SL/R230: Roof stuck lowering with trunk flaps open, trunk lid straight up & pump running why?
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Hi again guys. Recently I got the roof to function properly then malfunction on separate occasions. In order… I most recently replaced the RVC module/computer controller, had the roof pump rebuilt, lowered and locked down the previously deployed rollbar, replaced the bent and broken windshield latch mechanisms, replaced the leaking front latch cylinder with a Top Hydraulics rebuild, replaced leaking load assist cylinders with rebuilds, replaced all the other roof cylinders with rebuilds except for the rollbar cylinder.
Now the roof stopped lowering with the trunk flaps open, the trunk lid straight up and stuck, and the pump still running. The roof lowered into the trunk area fine before the trunk lid stuck. The roof had operated properly for about a dozen cycles before it got stuck again.
Please see the following vario roof live data, if you have ideas please help. Thanks in advance… Thom
360 All windows open RECOGNIZED
370 Rollover bar lowered RECOGNIZED
371 Rollover bar raised NOT RECOGNIZED
372 Vario roof OPEN RECOGNIZED
373 Vario roof CLOSED NOT RECOGNIZED
374 Vario roof INTERLOCKED NOT RECOGNIZED
375 Loading assist UP NOT RECOGNIZED
376 Loading assist DOWN RECOGNIZED
377 Side flaps FOLDED IN NOT RECOGNIZED
378 Side flaps FOLDED OPEN RECOGNIZED
379 Tubular frame OPEN NOT RECOGNIZED
380 Tubular frame CLOSED, LOCKED NOT RECOGNIZED
381 Luggage compartment division RECOGNIZED CLOSED
382 Trunk lid OPEN NOT RECOGNIZED
383 Trunk lid CLOSED (Locking RECOGNIZED pawl opened)
384 Trunk lid CLOSED (Rotary RECOGNIZED tumbler closed)
---------------------1 of 2 Frame---------------------
318 Open vario roof using control switch or infrared. NO
319 Close vario roof using control switch or infrared. NO
317 Vario roof position In valid intermediate position
320 Implausible status of the vario roof limit switches NOT RECOGNIZED
321 Abort conditions for vario roof limit switches NOT RECOGNIZED
322 Vario roof in stop mode YES
323 Vario roof subsequently locked NO
324 Vario roof in emergency mode NO
---------------------1 of 3 Frame---------------------
420 Pump temperature 15°C
430 Status Pump temperature Temperature < 85°C
431 Rate of rise of pump temperature is too high. NO
493 Hydraulic unit o.k. YES
---------------------1 of 2 Frame---------------------
440 Actuation : Open side flaps of rear shelf. NOT RECOGNIZED
457 Actuation : Hydraulic pump NOT RECOGNIZED
452 Actuation : Main valve NOT RECOGNIZED
455 Actuation : Open tubular frame and locks. RECOGNIZED
456 Actuation : Lower load assist. NOT RECOGNIZED
453 Actuation : Close vario roof. RECOGNIZED
454 Actuation : Open vario roof. RECOGNIZED
450 Actuation : Fold in side flaps. NOT RECOGNIZED
451 Actuation : Raise rollover bar. NOT RECOGNIZED
458 Actuation : Backup transistor RECOGNIZED
Now the roof stopped lowering with the trunk flaps open, the trunk lid straight up and stuck, and the pump still running. The roof lowered into the trunk area fine before the trunk lid stuck. The roof had operated properly for about a dozen cycles before it got stuck again.
Please see the following vario roof live data, if you have ideas please help. Thanks in advance… Thom
360 All windows open RECOGNIZED
370 Rollover bar lowered RECOGNIZED
371 Rollover bar raised NOT RECOGNIZED
372 Vario roof OPEN RECOGNIZED
373 Vario roof CLOSED NOT RECOGNIZED
374 Vario roof INTERLOCKED NOT RECOGNIZED
375 Loading assist UP NOT RECOGNIZED
376 Loading assist DOWN RECOGNIZED
377 Side flaps FOLDED IN NOT RECOGNIZED
378 Side flaps FOLDED OPEN RECOGNIZED
379 Tubular frame OPEN NOT RECOGNIZED
380 Tubular frame CLOSED, LOCKED NOT RECOGNIZED
381 Luggage compartment division RECOGNIZED CLOSED
382 Trunk lid OPEN NOT RECOGNIZED
383 Trunk lid CLOSED (Locking RECOGNIZED pawl opened)
384 Trunk lid CLOSED (Rotary RECOGNIZED tumbler closed)
---------------------1 of 2 Frame---------------------
318 Open vario roof using control switch or infrared. NO
319 Close vario roof using control switch or infrared. NO
317 Vario roof position In valid intermediate position
320 Implausible status of the vario roof limit switches NOT RECOGNIZED
321 Abort conditions for vario roof limit switches NOT RECOGNIZED
322 Vario roof in stop mode YES
323 Vario roof subsequently locked NO
324 Vario roof in emergency mode NO
---------------------1 of 3 Frame---------------------
420 Pump temperature 15°C
430 Status Pump temperature Temperature < 85°C
431 Rate of rise of pump temperature is too high. NO
493 Hydraulic unit o.k. YES
---------------------1 of 2 Frame---------------------
440 Actuation : Open side flaps of rear shelf. NOT RECOGNIZED
457 Actuation : Hydraulic pump NOT RECOGNIZED
452 Actuation : Main valve NOT RECOGNIZED
455 Actuation : Open tubular frame and locks. RECOGNIZED
456 Actuation : Lower load assist. NOT RECOGNIZED
453 Actuation : Close vario roof. RECOGNIZED
454 Actuation : Open vario roof. RECOGNIZED
450 Actuation : Fold in side flaps. NOT RECOGNIZED
451 Actuation : Raise rollover bar. NOT RECOGNIZED
458 Actuation : Backup transistor RECOGNIZED
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Stuck at that point is usually because it is waiting for a load assist down signal, but your scan shows that it is recognized as down. It also shows the tubular frame as NOT open, so it seems that it just started to close. I would check the frame lift cylinder and make sure that everything looks good there. That point probably has the maximum pressure requirement for the frame lift cylinder when closing the frame, so it could be lack of pressure for whatever reason (weak pump, low fluid, bypass valve not tight, etc). Have someone hold the button and try to assist the trunk manually. You should be able to tell if it is trying to close or doing nothing.
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Mike, at this point the flaps need to fold in and they don't. I don't know if the controller is waiting for S118 to confirm the frame locks are closed, if not then an electric problem stops the flaps motor from folding in the flaps (provided there's no mechanical seizure there).
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Mike, at this point the flaps need to fold in and they don't. I don't know if the controller is waiting for S118 to confirm the frame locks are closed, if not then an electric problem stops the flaps motor from folding in the flaps (provided there's no mechanical seizure there).
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