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Old 12-11-2019, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bobterry99
Not true. A dealer can not code out a child seat recognition sensor with his Star Diagnosis. Apparently yours can not either.

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not in SIM mode, connected to the car

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not in SIM mode, connected to the car
I do not have a C215 to connect to.

In regard to the seat sensor, to satisfy readers of this thread I think you need to show the next screen to demonstrate that the "special function" is to disable the sensor. Of course there would still be the issue that you claim this will disable your airbags whereas mine does not. So whether or not you can disable the sensor is moot, really, since disabling the air bags is unacceptable.
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Originally Posted by bobterry99
I do not have a C215 to connect to.

In regard to the seat sensor, you need to show the next screen to demonstrate that the "special function" is to disable the sensor. Of course there would still be the issue that you claim this will disable your airbags whereas mine does not.
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Originally Posted by bobterry99
Not true. A dealer can not code out a child seat recognition sensor with his Star Diagnosis. Apparently yours can not either.


Done. My software has your settings and more. Advantage: China.
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I can do that too on the car version you used


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2014.07 and 09 are the best versions to have if you have old C3
anyway, you can not use C3 on a later Xentry
but as you see, you are missing special functions
special functions are everywhere on tons of modules
then also, you don't have SCN online nor OFFLINE SCN and Module upgrade fonctions.

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Then for R231 and later cars it remains in Xentry, does not switch to DAS anymore
















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Originally Posted by pmercury
anyway, you can not use C3 on a later Xentry
This is well known to us. Do note that this is an R230 forum, and a C3 works beautifully for ever model year of this chassis. For later cars, the Chinese offer the "C4 Connect" multiplexer and more recent versions of software which match all of those screenshots you posted for hundreds of dollars less than what you charge.

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special functions are everywhere on tons of modules
If desired, Special Functions are available from China. In my case I have access to the engineering menus which offer what is available with Special Functions and considerably more.

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...you don't have SCN online nor OFFLINE SCN....
My R230s are MY2003, and SCNs were not introduced at that point. And as stated earlier, if an SCN were needed, this can be had from China. Please pay better attention so that I needn't repeat myself again.

We still do not see how your software benefits maintaining, modifying, or troubleshooting the all-important important ABC. In fact, you have yet to demonstrate a tangible, material advantage of your software for any vehicle system. You've shown that you can disable a seat sensor via Special Functions, but you stated this disables the air bags. It is not an acceptable solution to the challenge you responded to.
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but you stated this disables the air bags. It is not an acceptable solution to the challenge you responded to.
my fault, as you can see on the screens, it does not turn of airbags when done with special settings (that you do not have)


for the rest, good luck then if you believe what you say

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Originally Posted by danmm7
What can i do on my old SL55 with the more $$ system that i can't do with the cheap one?
Your cheap SDS may do more than you realize with tools a dealer tech doesn't have with his SDS.

At the bottom of the main ABC screen you probably have a menu item "Development data". Clicking that opens the engineering menu. From there if you select "Actual values" and then "Complete actual values list" you then have a submenu with eight different screens of statuses and sensor values. They are in German, but using an online translator you can suss the meaning of most of them.

Of particular interest to me are the ABC controller's nine control outputs. You can view all of them on the 6th screen shown below. They may not be particularly helpful for troubleshooting, but they provide invaluable incite into understanding ABC operation. Translating the items:

77. Current to left-rear locking valve
78: Current to right-rear locking valve
79: Current to left-front locking valve
80: Current to right-front locking valve
81. Current to left-rear strut control valve
82: Current to right-rear strut control valve
83: Current to left-front strut control valve
84: Current to right-front strut control valve
85: Current to pump striction valve

All of these currents as well as any of the other analog values can be charted in real time using keys F3 and F4. You can also create your own lists of actual values and populate them with only the items you choose. In this manner you can choose to view only the values of interest and have them all on one screen.


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Absolutely
Developper is above Dealership, only intended for Germany MB Engineer, that is why it is German only

I don't have a problem as I read German also
But you have phone apps that translate text instantly onscreen with you camera


Developer mode was what we found the highest level, but last 2 years we found even more options and they where depending on the licence key + little trick







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...we found even more options and they where depending on the licence key + little trick
My software has every screen you show and the appearance of each is identical. I presume my software matches yours in functionality.

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Suppose you have Milazzo's '03 SL500 and the SRS malfunction light is illuminated in the instrument cluster. A Quick Test reveals code B1315 set in the air bag controller: the child seat recognition sensor is faulty.
I was faced with this actual problem with an '03 '500 I used to own. I used the engineering menus for the air bag controller to program the seat recognition sensor out of the system.
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This thread seems to have devolved into a combination 'advertisement' and argument. Seems almost like time to 'close' it to me!!!

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Originally Posted by bobterry99
My software has every screen you show and the appearance of each is identical. I presume my software matches yours in functionality.

I was faced with this actual problem with an '03 '500 I used to own. I used the engineering menus for the air bag controller to program the seat recognition sensor out of the system.
You have none of this















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Originally Posted by kittyandgary
This thread seems to have devolved into a combination 'advertisement' and argument. Seems almost like time to 'close' it to me!!!

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I totally agree but "IT" can't stop his lies
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Originally Posted by pmercury
You have none of this
We've been down this road before more than once. It's true that my c. $25 software does not have Special Functions and some other capabilities which I have never needed in more than a decade. But (1) what I lack can be had from China cheap, and (2) much or most of what you do with Special Functions I can do through the engineering menus. Exhibit A: Coding-out a child seat recognition sensor.

To keep my posts brief I passed over some points. I revisit what pmercury wrote to danmm7:
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Only understanding that you run outdated firmware on your ME9.7 engine ecu, transmission and some other modules should be enough.
Changes are very significant
I could be mistaken, but I am certain danmm7 does not have Bosch ME9.7 engine management; he probably has ME 2.8. You have no idea what firmwares are running throughout his vehicle. Consequently, you can not predict what benefits would accrue if the latest firmwares were installed. And it's entirely plausible that an older version of firmware is more desirable than newer. To wit, consider that a 1992 500SL engine makes 322 horsepower while a 1993 makes 315.

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Originally Posted by bobterry99
My software has every screen you show and the appearance of each is identical. I presume my software matches yours in functionality.

I was faced with this actual problem with an '03 '500 I used to own. I used the engineering menus for the air bag controller to program the seat recognition sensor out of the system.
You just wrote this in the post before, you have Alzheimer ?

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Seems almost like time to 'close' it to me!!!
Pmercury has done a considerable disservice to himself with his behaviour here. The longer the thread continues the worse it will get for him.

In no post have I cast aspersions upon the software offering from pmercury. My complaint is with his unscrupulous mischaracterization of his competition from China and the way he misinforms members to promote his product.

After many posts I have a confession to make: Matching wits with pmercury has been like shooting fish in a barrel and truly been a guilty pleasure.
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changed subject again you maniac
save your energy with all your lies
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This may be my final post unless the subject matter returns to diagnostic tools for the R230. An analogy:

You are shopping for a calculator at Walmart to figure your taxes. You choose a fairly sophisticated one made in China for $10. With that a pompous man-child appears and announces himself as the Math Ninja. He tells you your choice is junk. He declares you need his $50 calculator which performs math on imaginary-complex numbers and evaluates hyperbolic trigonometric functions. When you ask how his calculator with its esoteric features will help you figure your taxes better, he is speachless...
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I 3rd that recommendation for those who don't care about the scruples of those they deal with and for whom money is no object. If you do not meet that criteria and desire remote help, I recommend Paul600600 from Benworld. His contributions are all over this thread: https://www.benzworld.org/threads/go...today.2315329/. I am certain he is located in Germany.
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