SL/R232: Are you happy with the Burmester sound system?
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Dude - I gave you the link and source directly from Apple. Spatial audio is 2 channel.
You are confusing several things. The mastering has nothing to do with it. Yes, the original content is recorded in many channels. Then it's mixed down to 2 channel for the content you will listen to in the car.
Furthermore, the in car audio does not even have the ability to decode and play back multi-channel audio tracks.
Your links prove my point, not yours. They talk about how mastering engineers mix for Dolby Atmos. Yeah, you can get an Atmos receiver at home, playback your high-res Atmos soundtrack (like a movie, for example), and you will hear true multi-channel Atmos. This is not what is happening when you stream in your car!
This is getting to be a waste of time. You are a dense, stubborn individual who doesn't know what he doesn't know... and are unwilling to learn. +1 to ignore list. That's a short tenure you have on this site to have already had someone ignore you.
You are confusing several things. The mastering has nothing to do with it. Yes, the original content is recorded in many channels. Then it's mixed down to 2 channel for the content you will listen to in the car.
Furthermore, the in car audio does not even have the ability to decode and play back multi-channel audio tracks.
Your links prove my point, not yours. They talk about how mastering engineers mix for Dolby Atmos. Yeah, you can get an Atmos receiver at home, playback your high-res Atmos soundtrack (like a movie, for example), and you will hear true multi-channel Atmos. This is not what is happening when you stream in your car!
This is getting to be a waste of time. You are a dense, stubborn individual who doesn't know what he doesn't know... and are unwilling to learn. +1 to ignore list. That's a short tenure you have on this site to have already had someone ignore you.
Last edited by Surge; May 12, 2024 at 09:46 AM.
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Dude - I gave you the link and source directly from Apple. Spatial audio is 2 channel.
You are confusing several things. The mastering has nothing to do with it. Yes, the original content is recorded in many channels. Then it's mixed down to 2 channel for the content you will listen to in the car.
Furthermore, the in car audio does not even have the ability to decode multi-channel audio tracks, nor the ability to play them back.
This is getting to be a waste of time.
You are confusing several things. The mastering has nothing to do with it. Yes, the original content is recorded in many channels. Then it's mixed down to 2 channel for the content you will listen to in the car.
Furthermore, the in car audio does not even have the ability to decode multi-channel audio tracks, nor the ability to play them back.
This is getting to be a waste of time.
https://www.audioanimals.co.uk/news/...bles-explained
The source is multi-channel. The master is multi-channel. The streaming service is multi-channel(!). The decoder in-car is multi-channel. The amp is multi-channel. The speakers (obviously) are multi-channel.
This is such a simple concept. I'm not going to respond again unless new information comes to light. But you are so clearly and painfully wrong I am going to assume you are trolling or there's some extreme cognitive bias or ego involved in not being able to process new and correct information (or,... and I don't mean to be mean because we can't control how many synapses our parents handed down to us... this is simply above your head).
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https://professional.dolby.com/produ...renderer/#gref
https://www.audioanimals.co.uk/news/...bles-explained
The source is multi-channel. The master is multi-channel. The streaming service is multi-channel(!). The decoder in-car is multi-channel. The amp is multi-channel. The speakers (obviously) are multi-channel.
This is such a simple concept. I'm not going to respond again unless new information comes to light. But you are so clearly and painfully wrong I am going to assume you are trolling or there's some extreme cognitive bias or ego involved in not being able to process new and correct information (or,... and I don't mean to be mean because we can't control how many synapses our parents handed down to us... this is simply above your head).
https://www.audioanimals.co.uk/news/...bles-explained
The source is multi-channel. The master is multi-channel. The streaming service is multi-channel(!). The decoder in-car is multi-channel. The amp is multi-channel. The speakers (obviously) are multi-channel.
This is such a simple concept. I'm not going to respond again unless new information comes to light. But you are so clearly and painfully wrong I am going to assume you are trolling or there's some extreme cognitive bias or ego involved in not being able to process new and correct information (or,... and I don't mean to be mean because we can't control how many synapses our parents handed down to us... this is simply above your head).
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I drove now over 4500 km in my new SL63 and I have quite the experience with the Burmester 3D High End system now.
First thing first: Adjust the Burmester to your listening preferences with the setup and then DO NOT TOUCH the settings anymore. Once you start fine tune stuff, you ARE going to mess it up. If this happens, just do a NEW setup/adjustment.
Depending on your source of music, the sound can vary. It can sometimes be frustrating if some songs sound great and others don't but try to avoid adjusting the setup. Unfortunately the Burmester doesn't seem to offer the possibility to adjust the setup for each and every sound source. One settting for ALL sound sources it seems.
Dolby Atmos works great BUT not always is the sound satifactory. In my opinion, this has something to do with the recording, not the sound system since SOME songs sound amazing (and you can clearly hear the difference) and others don't.
Avoid using too much bass in your setup, even if some songs may not have the bass level you always want them to have. You will thank me later.
Overall, I think this is a very good sound system for a convertible.
First thing first: Adjust the Burmester to your listening preferences with the setup and then DO NOT TOUCH the settings anymore. Once you start fine tune stuff, you ARE going to mess it up. If this happens, just do a NEW setup/adjustment.
Depending on your source of music, the sound can vary. It can sometimes be frustrating if some songs sound great and others don't but try to avoid adjusting the setup. Unfortunately the Burmester doesn't seem to offer the possibility to adjust the setup for each and every sound source. One settting for ALL sound sources it seems.
Dolby Atmos works great BUT not always is the sound satifactory. In my opinion, this has something to do with the recording, not the sound system since SOME songs sound amazing (and you can clearly hear the difference) and others don't.
Avoid using too much bass in your setup, even if some songs may not have the bass level you always want them to have. You will thank me later.
Overall, I think this is a very good sound system for a convertible.
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thank you for your work here Pharaon. its weird to ascribe some kind of wizardry to object based sound encoded in a multichannel format vs…. a multichannel format limited to 2 channels. like 2 channels is some kind of magic barrier that cannot be surpassed.
this argument needs to get to the real heart of the matter tho - are the speaker wires pure oxygen-free copper encased in a dielectric insulation? are the microscopic cracks in said wire filled with pure gold? surely if you aren’t spending 20k/meter on the wire the rest is meaningless
this argument needs to get to the real heart of the matter tho - are the speaker wires pure oxygen-free copper encased in a dielectric insulation? are the microscopic cracks in said wire filled with pure gold? surely if you aren’t spending 20k/meter on the wire the rest is meaningless
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thank you for your work here Pharaon. its weird to ascribe some kind of wizardry to object based sound encoded in a multichannel format vs…. a multichannel format limited to 2 channels. like 2 channels is some kind of magic barrier that cannot be surpassed.
this argument needs to get to the real heart of the matter tho - are the speaker wires pure oxygen-free copper encased in a dielectric insulation? are the microscopic cracks in said wire filled with pure gold? surely if you aren’t spending 20k/meter on the wire the rest is meaningless
this argument needs to get to the real heart of the matter tho - are the speaker wires pure oxygen-free copper encased in a dielectric insulation? are the microscopic cracks in said wire filled with pure gold? surely if you aren’t spending 20k/meter on the wire the rest is meaningless
“a multichannel format limited to 2 channels” … it’s not a multichannel format - by definition - if it’s only 2 channels.
I have the fake ATMOS system in my new EQS - it’s fake surround, as I said, having now listened to it first hand. No different than any of the myriad fake (‘make 2 channel sound like it was true multi-channel’) sound tweaks that have existed for years. It sounds good, yeah, but I am not for a minute thinking it’s real ATMOS.
You would die if you heard a great ATMOS setup on a Trinnov with world class amplification that (unfortunately) costs more than even the over-priced SL!
Speaking of which, you don’t even own an MB, let alone an SL! WTF? Don’t you have enough to complain about re your X5 or Defender, or is the former in shop and the latter stolen?
Last edited by Surge; Jun 27, 2024 at 11:13 PM.
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You are 0 for 6 posts that make any sense, my friend. Do yourself a favor and stop posting if you don’t know what you’re talking about.
“a multichannel format limited to 2 channels” … it’s not a multichannel format - by definition - if it’s only 2 channels.
I have the fake ATMOS system in my new EQS - it’s fake surround, as I said, having now listened to it first hand. No different than any of the myriad fake (‘make 2 channel sound like it was true multi-channel’) sound tweaks that have existed for years. It sounds good, yeah, but I am not for a minute thinking it’s real ATMOS.
You would die if you heard a great ATMOS setup on a Trinnov with world class amplification that (unfortunately) costs more than even the over-priced SL!
Speaking of which, you don’t even own an MB, let alone an SL! WTF? Don’t you have enough to complain about re your X5 or Defender, or is the former in shop and the latter stolen?
“a multichannel format limited to 2 channels” … it’s not a multichannel format - by definition - if it’s only 2 channels.
I have the fake ATMOS system in my new EQS - it’s fake surround, as I said, having now listened to it first hand. No different than any of the myriad fake (‘make 2 channel sound like it was true multi-channel’) sound tweaks that have existed for years. It sounds good, yeah, but I am not for a minute thinking it’s real ATMOS.
You would die if you heard a great ATMOS setup on a Trinnov with world class amplification that (unfortunately) costs more than even the over-priced SL!
Speaking of which, you don’t even own an MB, let alone an SL! WTF? Don’t you have enough to complain about re your X5 or Defender, or is the former in shop and the latter stolen?
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Not at all. Really lacks bass top up or top down. My 2016 S coupe was out of this world, as-is my 2020 AMG GT 53. The sound has really been my biggest disappointment thus far. I would drop a sub in, but space is too limited and I'm still under warranty. I may just eat it.
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Not at all. Really lacks bass top up or top down. My 2016 S coupe was out of this world, as-is my 2020 AMG GT 53. The sound has really been my biggest disappointment thus far. I would drop a sub in, but space is too limited and I'm still under warranty. I may just eat it.
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Correct.
You have assumed correctly. But I'm pretty sure my other cars didn't have the high end version yet they sound amazing. This system clearly turns down the bass aggressively to protect the speakers as you increase volume. Especially if the top is down.
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While I cant speak to the specific technical aspect of the conversation, I find this post very fitting in that people have no idea what licensing a name means. A great example is how AMG is no longer what AMG was. Mercedes markets the AMG name and diluted the quality so that any buyer of a Mercedes could get AMG trim and claim they have an AMG. Another example could be the brand Supreme, which at one point was high end collaborations, and now is just a label that doesn't mean anything to the original buyers of that gear since its been slapped on everything. Supreme is now worth like a billion dollars but the items they sell no longer have any meaningful value. Brands first build value, then they try to sell that brand into every wealth class and the only way to do that is to dilute the original brand quality. In this instance, clearly the parts used in a car stereo system are not the same ultimate quality of a custom built standalone stereo and while the tech may be similar, its not the same.
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While I cant speak to the specific technical aspect of the conversation, I find this post very fitting in that people have no idea what licensing a name means. A great example is how AMG is no longer what AMG was. Mercedes markets the AMG name and diluted the quality so that any buyer of a Mercedes could get AMG trim and claim they have an AMG. Another example could be the brand Supreme, which at one point was high end collaborations, and now is just a label that doesn't mean anything to the original buyers of that gear since its been slapped on everything. Supreme is now worth like a billion dollars but the items they sell no longer have any meaningful value. Brands first build value, then they try to sell that brand into every wealth class and the only way to do that is to dilute the original brand quality. In this instance, clearly the parts used in a car stereo system are not the same ultimate quality of a custom built standalone stereo and while the tech may be similar, its not the same.
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While I cant speak to the specific technical aspect of the conversation, I find this post very fitting in that people have no idea what licensing a name means. A great example is how AMG is no longer what AMG was. Mercedes markets the AMG name and diluted the quality so that any buyer of a Mercedes could get AMG trim and claim they have an AMG. Another example could be the brand Supreme, which at one point was high end collaborations, and now is just a label that doesn't mean anything to the original buyers of that gear since its been slapped on everything. Supreme is now worth like a billion dollars but the items they sell no longer have any meaningful value. Brands first build value, then they try to sell that brand into every wealth class and the only way to do that is to dilute the original brand quality. In this instance, clearly the parts used in a car stereo system are not the same ultimate quality of a custom built standalone stereo and while the tech may be similar, its not the same.
Preach!!! I couldn't have said it better myself. To give another example, Mercedes used to be exclusive. Now (at least in the US) I've had loaner car C-class vehicles or less and I'm like really, this is a Mercedes? If I was in the low end of the market for a Mercedes I would go with a VW Jetta. If you're going Mercedes it's higher end or nothing. It makes no sense to pay for a label (brand) only for there to be better quality yet you're paying lots of money for maintenance or repairs.
If I was in the market for a C-Class I would weigh my options. In my opinion the entry-level Mercedes class just doesn't exude luxury. Don't even get me started on the A class or GLB. I get they want to attract more buyers, younger or otherwise. But diluting the brand in my opinion doesn't make sense. But what do I know. I'm not on a board of Directors.
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I am not a sound or music connoisseur, but I do like/love music and appreciate good sound systems that add dimension, impact, and a true representation of live music.
I am quite happy with the sound system in the SL63. Much better than my SLK, and any other Mercedes I have owned. Or any car I have owned for that matter.
I am quite happy with the sound system in the SL63. Much better than my SLK, and any other Mercedes I have owned. Or any car I have owned for that matter.
