C3
API: SM, SN/CF
Ford WSS-M2C917-A
Recommended for use where Fiat
9.55535.S2 is specified.
With that in mind, it's no different than other quality 5w-40 but I believe it's not super-high additive levels, like Mobil 1 ESP. Those oils are fine, but don't use it for extended drains past 10k.
"Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
afaik, it's a good oil. Didn't Jag get a good result with it in his home deposit test?
I did not do any tests on the current 5W-40 MST Synpower. Around 2003 I tested 5W-40 Synpower which at the time was not a low or mid-SAPS oil. It was more like the current HST version. It was slightly more volatile than Mobil 1 0W-40 purchased around the same time. They both performed similarly in the type of deposit test I did but Mobil 1 0W-40 left slightly less deposits. M1 0W-40 has changed formulation since then and I suspect the Synpower I tested is not identical to the current HST version."
Reading up at Bob's....it is a low saps oil. I want to tall you to use it, but I think there are better choices for a gas engine. It would be helpful to know if we get fuel dilution in the oil, which is a deal-killer with low saps oil.
If you have access to Rotella or Delo 5w-40, I personally would prefer that. I think Mobil 1 High Miles is going to be the way to go in most cases. I have a stash of M1 0w-40 here for my turbos, they need the good cold flow. The HighMiles has high additive levels, unrestricted by European environmental regs, API limits on additive levels etc.
If you go with Mobil 1 HM get a jug of each 10w-40 and a 5w-30, 10 quarts then decide how you will portin them. Summer, use the whole 10w-40 and top it off with 5w-30, do the opposite in winter.
Let us know if this is an option, I guarantee it is the best oil for old Euro cars.
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Originally Posted by sailorben
Man...
However unlike you, we are sticking to our maintenance schedule,
Ben
So, you're sticking to 13k changes? The maximum distance? Why, is it too expensive to change too often?
This is what I say, that 2 changes of good 10w-40 works better than Mobil 1 at it's max change interval.
No, it's not smart or clever to max out the distance between oil changes, that has NEVER proven to be optimal. Using an oil made just for Euro regulations, mpg and colder climates isn't ideal either.
You can rationalize it however you want, but 13k changes isn't going to get the best result....period. It's not even the best oil, what would you expect???
Alright, MST is the diesel engine oil, which is fine. It also carries all of the important gasoline Euro specs:
Approvals
BMW LL-04
MB-Approval 229.51
Porsche A40
Renault RN0700/0710
VW 50200/50500/50501
GM Dexos 2 GB2E0310103
Performance levels
ACEA C3
API: SM, SN/CF
Ford WSS-M2C917-A
Recommended for use where Fiat
9.55535.S2 is specified.
With that in mind, it's no different than other quality 5w-40 but I believe it's not super-high additive levels, like Mobil 1 ESP. Those oils are fine, but don't use it for extended drains past 10k.
I live in Lebanon where even the dealership, who is the exclusive distributor for Fuchs Titan SuperSyn, does oil changes every 5,000 km (3,100) miles. They claim that this is due to the dust content in the air and the uphill driving cars do here due to elevation.
I once used their Fuchs Titan SuperSyn for 10,000 Km (6200 miles) and it came out very junky that I never did it again. And that was expensive oil.
Since then I either buy Rottweil oil from Germany 5W-40 or recently the Valvoline and do an oil and filter every 6000 km (3700 miles).
This is much cheaper for me: $54 vs $80 for a 229.5 oil which didn't last 10,000 km. Unfortunately, we don't have Mobil 1 here!
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I understand about the sand. I recommend against messing with the air filter too much, it dumps dirt into the engine when it's changed. Maybe try some pantyhose over the filters to keep them clean. Maybe remove the pantyhose after 10k miles and run another 10k without them.
If you're changing oil every 3000-5000 miles, in your climate, just use a 15w-40 diesel engine oil....period. If you see a 10w-40 you like, ok too. Trust me these engines only need synth if you don't want to change it until 10k miles....or have cold starts FAR below freezing.
The oils you used that came out dirty, that's a good thing, it's cleaning out the engine.
15w-40....trust me.
Also, forget miles, do changes on a timed basis, either once or twice a year after 6 months. If you do 6 months, just leave the old oil filter in for another 6 months, 5000 miles.
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So, you're sticking to 13k changes? The maximum distance? Why, is it too expensive to change too often?
This is what I say, that 2 changes of good 10w-40 works better than Mobil 1 at it's max change interval.
No, it's not smart or clever to max out the distance between oil changes, that has NEVER proven to be optimal. Using an oil made just for Euro regulations, mpg and colder climates isn't ideal either.
You can rationalize it however you want, but 13k changes isn't going to get the best result....period. It's not even the best oil, what would you expect???
In Europe, and the U.K., the service schedule is actually variable at <17,000 mile intervals on my 2007. I will do it whenever the variable service counter calls for it, or annually (for ease of planning when to do it, during the Easter break from University), whichever comes first. Bear in mind a capacity of 6.5L, for an I4.
The U.K is a cool climate, rarely getting below -5C and rarely getting above 25C, so the oil is actually quite apt for my climate.
The car has a history showing that's what the car has had all its life. It's now on almost 150,000 miles. It doesn't consume any oil, with the oil sensor showing the exact same volume before and after servicing. Exhaust smells good, and is visibly perfectly clean, (I have the exhaust smoke tests if you care for it) and that's in a non-DPF diesel. I can attain 63mpg on a run. The engine itself is pretty clean also, no noticeable sludge, or carbon deposit. The engine ran just a smooth and quiet at 16,000miles as it did after I had serviced it.
Why don't I change it more regularly? Because I don't need to, and my time is valuable.
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sailorben: Interpret these if you will please, Fuchs XTL GT1 Proflex, acea C3, RELATIVE to your highly recommended Mobil1 high mileage, at 5W30.
The Mobil 1 is a little thicker at operating temp, and a good deal thicker in cold.
Fuchs is an excellent brand. Their Titan 0w-20 they guarantee in ANY engine.
Without a look at the elemental analysis, I can't tell you much about the additive formulation...but if the Fuch's is mid to low SAPS, a low additive oil, it's not likely to work well with our North American alcohol and sulphur gas. With a rich tune, the oil gets drenched in fuel during idling and short trip driving. With low additives, the oil is permanently damaged physically and chemically. That makes a big difference with long-term wear control and deposit control.
I would say both are good, but the M1 HM is better suited to North American petrol driving. It has higher additive levels than allowed by the newest "green" specs, it carries an older API SL spec that allows higher levels. You'll find that in a few cases, and is a very good thing.
Mind you, Pump Dusse or other diesel applications are very picky with oil specs, that's someplace I wouldnt' mess around. So there, the Fuch's is an obvious choice.
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I covered the case where an original owner drives the max interval on spec oil and is happy.
For one, I am not the orig owner, it's a 60k 10 year old car that was underserviced. Doing nothing more than spec oil service at max interval is NOT going to improve the engine cleanliness. It would be in fact kind of dumb to fret about specs then service it in a way that does no good.
Second thing, the guy above, the 150k orig owner really has no idea the condition of the engine. Wear, deposits and the appropriateness of their service interval....they are just guessing based on general mfg guidelines. imo, it would very much be a good thing to mix up the service plan a bit....but since he is "too busy" to pop the hood, it's better for them to engage in wishful thinking. Many a engines die this slow death. 10 minutes with the extractor and $35 in oil would improve the overall service plan....but no. What happens when a PCV valve gets clogged or a breather or vacuum hose cracks? The engine will cake full of sludge in a year or two....easy. Like I said these by-the-book owners are clueless.
Does anyone consider the "severe service" caution in the manual? Most drivers fall under this class. Without looking, it means to shorten the oil change interval substantially. I wouldn't be going over 7500 miles a change, an easy 6 month interval plan....how hard is that?
Another thing, the friction modifier additives in oil wear out. That's why the engine feels slick and smooth after a change. Why someone wouldn't want this benefit plus dumping out the contaminates???
Sure, a mild climate like UK, someone driving exclusively long duration trips...with spec oil CAN go long intervals....but "why"? These are expensive cars intended for 20-25+ year operating life...someone wants to f it up over a few dollars and 10 minutes....not smart. Most often when we hear from these guys, they are in a selective-choice bias mode where they only want to justify the choices they already made, never hear or learn anything that contradicts it. It's part of their own psychology and their background, usually compliant and cheap....like the person leasing an expensive car and won't add oil or change it...this way of servicing already suits their mentality, bias and preconceptions.
It reminds me of my female friends lawyer husband. He bought her a new BMW for short driving downtown in Boston, a horrible place to own a car. As I was explaining the widespread VANOS sludge problems with the 15k intervals using the awesome Castrol BMW 5w-30, and how we can avert it with an extractor change of (ideally cheap 15w-40 to get through the summers) he interrupted me to extort: "if anything goes wrong, I'll sue BMW". Even though I was done with it at that second, I said that it seems easier to change oil a handful of extra times than to sue BMW. Their car fell apart and ran poorly, getting like $3k trade in.
I can't help people who don't want to be helped. If someone wants to drive around with old half-shot oil instead of fresh clean oil, and all the benefits of that....it's not my problem.
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