SL/R230: Out with the 2005 SL600, in with the 2006 Aston Martin Vanquish S
04-10-2005, 03:49 PM
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Hey all,
Lets not get into our personal life and finances and trying to disapprove someone.
Lets enjoy the forum.
By the way, I only have two cars and I got rid of my Yukon Denail, because I was killing it by not driving it. If you do not put more than 10 miles a week on your car on a single trip, your car will die of a slow death.
Lets not get into our personal life and finances and trying to disapprove someone.
Lets enjoy the forum.
By the way, I only have two cars and I got rid of my Yukon Denail, because I was killing it by not driving it. If you do not put more than 10 miles a week on your car on a single trip, your car will die of a slow death.
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04-10-2005, 03:57 PM
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Some advice
Not sure how many cars you have owned LovinSL600, but having read back through your trials and travails on the SL600, you seem like a demanding guy, which is your right of course. It does seem as though, at times, you have been very passionate about your SL600. If details bother you as much as they seem to, it seems unlikely that any interesting car is likely to hold onto this passion consistently. Therefore, my advice is to own as many cars as you have space for and drive each according to mood. Another idea would be to hire a person to deal with the details of your vehicles so that you don't have to be frustrated by them.
Having owned 106 cars myself, I can honestly say that the SL600 is my favorite, but I enjoy driving my diesel almost as much in the right circumstances.
Hard to argue with your choice of wines as Bordeaux's are my favorite as well.
Having owned 106 cars myself, I can honestly say that the SL600 is my favorite, but I enjoy driving my diesel almost as much in the right circumstances.
Hard to argue with your choice of wines as Bordeaux's are my favorite as well.
04-10-2005, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by LovinSL600
As for the wines, I understand. I have 2000 plus bottles in my celler and a collection that could pay for several SL600's.
Personally, my all time favorites are the French Bordeaux's from the 80's
Personally, my all time favorites are the French Bordeaux's from the 80's
I would visit the serive dept and chat with a few Aston owners just to make sure the service is as good as the sales and marketing experience.
Speaking of French Bordeaux's, what do you think of a 67 Chateau Gran Latour? we were given one as a gift years back, its been properly stored so is it still good?
Rgds,
04-10-2005, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LovinSL600
Thank you for your support. You obviously have read all the posts and perfectly understand why I am doing this.
If I really wanted to be obnoxious, I'd give him my last name and then he could read all about me over the internet but I chose not to be that kind of person.
If I really wanted to be obnoxious, I'd give him my last name and then he could read all about me over the internet but I chose not to be that kind of person.
Your last comment was obnoxious and really low class.
04-10-2005, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tiggerfink
I wish I can drink wines, but I have that Asian trait of can not drink alcohol. Alcohol just tears my insides up.
04-10-2005, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RJC
Congrats on the Aston!!! I know what you mean about the sound as there are 2 in my neighborhood.
I would visit the serive dept and chat with a few Aston owners just to make sure the service is as good as the sales and marketing experience.
Speaking of French Bordeaux's, what do you think of a 67 Chateau Gran Latour? we were given one as a gift years back, its been properly stored so is it still good?
Rgds,
I would visit the serive dept and chat with a few Aston owners just to make sure the service is as good as the sales and marketing experience.
Speaking of French Bordeaux's, what do you think of a 67 Chateau Gran Latour? we were given one as a gift years back, its been properly stored so is it still good?
Rgds,
I just opened a case of 1978 Beringer Private Reserve and the whole case was bad. Not a happy camper.
I am looking forward to the Aston experience.
04-10-2005, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by LovinSL600
If the wine is good, you are in for a treat.
Thanks
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04-10-2005, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LovinSL600
I just opened a case of 1978 Beringer Private Reserve and the whole case was bad. Not a happy camper.
04-10-2005, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PA500SL
Lovin, once again, I'm not trying to beat you down but why is this not just a nice extra car. I am also priviledged to have alot of extra resourses, and my SL is just my fun car. If you look at it as the same as a yacht, then it's not that big of a deal. I deal with an ASTON dealer all the time, and regardless of how the dealer treats you, you will still be at the mercy of the manufacturer. From what I have heard, you are going to be very dissapointed with the manufacturer. The dealers, however, will stroke you to completion.
Your last comment was obnoxious and really low class.
Your last comment was obnoxious and really low class.
The problem that you don't understand is that while a yacht is suppose to have all sorts of problems, a car is not. When you go to the yacht manufacturer they are set up to do anything you ask them because they know the fire drill.
Mercedes, in my opinion won't do anything and their cars are suppose to come off the line without defects. That is the standard.
As for the Aston Martin manufacturer, if you are correct I will be back to ground zero but from what I have heard from others, this is not the case. I understand that Astons do have issues at times like all cars. I have heard and know of one person that has a Vanquish from this dealer and he tells me they will do anything to rectify any problem. They try and that is all I ever asked Mercedes to do. It is all in the attitude. The dealer is great. The manufacturer, in my opinion does not care.
I just don't understand why you can't see this?
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04-10-2005, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PA500SL
Lovin, once again, I'm not trying to beat you down but why is this not just a nice extra car. I am also priviledged to have alot of extra resourses, and my SL is just my fun car. If you look at it as the same as a yacht, then it's not that big of a deal. I deal with an ASTON dealer all the time, and regardless of how the dealer treats you, you will still be at the mercy of the manufacturer. From what I have heard, you are going to be very dissapointed with the manufacturer. The dealers, however, will stroke you to completion.
Your last comment was obnoxious and really low class.
Your last comment was obnoxious and really low class.
04-10-2005, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RJC
Mercedes used to own Beringer in 1978...just kidding :p
04-10-2005, 04:39 PM
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Why would you accept a problem on a yacht, and not on a high tech car. It is much harder to make high tech stuff to work on a car than a yacht! You have been incredibly MANIC when it comes to this car, and yet you are willing to accept problems on a yacht!!!
04-10-2005, 04:41 PM
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You are blind and starting to convince me you are...
Originally Posted by PA500SL
From what I have heard, you are going to be very dissapointed with the manufacturer. The dealers, however, will stroke you to completion.
Go onto the Aston Martin website. They have the names, e-mail and phone numbers of all the main players. They encourage you to call them.
When I was researching the DB9 I got up at 1:00 AM many a time and called these people and asked them questions about the DB9. They spent as much time as was necessary with me and if they didn't have an answer, they actually called me back with the answer. This is the factory. The manufacturer...got it?
You could NEVER get a phone number or anyting or anyone in Mercedes in Germany. Neither could 99.9% of the dealers in the US.
Try getting through to anyone but a robot in Montvale.
My friend, you are a blind man and if you keep going, your ignorance will start to show.
I am done with this debate. My thirteen year old has a better sense of understanding than you.
04-10-2005, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by shoes
I have given up on Lovin's mood swings on his SL600. Hopefully, this does not extend to women, since that can be a much more expensive mistake.
Just remember that your imagination and anticipation are always better than everyday ownership. If it is automobile perfection you are seeking, well, this is a journey not a destination. Best wishes with Aston and hang onto the SL as the daily driver.
P.S. there are a lot of Napa wines superior to Silver Oak, so you have another enjoyable journey ahead of you.
Just remember that your imagination and anticipation are always better than everyday ownership. If it is automobile perfection you are seeking, well, this is a journey not a destination. Best wishes with Aston and hang onto the SL as the daily driver.
P.S. there are a lot of Napa wines superior to Silver Oak, so you have another enjoyable journey ahead of you.
Steve
04-10-2005, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RJC
Do you think it still could be? We have it in an air conditioned dark closet that's kept at about 68-70 and in a wine rack.
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I say open that puppy up and give it a taste.
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Originally Posted by LovinSL600
PA500SL,
Go onto the Aston Martin website. They have the names, e-mail and phone numbers of all the main players. They encourage you to call them.
When I was researching the DB9 I got up at 1:00 AM many a time and called these people and asked them questions about the DB9. They spent as much time as was necessary with me and if they didn't have an answer, they actually called me back with the answer. This is the factory. The manufacturer...got it?
You could NEVER get a phone number or anyting or anyone in Mercedes in Germany. Neither could 99.9% of the dealers in the US.
Try getting through to anyone but a robot in Montvale.
My friend, you are a blind man and if you keep going, your ignorance will start to show.
I am done with this debate. My thirteen year old has a better sense of understanding than you.
Go onto the Aston Martin website. They have the names, e-mail and phone numbers of all the main players. They encourage you to call them.
When I was researching the DB9 I got up at 1:00 AM many a time and called these people and asked them questions about the DB9. They spent as much time as was necessary with me and if they didn't have an answer, they actually called me back with the answer. This is the factory. The manufacturer...got it?
You could NEVER get a phone number or anyting or anyone in Mercedes in Germany. Neither could 99.9% of the dealers in the US.
Try getting through to anyone but a robot in Montvale.
My friend, you are a blind man and if you keep going, your ignorance will start to show.
I am done with this debate. My thirteen year old has a better sense of understanding than you.
My friend, you don't own the car yet... I hope it works out for you...
If you do change, please don't come here and continue negative thoughts.
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04-10-2005, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RadSteve
MAy I suggest for a start: Camus Special Select Cabernet Souvignon...2001 is out and will be even better with a bit of cellaring. Price point similar to Silver Oak Napa Valley (Not Alexander). Give it a swish n swallow.
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Do you like the Napa or Alexander better? In Silver Oak I like the Alexander better.
04-10-2005, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LovinSL600
The SL600 and the whole Mercedes brand is out.
I was thinking about the BMW 750 that is coming out but I am not sure. It seemed kinda boring although they have done a great job with the car.
I looked at the LS430 and while #1 on reliability, it didn't excite me.
Anyone have any suggestions on something bigger and sporty as my daily driver when I am not driving the Aston? You know, something that the rain drops are allowed to hit.
I was thinking about the BMW 750 that is coming out but I am not sure. It seemed kinda boring although they have done a great job with the car.
I looked at the LS430 and while #1 on reliability, it didn't excite me.
Anyone have any suggestions on something bigger and sporty as my daily driver when I am not driving the Aston? You know, something that the rain drops are allowed to hit.
Steve
04-10-2005, 05:08 PM
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Everyone that's owned any type of boat knows you're asking for problems, the old saying goes on to say something like, that the two happiest days of boat ownership are the day you bought it and sold it.
MB has a lot to learn about customer satisfaction, the JD Power and European customer satisifaction #'s say it all and have done so unforunately for years now.
If I treated my clients the way MB has treated me in the past, I'd be in big financial trouble and driving a Yugo. I always go the extra mile for my clients and treat them just like I'd like to be treated. Remember the Golden Rule..."always treat others the way you wish to be treated". What ever happened to that being taught in school???
Lovin just wants the commmensurate level of respect one should receive after spending $140,000.00+ on one of the most expensive non specialty cars MB produces from the manufacturer itself, as he has not received what he thought was an appropriate response(s) and or actions from them. Remember one thing, some people are satisified with far less service and or respect than the norm and others demand much more; it's Lovins hard earned money, so when all is said and done, it's his call.
MB has a lot to learn about customer satisfaction, the JD Power and European customer satisifaction #'s say it all and have done so unforunately for years now.
If I treated my clients the way MB has treated me in the past, I'd be in big financial trouble and driving a Yugo. I always go the extra mile for my clients and treat them just like I'd like to be treated. Remember the Golden Rule..."always treat others the way you wish to be treated". What ever happened to that being taught in school???
Lovin just wants the commmensurate level of respect one should receive after spending $140,000.00+ on one of the most expensive non specialty cars MB produces from the manufacturer itself, as he has not received what he thought was an appropriate response(s) and or actions from them. Remember one thing, some people are satisified with far less service and or respect than the norm and others demand much more; it's Lovins hard earned money, so when all is said and done, it's his call.
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04-10-2005, 05:18 PM
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I agree, great car...
Originally Posted by RadSteve
I've already ordered an new 750Li to replace my 2002 745Li. I really like the car as a sedan (I need one to tote grandmothers and friends around in, etc, plus for long trips to the airport to hold luggage). It is a reasonably fun car, comfortable, confident and easy to drive. Gas mileage is excellent for a car this size (26 hwy). I'm so looking forward to hearing about your Vanquish as it progresses! What FUN!
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Did you order the sports package or the luxury package? I like the luxury package ride but I like the sports package seats. Hmmmm?
Also, what about price? MSRP or better? I just don't know?
04-10-2005, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RJC
Everyone that's owned any type of boat knows you're asking for problems, the old saying goes on to say something like, that the two happiest days of boat ownership are the day you bought it and sold it.
MB has a lot to learn about customer satisfaction, the JD Power and European customer satisifaction #'s say it all and have done so unforunately for years now.
If I treated my clients the way MB has treated me in the past, I'd be in big financial trouble and driving a Yugo. I always go the extra mile for my clients and treat them just like I'd like to be treated. Remember the Golden Rule..."always treat others the way you wish to be treated". What ever happened to that being taught in school???
Lovin just wants the commmensurate level of respect one should receive after spending $140,000.00+ on one of the most expensive non specialty cars MB produces from the manufaturer itself, as he has not received what he thought was an appropriate response(s) and or actions from them. Remember one thing, some people are satisified with far less service and or respect than the norm and others demand much more; it's Lovins hard earned money, so when all is said and done, it's his call.
MB has a lot to learn about customer satisfaction, the JD Power and European customer satisifaction #'s say it all and have done so unforunately for years now.
If I treated my clients the way MB has treated me in the past, I'd be in big financial trouble and driving a Yugo. I always go the extra mile for my clients and treat them just like I'd like to be treated. Remember the Golden Rule..."always treat others the way you wish to be treated". What ever happened to that being taught in school???
Lovin just wants the commmensurate level of respect one should receive after spending $140,000.00+ on one of the most expensive non specialty cars MB produces from the manufaturer itself, as he has not received what he thought was an appropriate response(s) and or actions from them. Remember one thing, some people are satisified with far less service and or respect than the norm and others demand much more; it's Lovins hard earned money, so when all is said and done, it's his call.
Maybe a smart man with a messed up bottle of one of the world's finest wines but nevertheless, smart.
04-10-2005, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by LovinSL600
Anyone have any suggestions on something bigger and sporty as my daily driver when I am not driving the Aston? You know, something that the rain drops are allowed to hit.
04-10-2005, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LovinSL600
I agree, great wine out of the bottle.
Do you like the Napa or Alexander better? In Silver Oak I like the Alexander better.
Do you like the Napa or Alexander better? In Silver Oak I like the Alexander better.
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04-10-2005, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by WIldcat465
Have you tried Audi A8/S8 or the A6 4.2 Quattro?
Thanks Wildcat.
