SL/R230: ABC accumulator help
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ABC accumulator help
How do you know if it's going bad ? I have a 05 with 105k miles and started feeling a vibration in the steering wheel and pedals. Only below 2k rpm even while parked. No codes or lights going off and the ABC still works fine. The MB ABC trouble shooting guide says this could be the accumulator. Just wondering if anybody has had the same experience. The power steering has a pulse dampener on the ABC pump also. How do you know which one is bad ?
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If the front or rear accumulator is bad, you will briefly get an ABC fault indication when traversing speed bumps. If the pulsation dampener is bad, you typically hear a whining sound.
A Star Diagnosis test is the only way I know of to positively pinpoint a failed accumulator. From the main ABC menu you follow this path and the instructions: Troubleshooting by means of complaints or symptoms > Handling characteristics > Vehicle damping too soft or spongy handling characteristics > Pressure change during pressure release.
A Star Diagnosis clone can be had from aliexpress.com for $250.
This is only on MY2007 and newer SLs. Your pulsation dampener is attached to the pressure supply valve block located behind the left-front wheel.
A Star Diagnosis test is the only way I know of to positively pinpoint a failed accumulator. From the main ABC menu you follow this path and the instructions: Troubleshooting by means of complaints or symptoms > Handling characteristics > Vehicle damping too soft or spongy handling characteristics > Pressure change during pressure release.
A Star Diagnosis clone can be had from aliexpress.com for $250.
This is only on MY2007 and newer SLs. Your pulsation dampener is attached to the pressure supply valve block located behind the left-front wheel.
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The pulsation damper isn’t difficult to replace, jacking up the car and removing the wheel well and under panel trims took the most time. I’m really glad that I replaced mine preventatively because I found a leaking hose while I was in there.
I strongly recommend purchasing this wrench, my conventional 24mm one was too thick and would not fit around the damper.
I strongly recommend purchasing this wrench, my conventional 24mm one was too thick and would not fit around the damper.
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It is also believed that preventatively replacing the damper and accumulators will help prolong the life of your hoses. You might want to research that. A blown hose could leave you stranded and destroy your $$$$$ tandem pump.
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I'm pretty sure there is no steering dampener on your vehicle.
I see no reason to replace an accumulator unless it has failed. Under most driving conditions you would never notice. In regard to hoses, there would actually be less stress at times -- not more.
According to a German website if the pulsation dampener is blown, then the pressure between the pump and the pressure supply valve block fluctuates about 10 bar instead of remaining steady. I do not think that has a material effect on the hoses. And at any rate, if the dampener has failed you should know and can act quickly.
A friend of mine has a 2003 SL500 with about 50,000 miles on the odometer. All ABC-related hardware is original. Yet by some preventive maintenance schedules this vehicle would be due for its third set of accumulators and a pulsation dampener in 28 months.
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I see no reason to replace an accumulator unless it has failed. Under most driving conditions you would never notice. In regard to hoses, there would actually be less stress at times -- not more.
According to a German website if the pulsation dampener is blown, then the pressure between the pump and the pressure supply valve block fluctuates about 10 bar instead of remaining steady. I do not think that has a material effect on the hoses. And at any rate, if the dampener has failed you should know and can act quickly.
A friend of mine has a 2003 SL500 with about 50,000 miles on the odometer. All ABC-related hardware is original. Yet by some preventive maintenance schedules this vehicle would be due for its third set of accumulators and a pulsation dampener in 28 months.
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That was my "short hand" getting the best of me.
I meant the pulse dampener for the power steering. It's a little cylinder with a banjo fitting that attaches to the ABC pump. Just wondering if they are a common problem. I difinately have the whine, growl , pulse feedback through the wheel and pedals that stops above 2k rpm. Im going to pull the inner wheelwell panel and get a closer listen.
All input is appreciated!
I meant the pulse dampener for the power steering. It's a little cylinder with a banjo fitting that attaches to the ABC pump. Just wondering if they are a common problem. I difinately have the whine, growl , pulse feedback through the wheel and pedals that stops above 2k rpm. Im going to pull the inner wheelwell panel and get a closer listen.
All input is appreciated!
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Get yourself a mechanic's stethoscope (Harbor Freight sells them cheap) and it on the dampener. If course you will hear a lot of noise, but see if the "beat" matches the offending sound. If so, replace the dampener.
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How do you know if it's going bad ? I have a 05 with 105k miles and started feeling a vibration in the steering wheel and pedals. Only below 2k rpm even while parked. No codes or lights going off and the ABC still works fine. The MB ABC trouble shooting guide says this could be the accumulator. Just wondering if anybody has had the same experience. The power steering has a pulse dampener on the ABC pump also. How do you know which one is bad ?
Turn on the car, let it level, check the fluid level on the dipstick in the ABC tank. It should be at the lower mark. If oil is missing, add until lower mark is reached.
Now, turn off the car, let it rest for about 1 hour, and check oil level in ABC tank again. It should now be at the upper mark.
If so, the front and rear accumulator are okay. If not, and the level is somewhere between marks, ( how much depends on if 1 or 2 accumulators are blown ) one or both accumulators have their rubber membrane blown.
During this one hour rest, the car should not drop lower, then you have a different problem ( leaking valves ).
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[QUOTE=Rudeney;7940024]@SLcharge you are correct, and that is good info on checking the accumulators, but this problem is likely a bad pulsation dampener.[/QUOTE
My goal was not to question the diagnosis made, but merely to point out the possibility of a quick check on the accumulators, as asked in the initial post without having to use Xentry or other software.
I agree on the diagnosis.
My goal was not to question the diagnosis made, but merely to point out the possibility of a quick check on the accumulators, as asked in the initial post without having to use Xentry or other software.
I agree on the diagnosis.
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I think this test is predicated on the notion that when the engine is shut off all or much of the oil that returns to the ABC reservoir comes from the front and rear accumulators. But it also comes from the pulsation dampener as well, so this simple test can only tell you that you have a problem with one of three components without identifying which one. So absent the presence of the telltale sound of a failed dampener you must have Star Diagnosis to pinpoint the problem.
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I think this test is predicated on the notion that when the engine is shut off all or much of the oil that returns to the ABC reservoir comes from the front and rear accumulators. But it also comes from the pulsation dampener as well, so this simple test can only tell you that you have a problem with one of three components without identifying which one. So absent the presence of the telltale sound of a failed dampener you must have Star Diagnosis to pinpoint the problem.
The volume of the pulsation damper is very small, compared with the front and rear accumulators, so that the volume of the pulsationdamper is neglagteble
Furthermore the funktion of the pulsationdamper is of a nature that it don't hold any charge, when engine not running.
Having worked with hydraulics for more than 40 years, I can safely say that my assumption is correct.
The whole ABC system is in hydraulic terms and design, fairly simple, but due to MB approach in choice of components ( mostly OEM made ) it is prone to failure and expensive to repair. The accumulators ( front and rear ) though are standart industrial components, ready available, only needing the right nitrogen charge upon delivery.
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If you knew what difference on the dipstick to expect from a failed accumulator or damper -- none of us do -- then you could tell which had failed. And if it were an accumulator, you still need Star Diagnosis to identify which one.
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Well I replaced my pulse dampener today. Found a genuine MB part for $160 on Amazon. IT FIXED THE PROBLEM ! I'm super happy. It seemed a little to easy so I kept my fingers crossed and said a prayer before cranking it up.
No more growl and vibrations coming through the wheel and pedals. Handling is nice and firm again. Here's a couple of tips for the next guy.
You can access this part by taking off the small grille with 2 fins on the driver side fender. It's held on by two torx screws. No need to pull the inner fender well.
I used a regular adjustable wrench. Some say you need a slim 24mm open end. Once it turns at all, then it's just finger tight. Screwed the new one on by hand until it made contact then less than a quarter turn and it's tight. I used a large wrench to hold the valve block.
Hope this helps the next guy.
No more growl and vibrations coming through the wheel and pedals. Handling is nice and firm again. Here's a couple of tips for the next guy.
You can access this part by taking off the small grille with 2 fins on the driver side fender. It's held on by two torx screws. No need to pull the inner fender well.
I used a regular adjustable wrench. Some say you need a slim 24mm open end. Once it turns at all, then it's just finger tight. Screwed the new one on by hand until it made contact then less than a quarter turn and it's tight. I used a large wrench to hold the valve block.
Hope this helps the next guy.
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Geez, found it for $135.
https://benzparts.autohausofpeoria.c...oir-2203270215
https://benzparts.autohausofpeoria.c...oir-2203270215
