SL/R232: $40,000 off with conquest on the sl63 pretty insane
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That begs the question, why announce 2024 model year already, wouldn't it be MB's interest to get all those remaining cars sold first? I mean unless I am missing something, it wouldn't be a big deal announcing 2024 model year in 2024 right? I think MB had done that in the past?
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That begs the question, why announce 2024 model year already, wouldn't it be MB's interest to get all those remaining cars sold first? I mean unless I am missing something, it wouldn't be a big deal announcing 2024 model year in 2024 right? I think MB had done that in the past?
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I just looked at a Ferrari and asked the AD to give me a fair trade in value for my 2022 SL 63.
my sl63 new was $ 208 k with CCB’s and high end sound system and has1600 miles and of course mint.
the dealer offered me $ 145 k - after getting market info from a number of MB DEALERS who were indicating that they were giving $ 30 k off a new SL ,which in my case would mean $ 178 k for a new car. They concluded that they probably could only ask for around $160 for pre-owned and clearly they are entitled to make a profit, hence $145 k - not unreasonable.
So, 30% deprecation in less than a year - a direct result of the disastrous launch of this SL and creating a mountain of unsold vehicles.
to put this in perspective - I sold my 2016 AMG GTS ( 4/2015)which had an MSRP of around $150 for $ 85 k last September. A 45% depreciation after 7 years.
this entire situation is quite distressing.
my sl63 new was $ 208 k with CCB’s and high end sound system and has1600 miles and of course mint.
the dealer offered me $ 145 k - after getting market info from a number of MB DEALERS who were indicating that they were giving $ 30 k off a new SL ,which in my case would mean $ 178 k for a new car. They concluded that they probably could only ask for around $160 for pre-owned and clearly they are entitled to make a profit, hence $145 k - not unreasonable.
So, 30% deprecation in less than a year - a direct result of the disastrous launch of this SL and creating a mountain of unsold vehicles.
to put this in perspective - I sold my 2016 AMG GTS ( 4/2015)which had an MSRP of around $150 for $ 85 k last September. A 45% depreciation after 7 years.
this entire situation is quite distressing.
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I just looked at a Ferrari and asked the AD to give me a fair trade in value for my 2022 SL 63.
my sl63 new was $ 208 k with CCB’s and high end sound system and has1600 miles and of course mint.
the dealer offered me $ 145 k - after getting market info from a number of MB DEALERS who were indicating that they were giving $ 30 k off a new SL ,which in my case would mean $ 178 k for a new car. They concluded that they probably could only ask for around $160 for pre-owned and clearly they are entitled to make a profit, hence $145 k - not unreasonable.
So, 30% deprecation in less than a year - a direct result of the disastrous launch of this SL and creating a mountain of unsold vehicles.
to put this in perspective - I sold my 2016 AMG GTS ( 4/2015)which had an MSRP of around $150 for $ 85 k last September. A 45% depreciation after 7 years.
this entire situation is quite distressing.
my sl63 new was $ 208 k with CCB’s and high end sound system and has1600 miles and of course mint.
the dealer offered me $ 145 k - after getting market info from a number of MB DEALERS who were indicating that they were giving $ 30 k off a new SL ,which in my case would mean $ 178 k for a new car. They concluded that they probably could only ask for around $160 for pre-owned and clearly they are entitled to make a profit, hence $145 k - not unreasonable.
So, 30% deprecation in less than a year - a direct result of the disastrous launch of this SL and creating a mountain of unsold vehicles.
to put this in perspective - I sold my 2016 AMG GTS ( 4/2015)which had an MSRP of around $150 for $ 85 k last September. A 45% depreciation after 7 years.
this entire situation is quite distressing.
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MB has created the perfect depreciation storm.,,,,,,,,,,,,,botched introduction, lack of color options especially for lowly USA clients, feeble attempt at conquest sales while largely ignoring previous actual SL buyers.
I'm a hardcore SL guy that buys and NEVER sells but I suspect I'm a minority. The early buyers that paid MSRP++++ have really taken a hit if they decide to sell. I'm waiting for the SL63e (the 800HP version). There will be an initial feeding frenzy but buyers are limited. I look forward to the dealer telling me how lucky I am that I can even place an order........sure.
Does anyone have comparable depreciation for Porsche???? I suspect it's much lower.
I'm a hardcore SL guy that buys and NEVER sells but I suspect I'm a minority. The early buyers that paid MSRP++++ have really taken a hit if they decide to sell. I'm waiting for the SL63e (the 800HP version). There will be an initial feeding frenzy but buyers are limited. I look forward to the dealer telling me how lucky I am that I can even place an order........sure.
Does anyone have comparable depreciation for Porsche???? I suspect it's much lower.
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Here in Canada I am seeing significant stock build up in the SL63. Many are going for $40k off msrp and will likely go even lower as the summer winds down. I'm predicting $60k off for new units which are leftovers. I wouldn't be surprised to see dealers dumping 2022 MY cars which have just sat for months on end.
It's unfortunate to see that the SL63 sell so poorly.
It's unfortunate to see that the SL63 sell so poorly.
1. The car has seen accelerated sales with the June incentive, there are now 57 on sale.
2. Yes Mercedes botched the launch, but almost more importantly, the dealers botch the configurations of the vehicles...
- Who the hell in their right mind buys a 200k+ car but deosn't get sensible options... Aluminium trim?
- Some options are non retrofitable like the aerodynamics pack, which is a functional option
- y spoke wheels on most models in stock instead of cross spoke
- some cars have grey brake calipers????
- If you consider 3 levels of trim as Loaded, Equipped and Barebones, this is the amount if I recalled.
- Loaded: 2 Vehicules. 1 in red, which is arguably the worst color on the SL and likely requires a wrap so an extra 4k. It was in Oakville and I actually wanted it, but dealer wouldn't go over 30k discount... still on market. 1 hyper loaded (only one on the market with CCB), but it has a RED softtop. You don't do that on your most expensive car. Not to diss red softtops, but it takes a very particular buyer. Good luck finding that buyer on a 260k msrp car
- Equipped: 8 cars I had shortlisted + 5 others with Y spoke. Those are the only ones worth a look at. Better have a decent color. I ended up taking 1 of these, but there was only 1 other with the same spec (matte white, aero dynamic, carbon fiber interior, etc...)
- Barebones: Everything else. Aka, about 67 od the 80 cars. No aero, not carbon fiber or bull**** brown trim... How the hell can you sell this.
4, 2023 are barely hitting the lots. Seems like there's a logistic issue with those too. Honestly, this is the crux of the depreciation storm. Image seeing your last MY car (which arrived 5 months before you and had all issues fixed) sell for 25% off. I'd drop my order unless my spec was crazy
5. Lower spec ones are getting resold at a much higher rate than Equipped ones. I saw 1 Equipped car on sale as a used car and 8 Lower spec-ones. The reason for the Equipped one : "Job offer in Europe", Reasons for the Barebones ones : "Felt like they were missing out...went for a more optioned car..."
Anyways, stay safe out there kids & remember, cars are NOT an asset. They're a toy or an utility. If they're not an asset, depreciation doesn't matter. Buy it if you like it and you like the price. No on ebuys an iPhone thinking in 4 years it'll do so well on the resell market/
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I just bought one for 54k MSRP off + 4k free maintenance. .This car will definitely sell like **** in the next coming months. As someone who research every single one 82 cars on sale in Canada in May, let me speak of my observations
1. The car has seen accelerated sales with the June incentive, there are now 57 on sale.
2. Yes Mercedes botched the launch, but almost more importantly, the dealers botch the configurations of the vehicles...
4, 2023 are barely hitting the lots. Seems like there's a logistic issue with those too. Honestly, this is the crux of the depreciation storm. Image seeing your last MY car (which arrived 5 months before you and had all issues fixed) sell for 25% off. I'd drop my order unless my spec was crazy
5. Lower spec ones are getting resold at a much higher rate than Equipped ones. I saw 1 Equipped car on sale as a used car and 8 Lower spec-ones. The reason for the Equipped one : "Job offer in Europe", Reasons for the Barebones ones : "Felt like they were missing out...went for a more optioned car..."
Anyways, stay safe out there kids & remember, cars are NOT an asset. They're a toy or an utility. If they're not an asset, depreciation doesn't matter. Buy it if you like it and you like the price. No on ebuys an iPhone thinking in 4 years it'll do so well on the resell market/
1. The car has seen accelerated sales with the June incentive, there are now 57 on sale.
2. Yes Mercedes botched the launch, but almost more importantly, the dealers botch the configurations of the vehicles...
- Who the hell in their right mind buys a 200k+ car but deosn't get sensible options... Aluminium trim?
- Some options are non retrofitable like the aerodynamics pack, which is a functional option
- y spoke wheels on most models in stock instead of cross spoke
- some cars have grey brake calipers????
- If you consider 3 levels of trim as Loaded, Equipped and Barebones, this is the amount if I recalled.
- Loaded: 2 Vehicules. 1 in red, which is arguably the worst color on the SL and likely requires a wrap so an extra 4k. It was in Oakville and I actually wanted it, but dealer wouldn't go over 30k discount... still on market. 1 hyper loaded (only one on the market with CCB), but it has a RED softtop. You don't do that on your most expensive car. Not to diss red softtops, but it takes a very particular buyer. Good luck finding that buyer on a 260k msrp car
- Equipped: 8 cars I had shortlisted + 5 others with Y spoke. Those are the only ones worth a look at. Better have a decent color. I ended up taking 1 of these, but there was only 1 other with the same spec (matte white, aero dynamic, carbon fiber interior, etc...)
- Barebones: Everything else. Aka, about 67 od the 80 cars. No aero, not carbon fiber or bull**** brown trim... How the hell can you sell this.
4, 2023 are barely hitting the lots. Seems like there's a logistic issue with those too. Honestly, this is the crux of the depreciation storm. Image seeing your last MY car (which arrived 5 months before you and had all issues fixed) sell for 25% off. I'd drop my order unless my spec was crazy
5. Lower spec ones are getting resold at a much higher rate than Equipped ones. I saw 1 Equipped car on sale as a used car and 8 Lower spec-ones. The reason for the Equipped one : "Job offer in Europe", Reasons for the Barebones ones : "Felt like they were missing out...went for a more optioned car..."
Anyways, stay safe out there kids & remember, cars are NOT an asset. They're a toy or an utility. If they're not an asset, depreciation doesn't matter. Buy it if you like it and you like the price. No on ebuys an iPhone thinking in 4 years it'll do so well on the resell market/
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I just looked at a Ferrari and asked the AD to give me a fair trade in value for my 2022 SL 63.
my sl63 new was $ 208 k with CCB’s and high end sound system and has1600 miles and of course mint.
the dealer offered me $ 145 k - after getting market info from a number of MB DEALERS who were indicating that they were giving $ 30 k off a new SL ,which in my case would mean $ 178 k for a new car. They concluded that they probably could only ask for around $160 for pre-owned and clearly they are entitled to make a profit, hence $145 k - not unreasonable.
So, 30% deprecation in less than a year - a direct result of the disastrous launch of this SL and creating a mountain of unsold vehicles.
to put this in perspective - I sold my 2016 AMG GTS ( 4/2015)which had an MSRP of around $150 for $ 85 k last September. A 45% depreciation after 7 years.
this entire situation is quite distressing.
my sl63 new was $ 208 k with CCB’s and high end sound system and has1600 miles and of course mint.
the dealer offered me $ 145 k - after getting market info from a number of MB DEALERS who were indicating that they were giving $ 30 k off a new SL ,which in my case would mean $ 178 k for a new car. They concluded that they probably could only ask for around $160 for pre-owned and clearly they are entitled to make a profit, hence $145 k - not unreasonable.
So, 30% deprecation in less than a year - a direct result of the disastrous launch of this SL and creating a mountain of unsold vehicles.
to put this in perspective - I sold my 2016 AMG GTS ( 4/2015)which had an MSRP of around $150 for $ 85 k last September. A 45% depreciation after 7 years.
this entire situation is quite distressing.
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BTW - the only way to describe the performance of the SF90 is aww inspiring and outright scary.
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So, in the scheme of things, if the dealer was even remotely hungry, they could have offered you MSRP for your SL and still made a bundle on the transaction.
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Ferrari’s philosophy is directly opposite of what happened with the SL. Getting a Ferrari is quite challenging on the other hand for the most part they hold their value better than any ( other than Porsche GT ) other car.
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MB has created the perfect depreciation storm.,,,,,,,,,,,,,botched introduction, lack of color options especially for lowly USA clients, feeble attempt at conquest sales while largely ignoring previous actual SL buyers.
I'm a hardcore SL guy that buys and NEVER sells but I suspect I'm a minority. The early buyers that paid MSRP++++ have really taken a hit if they decide to sell. I'm waiting for the SL63e (the 800HP version). There will be an initial feeding frenzy but buyers are limited. I look forward to the dealer telling me how lucky I am that I can even place an order........sure.
Does anyone have comparable depreciation for Porsche???? I suspect it's much lower.
I'm a hardcore SL guy that buys and NEVER sells but I suspect I'm a minority. The early buyers that paid MSRP++++ have really taken a hit if they decide to sell. I'm waiting for the SL63e (the 800HP version). There will be an initial feeding frenzy but buyers are limited. I look forward to the dealer telling me how lucky I am that I can even place an order........sure.
Does anyone have comparable depreciation for Porsche???? I suspect it's much lower.
I think the ePerformance version will be useless. The weight gain and complexity will not reflect well in the driving performance or enjoyment. The HP numbers sounds good but I venture out to say that the regular 63 will be as quick as the 63e.
A quick review from Carwow of the S63e and prior GT63s ePerformance confirmed that. The new S is now 5500lbs! I expect the SL getting close 5000 lbs.
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I think the ePerformance version will be useless. The weight gain and complexity will not reflect well in the driving performance or enjoyment. The HP numbers sounds good but I venture out to say that the regular 63 will be as quick as the 63e.
A quick review from Carwow of the S63e and prior GT63s ePerformance confirmed that. The new S is now 5500lbs! I expect the SL getting close 5000 lbs.
A quick review from Carwow of the S63e and prior GT63s ePerformance confirmed that. The new S is now 5500lbs! I expect the SL getting close 5000 lbs.
So although there were high hopes or that it was highly anticipated, we can conclude all 3 E-Performance versions of these cars were a DOA? complete dud?
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I think the ePerformance version will be useless. The weight gain and complexity will not reflect well in the driving performance or enjoyment. The HP numbers sounds good but I venture out to say that the regular 63 will be as quick as the 63e.
A quick review from Carwow of the S63e and prior GT63s ePerformance confirmed that. The new S is now 5500lbs! I expect the SL getting close 5000 lbs.
A quick review from Carwow of the S63e and prior GT63s ePerformance confirmed that. The new S is now 5500lbs! I expect the SL getting close 5000 lbs.
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I just looked at a Ferrari and asked the AD to give me a fair trade in value for my 2022 SL 63.
my sl63 new was $ 208 k with CCB’s and high end sound system and has1600 miles and of course mint.
the dealer offered me $ 145 k - after getting market info from a number of MB DEALERS who were indicating that they were giving $ 30 k off a new SL ,which in my case would mean $ 178 k for a new car. They concluded that they probably could only ask for around $160 for pre-owned and clearly they are entitled to make a profit, hence $145 k - not unreasonable.
So, 30% deprecation in less than a year - a direct result of the disastrous launch of this SL and creating a mountain of unsold vehicles.
to put this in perspective - I sold my 2016 AMG GTS ( 4/2015)which had an MSRP of around $150 for $ 85 k last September. A 45% depreciation after 7 years.
this entire situation is quite distressing.
my sl63 new was $ 208 k with CCB’s and high end sound system and has1600 miles and of course mint.
the dealer offered me $ 145 k - after getting market info from a number of MB DEALERS who were indicating that they were giving $ 30 k off a new SL ,which in my case would mean $ 178 k for a new car. They concluded that they probably could only ask for around $160 for pre-owned and clearly they are entitled to make a profit, hence $145 k - not unreasonable.
So, 30% deprecation in less than a year - a direct result of the disastrous launch of this SL and creating a mountain of unsold vehicles.
to put this in perspective - I sold my 2016 AMG GTS ( 4/2015)which had an MSRP of around $150 for $ 85 k last September. A 45% depreciation after 7 years.
this entire situation is quite distressing.
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Agreed, although I think the E-Performance tech and weight is fine on the S-Class. That car is already big and heavy, and the S-AMG's have always been about power and muscle more so than corner carving. Although most of the reviews for the new S63e have been very favorable.
Given the timing of the S63 intro, it appears that the delay was to give enough time to fine-tune the software. I do agree that the weight isn't a detriment to the S63 but it certainly was to the GT63s ePerformance and will be to the SL and to a lesser extend, the C63s ePerformance.
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The ePerformance (P3 Hybrid) has legal/emissions benefits in Germany, so I understand the rationale for deploying it. But from a pure performance perspective there are too many variables and complexities with the drivetrain to make it a compelling alternative compared to a straight SL63 V8. Just tuning the V8 to 800hp for example would provide a much quicker and more reliable performance car with a lower weight.
Given the timing of the S63 intro, it appears that the delay was to give enough time to fine-tune the software. I do agree that the weight isn't a detriment to the S63 but it certainly was to the GT63s ePerformance and will be to the SL and to a lesser extend, the C63s ePerformance.
Given the timing of the S63 intro, it appears that the delay was to give enough time to fine-tune the software. I do agree that the weight isn't a detriment to the S63 but it certainly was to the GT63s ePerformance and will be to the SL and to a lesser extend, the C63s ePerformance.
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Net, net - for comfort, features, handling on bad roads and overall performance, you can't beat the SL. If you want a spectacular, well handling and true sports car - well that is the GTS.
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I think it’s overpriced. Also, they only brought in the SL63, no SL55, just to be a little extra greedy (to only have the top model available). On top of it, the dealers found interesting ways to add to “market adjustments” to their 2022 showroom models
thus inflating the price even higher, beyond reach… and here we are: Too many 2022’s now sitting on Canadian lots with the 2024 order guides around the corner.
In 2021, the outgoing SL63 model started at $170. What makes this new one worth $45k more? What makes it worth 40k more than a new BMW M8 cabriolet?
I think it’s a beautiful car and I’d like to buy one but the price is just way too high. Maybe an SL55 if they decide to bring it to Canada one day.
thus inflating the price even higher, beyond reach… and here we are: Too many 2022’s now sitting on Canadian lots with the 2024 order guides around the corner.
In 2021, the outgoing SL63 model started at $170. What makes this new one worth $45k more? What makes it worth 40k more than a new BMW M8 cabriolet?
I think it’s a beautiful car and I’d like to buy one but the price is just way too high. Maybe an SL55 if they decide to bring it to Canada one day.
"Canadian dealers of Mercedes-Benz vehicles are reporting that the automaker is considering revising its strategy for North America."
"The dealers attended a market-wide retailers meeting in Vancouver held in May and noted that the automaker was fretting about consumer hesitancy over expensive electric vehicles. Concerns centered around the ailing economy, which has been undermined by higher interest rates and ongoing inflation."
"Dealers also provided a taste of Mercedes' forthcoming lineup. The event showcased eight vehicles, including the redesigned E-Class sedan, AMG SL 43 roadster, and Maybach EQS. The brand likewise introduced the electric CLA sedan and GLC crossover, perhaps indicating that it would be dumping the EQ branding to roll EVs into the core lineup."
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Agreed, although I think the E-Performance tech and weight is fine on the S-Class. That car is already big and heavy, and the S-AMG's have always been about power and muscle more so than corner carving. Although most of the reviews for the new S63e have been very favorable.
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Agreed. RBR and Motoman on YouTube were absolutely floored with the car. Car and Driver also loved it. I find Matt’s reviews on Carwow to be absolutely useless. They all seem extremely scripted, often saying stuff that makes no sense compared to other reviewers, but he has the personality for this type of stuff so it’s not surprising to see such a big following. His S63e video in particular seemed very quick with little effort put into it, kind of like they just glossed over the car and used any and all complaints from the GT63e video and called it a day. Other reviews mentioned how many issues they found in the GT63e drivetrain have been much improved and seem better suited in the S class. Overall, while the C63e and GT63e are duds, I think this S63e is a winner. Although I can’t say that I think it would be a good application in the SL.
I guess you are right, he does do a lot of other reviews well, but this... I mean could be better.
Anyways, you could compare his newest video to the video he did half a year ago when the car was first ever announced: